Trade Talk
Roy’s Trade Talk – Rd 15
We got a harsh reminder last round that depth is vital so I have named up a couple of conservative selections that won’t cost you the farm… or your playing bench cover. Discuss your plans in the comments.
It certainly wasn’t the way we expected to celebrate the end of the byes with big names dropping like flies on Thursday, Friday, oh and Saturday and Sunday! But either way, it was certainly good to have a full list of teams playing, even at the expense of one trade per week.
Trade out?
Dan Butler- Should have been done weeks about, no ability to score.
Toby Nankervis – Another tough match up this week, thanks and goodbye.
Jake Barrett– Had a shocker, but still worth enough to be part of a significant upgrade.
Tom Stewart – Unfortunately injured after really finding his feet lately.
Caleb Marchbank– Contender for ROY, but plenty of value in the backs to upgrade to.
Bargain Cows:
Sean Darcy (RUC, $199,000) BE: 45 – 40 hit outs and an impressive 80.
Alex Witherden (DEF/MID, $225,000) BE: 14 – Looked the best of the Lions kids and got open for plenty of marks.
Big Dawg:
Sam Docherty (DEF, $713,000) So far out of reach for non owners it is ridiculous, but he still needs to be mentioned because he is probably the most important player to own, given he is a defender and has the scoring of an elite premium. He has a five round average of 133 and a three game average of 139 which is nuts. If you can somehow get him without ruining your team by selling the farm, do it.
Steele Sidebottom (MID, $642,000) is officially on fire! He has a five round average of 126 which would have to indicate career best form and the crime here is that only 2% of the competition are enjoying it. He has a great run coming up with games against the Hawks, Bombers, Suns and Eagles where he should continue to rack up.
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Value Premium:
Robbie Gray (FWD, $430,000) is once again great value for a bloke called Robbie Gray! He has finally put a couple of nice games together with scores of 117 and 99 ahead of a game at home against the Tigers. I certainly don’t think this is an indication that he is a shadow of what he has been in the past as he is relying on goals to score but for this price, he is still a good pick.
Bernie Vince (DEF/MID, $408,000) has had a shocking season by his standards, averaging just 77 and dropping $146,000 from his opening price. In the absence of Nathan Jones last week (I might be grasping at straws there) he had his second 100 and highest score of the year with 113 from 27 touches, eight marks and five tackles. He has a break-even of just 56.
DPP:
Sam Menegola (FWD/MID, $523,000) Apart from a blemish in round 13 with 65, Menegola has a low score of 86 for the year while scoring as high as 124 and 133. He scored 124 last week with an awesome game including 22 touches, eight marks, nine tackle and a goal. With Joel Selwood questionable this week, he might need to step up again.
Kobe Stevens (FWD/MID, $517,000) is coming off a great score of 115 where his tackling pressure was phenomenal. He has a five round average of 91 but what I like most is his ability to hit triple figures, doing so in four out of his seven games.
Isaac Heeney (FWD/MID, $550,000) is someone I seen to talk about every week, but given he is only owned by 28% of the competition, it seems I need to keep talking about it. The kid is an absolute superstar with a three round average of 115 and a break even of 75.
As always, use the comment to discuss your trade ideas in the comments, I’m currently:
EVW and Daniel Lloyd
Menegola and Witherden
@RoyDT
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Jag67
June 27, 2017 at 8:54 pm
I’m gonna trade Nank to Gawn.
Do I do it this week as Gawn will most likely out point Nank OR next week as both will lose money (hopefully Gawn more than Nank) and therefore make a savings on the trade?
Deanos Chumps
June 27, 2017 at 9:31 pm
Wait. Gawn will fall more than Nank over next fortnight.
Andy
June 27, 2017 at 9:42 pm
I want to get rid of Nank, but getting rid of Barrett for Trelaor is a bigger priority. I currently have Nank in the forwards so some juggling next week will be required.
Daniel
June 28, 2017 at 10:38 am
It won’t matter, Nank will still lose cash, and if you do the maths it’ll only save you around 10k. If you trade him to Gawn now, you’ll get more points.
Simon
June 28, 2017 at 8:13 am
Nank should be good for about 60… Gawn could go 110+. So if you’d rather give up points than dosh, then wait. Otherwise pull the trigger amigo!
MadiNateRDT
June 28, 2017 at 10:48 am
Don’t do it this week! BE is like 150 for Gawny and he’s sore. Wait one more week, and if you can’t, trade out Nank to the forward line and grab someone cheap.
Beauy
June 27, 2017 at 9:22 pm
Trade stable money injured Beams & Stewart or trade losing money players Nank & Barrett?
Deanos Chumps
June 27, 2017 at 9:30 pm
If you have or want to trade losing players in the next few weeks anyway then do it now to preserve their price. Injured players buys you time with these
David C
June 28, 2017 at 7:35 am
Leaving Beams on the bench equals leaving a lot of coin on the bench. Trade injured premo’s, injured rooks not so much.
Will
June 28, 2017 at 8:55 am
yeah, im trading marchbank ahead of stewart for this reason, MB will be worth less next week but stewart will hold price. Beams however represents a 120 score sitting on the bench, better off sideways trading to a premo that will play on field for a almost guaranteed ton
Deanos Chumps
June 27, 2017 at 9:35 pm
Is noone else worried that Menegola’s scores have been a touch lower since Scooter stole his centre stoppage time? Big score this week only because J Selwood on the pine. Im thinking hes a 90-95, not a 95-100 player for the remainder.
chief007
June 27, 2017 at 10:03 pm
had 92, 99, 86 and 65 against the eagles but scooter was off in the 2nd half, is a bit up in the air as to what he will average is prob worth the punt as he is a good forward pod
Simon
June 28, 2017 at 8:15 am
Can’t afford not to have someone that pumps out 100s in the forward line. I put him on par with Heeney… they’ll have good days and bad
Name (required)
June 27, 2017 at 9:40 pm
1) Beams and Barrett –> Jake Lloyd and Menegola
or
2) Beams and Barrett/Tom Stewart –> Jake Lloyd and Witherden
Cheers
chief007
June 27, 2017 at 9:58 pm
1st for points 2nd for cash generations whatever u think you need to sort out your side is the best option
MadiNateRDT
June 28, 2017 at 11:11 am
I guess the obvious answer here is to make sure you get the best side possible. Figure out whether Witherden is someone that’ll be a good stepping stone. Otherwise, Menegola is worth getting in and upgrading to an uber-premium in 4 weeks’ time.
Ezza
June 27, 2017 at 11:17 pm
Yeo or toby green?
SOgnenis
June 28, 2017 at 1:24 am
Both top 6 most likely – Yeo is best in class.
Jay
June 28, 2017 at 5:41 am
In what order should I look to be trading out is week
Marchbank – on field
Stewart – 2nd bench
Nank – on field
Butler – 1st bench
Troy
June 28, 2017 at 8:40 am
Marchbank to Vince
Barrett to Sheed/Menegola/McCrae
Pending Ablett being back this week.
MadiNateRDT
June 28, 2017 at 11:11 am
He’s still in doubt mate!
TJP's Heroes
June 28, 2017 at 8:55 am
Top 6 forwards???
Trent
June 28, 2017 at 10:11 am
1. Yeo
2. Heeney
3. Macrae
4. Menegola
5. Buddy
6. Greene/ Riewoldt/Smith/Hill/Stevens
Ash
June 28, 2017 at 4:31 pm
Would argue a clear top 4:
1. Yeo
2. Heeney
3. Macrae
4. Greene
Then in my book it would be:
5. Menegola
6. Billings
But you could make a good case for any of Buddy/Stevens/Riewoldt/Smith/Hill for 5th or 6th I think
Simon
June 28, 2017 at 10:23 am
Jeppa’s never coming back, is he…?
Plugger
June 28, 2017 at 1:07 pm
I expect Newton’s 3rd Law will resolve the situation.
With apologies for any stretching in the analogy, complete attention to the junior at home will at some point reach a point of tension that will have Jeppa’s attention bounce back to the juniors on the hallowed turf once again . . .
. . . out of necessity.
(no cynicism implied – just Newton’s 3rd law at work!)
Simon
June 28, 2017 at 2:05 pm
Hope you’re right because if he doesn’t come back I’ll be led to think there’s something wrong with the vibes I’m sending. I hope he doesn’t take them the wrong way… that handsome devil!
Simon
June 29, 2017 at 9:57 am
Yay!!
TJP's Heroes
June 28, 2017 at 11:13 am
Lance franklin/ nick Riewoldt &a Bernie vince/Jason johannisen
Or
Robbie gray / Michael Hibberd or any defender under $490k
Cheers for any help
Mic
June 28, 2017 at 11:40 am
Backs – rory laird, kade simpson, zach tuohy, nic newman, Andrew mcgrath, luke ryan, mitchell hibberd, tim mohr
Mids – tom mitchell, tom rockliff, andrew gaff, matt crouch, marc murphy, dyson heppell, jobe watson, declan mountford, josh deluca, nathan freeman
Rucks – todd goldstein, ben mcevoy, mitchell king, lewis pierce
Forwards – elliot yeo, isaac heeney, lance franklin, hugh greenwood, jono beech, nick riewoldt, jarrod pickett, darcy cameron
I need a bit of help with two trades this week. I have 53 k in the bank . Help really appreciated
Nicko
June 28, 2017 at 12:06 pm
Billings or heeney?
Plugger (a Saint/Swan)
June 28, 2017 at 1:19 pm
. . . in my team I have Heeney!
Toby
June 28, 2017 at 12:27 pm
Walters, Gray or Vince? I feel like vince won’t score as well as the other 2 and Walters is probably a bit risky, so leaning towards gray.
Plugger
June 28, 2017 at 1:38 pm
You could get a better price rise from Vince and Gray (than Walters) if they steady the ship with their scores. Vince probably has the benefit of having more midfield time over the next month with Jones out (arguably the main reason for his ton score last week). You would expect him to score better over that time given an adjusted role. Robby Gray seems to have his mojo back, but with his score relying on sausage rolls conjured while on forward duty, there is a caveat on ‘ton’ scores. I happily have Gray (from a trade a month ago) but not Vince, but if I had neither I think that in looking to the next four weeks, I would favour Vince who, as the mouse (up to this point in the season), has the advantage of being able to play while the cat is away.
As for Walters, he doesn’t seem to quite provide the same opportunities.
TJP's Heroes
June 28, 2017 at 12:33 pm
Who is the best forward to get for $490k or less??
Thinking honestly only between travis boak and Robbie gray
Anyone else have any opinions ?
Thanks
HeathShawsShankedRedemption
June 28, 2017 at 1:36 pm
I prefer Papley and Elliott (if back in) over both of those. Hit good scores and are cheaper.
Plugger
June 28, 2017 at 1:53 pm
Robbie Gray, yes, but don’t expect reliability in his high scores unless he gets more points from midfield time in proportion to sausage rolls from forward time.
Boak, due to his last 5 average of 76, probably, no.
Do you have exactly 490k available? If you had 492k you could consider Dahlhaus?
Or, on the budget side, if Elliot is available this week, you might look at him @435k, last 5 average of 91 and a BE of 52.
TJP's Heroes
June 28, 2017 at 1:14 pm
Top 6 defenders??
Simon
June 28, 2017 at 2:08 pm
Docherty, Daylight, Adams, Daylight, umm… Laird / Roberton / Lloyd / Montagna / Houli / Newnes.
Speculative pick: Harbrow
SOgnenis
June 28, 2017 at 3:28 pm
Agreed.
Doch and Adams clearly.
Probably Roberton, Lloyd, Laird and Newnes as final 4.
But many will be similar scorers, Doch/Adams are really the only ones who pump out the occasional 130+ score and are potential captainable.
HeathShawsShankedRedemption
June 28, 2017 at 1:35 pm
Have some important league matchups starting next week (easy win this week) – not much cash and need to get rid of underperformers… How is this trade for a hail mary?
Heppell & McGrath out for Hunter & Henderson
Both PODs and if hitting good scores will be very valuable in matchups, otherwise I can do same old rookie downgrade and bring in same players as opponents like Lloyd, Tuohy etc
Plugger
June 28, 2017 at 2:06 pm
Hail Mary’s are difficult to reasonably comment on. But the trades are not completely in that category, I think.
Hunter looks like he is regaining form and is very underpriced. Good BE
Henderson is under-rated and has form as good as Lloyd (as you already appreciate). Again, good BE
Offloading Heppell and McGrath for those two is a clear gain, imo. The Hail Mary is from just the unexpected selection (from giving priority to PODs), not so much from throwing all your chips prayerfully into the air!
Simon
June 28, 2017 at 2:10 pm
Do that and at some point in the future you’ll want to come back and kick current HeathShawsShankedRedemption in the nuts… sort of like most of us want to do with current HeathShaw.
Plugger
June 28, 2017 at 2:48 pm
I know little of HeathShawsShankedRedemption’s posting history, but I held off from grabbing Heath Shaw’s nuts . . . though nothing to do with homophobia.
If I were in possession of them, however, I would have a beer in hand and be listening to Tchaikovsky’s Opus 71a, which is relevantly and well named colloquially (the ‘Nutcracker’ Suite or was it ‘sweet’), and preparing for the finale.
PowerAde
June 28, 2017 at 5:51 pm
hehe, you said nuts
HeathShawsShankedRedemption
June 28, 2017 at 5:21 pm
I don’t even own Heater, but I love how relevant my name has become
Simon
June 29, 2017 at 9:58 am
Your name’s almost as awesome as your beard… damn that’s impressive!
John
June 28, 2017 at 2:08 pm
Jpk, whitfield, wines or Hanners
Simon
June 28, 2017 at 2:11 pm
Bang for buck: Whitfield / Wines –> JPK –> Hanners
Scoring potential: Hanners / JPK –> Wines –> Whitfield
Just depends what you’re looking for really.
alex
June 28, 2017 at 2:09 pm
Rank these in order: sheed, yeo, greene, buddy, menengola, riewoldt
SOgnenis
June 28, 2017 at 3:30 pm
Yeo – 105+ from here on out
Menegola, Greene 95
Franklin 90-95
Sheed 80-90
Riewoldt 70-110 and may get injured. Easily the most up and down, but the only one who could challenge Yeo IMO.
russdog
June 28, 2017 at 2:11 pm
lads, thoughts on seb ross v JPK v Pendles
Simon
June 28, 2017 at 2:40 pm
Ross should be blushing that he’s even part of the conversation.
Pendles
Haydos
June 28, 2017 at 2:38 pm
1) Salem – Adams and Stewart – Vince
2) Salem – Adams and Stewart – Witherden + $$
3) Salem – Lloyd and Stewart – Tuhoy
Thoughts
SOgnenis
June 28, 2017 at 3:31 pm
3 is nice as it gets you two premium defenders. If you think Tuohy will be top 6-10 defender then definitely 3.
Otherwise go option 2 and use the $$ to get those top players.
Brad
June 28, 2017 at 3:38 pm
Gents, after some pearls of wisdom.
Only rooks i have on field at this stage are greenwood witherden and newman. 1 trade left.
Newman to doc
Sloane to doc via dpp (or any other mid)
Shuey to anyone
Cash grab for a rook….
Simon
June 28, 2017 at 3:46 pm
I don’t think it’s possible to help someone who’s top 3 trade out priorities are 3 guys I’d consider keepers… you’re clearly playing this at a higher level than me. I don’t ask 3-year-olds in the sandpit what kind of nail gun I should buy!
Brad
June 28, 2017 at 3:53 pm
Ima use that analogy haha. I dunno if newmans time is up. Sloane has been a bit up and down and greenwood is only just in. Other option is dahlhouse out…
Simon
June 28, 2017 at 4:15 pm
Can you do anything else down back to get Witherden on your bench? I’d be nervous fielding him. Maybe DPPing Sloane is the answer if he’s the worst-performing MID you’ve got. Average-wise, Sloane’s 17th highest this year so he’s pulling his weight (depending on what you bought him for… hopefully not $720k!).
Dahl’s a hold for me despite his run of dodgy scores. He did the same thing at the start of the year and then got a run of great scores. For his price, you’ll hardly do better.
Brad
June 28, 2017 at 5:21 pm
Yea got him during the byes…. dahl is prob a hold for me too, just really lookin to bring doc in this week or next
HeathShawsShankedRedemption
June 28, 2017 at 5:33 pm
If I was in your position… I’d probably go Sloane to Doc. Just for the sake of peace of mind, as I’m sure you know – owning Sloane is an absolute nightmare and I am fretting his score this weekend (enter Ed Curnow…)
Abel
June 28, 2017 at 3:44 pm
If you had to choose 1 of seb ross/JPK/Wines or would you wait to get uber premo or get yeo & move to the mids
Simon
June 28, 2017 at 3:47 pm
I don’t really understand your question but I will say is I wouldn’t touch Ross. His scores are okay, but so are 50 other guys who are cheaper.
Abel
June 28, 2017 at 3:49 pm
my question is there is 3 options, 1. choosing one of those 3, 2. waiting a week and getting an uber premo or 3. get yeo, swing him to fwd next week or two and get a different mid
Brad
June 28, 2017 at 3:55 pm
Yeos price wont change much, purely a points game then. Depends if ur going for a weekly game or overall rank i reckon
MP
June 28, 2017 at 3:52 pm
Good idea to get rid of Clayton Oliver for any Midfielder?
Suggestions
knickers
June 28, 2017 at 4:52 pm
I’m backing Clayton to fire up following his little moment. With Gawn jamming the ball down his throat. He will raise his average.
knickers
June 28, 2017 at 4:56 pm
On a different subject. A little off topic. The AFL have appealed Houli’s 2 week suspension. I say if they fail in their appeal, they should have to eat humble pie. For 2 weeks instead of 1, and incur a 75pt carry over.
PowerAde
June 28, 2017 at 5:46 pm
haha, laughable isn’t it?
its like kochie complaining to broadcast commission on something he saw on today tonight
Grovers Guns
June 28, 2017 at 5:34 pm
Whats with all the hype about Witherden as a rookie?
I haven’t seen him play so genuinely asking.
For $40k less you can get Cox who is improving each time and has basically locked down his position as a roaming flanker
Jimmay
June 28, 2017 at 6:20 pm
Will johannisen become fantasy relevant again. Few tags few low scores. Low price. Ave 95 last year….
Steele
June 28, 2017 at 7:35 pm
Beams to who?
Already have:
Danger, Rocky, Mitchell, JPK, Fyfe, Scooter
Who to get out of:
Pendles, Merrett (surely?!), Sidey, Gibbs, Martin, Treloar
Mic
June 28, 2017 at 8:09 pm
Sidey numbers are outstanding
Gus
June 28, 2017 at 9:29 pm
Hey Guys,
If Ablett is out this week, whorls trading hin to Grundy be suitable.
I could then go Nankervis to Newnes.
Andy
June 28, 2017 at 10:46 pm
It seems that Ablett will play. Selwood (J) is the one who will probably miss.
Liam
June 28, 2017 at 10:18 pm
DEF: Doc, Adams, Laird, Newnes, Lloyd, Newman (Stewart, Ryan)
MID: T.Mitchell, Merrett, Danger, Zorko, Kelly, Treloar, JPK, Murphy (Mountford, Cousins)
RUC: Grundy, Martin (Buzza, Cameron)
FWD: Yeo, Greene, Heeney, Macrae, Menegola, Greenwood (Parsons, Beech)
60k in bank, Any ideas? cheers
Bwolf
June 29, 2017 at 12:08 am
Time for a double downgrade I would go
Kelly to rocky and Stewart to Brisbane rook but your team looks awesome!! I’m the one that needs your advice haha
Liam
June 29, 2017 at 1:03 am
cheers bud aha, i like kelly as a top mid so im going murph to rocky in a couple weeks, this week stewart to witherden, and parsons to deluca
Bwolf
June 28, 2017 at 11:58 pm
Simpson laird newnes Lloyd Newman marchbank
Stewart cox
Titch danger treloar Adams hanners jpk sloan Fyfe
D.Lloyd cousins
Kreuzer Ryder
Soldo Cameron
Yeo macrea franklin dalhous Barrett greenwood
Hannan beech
Any ideas on trades guys thinking marchbank to mountford via Adams and Barrett to Merrett via Lloyd but it leaves me with no $$ and really want rocky next week and Gawn eventually
Alan
June 29, 2017 at 8:46 am
Best option from S.Menegola, J.Lloyd, N.Riewoldt??
All around the same price, all around the same average.. Riewoldt can go HUGE, Lloyd is SUPER consistent and Menegola is almost elite WHEN he gets midfield time..
Simon
June 29, 2017 at 9:59 am
I like Lloyd… head knocks aside, scores of 95+ seem inevitable
Abel
June 29, 2017 at 10:33 am
Boys, thoughts on best 2 POD’s (under 10% ownership) in each position except ruck?
Liam
June 29, 2017 at 11:35 am
Need help with trades this week. Have 120k in the bank!
Suggestions welcome.
Nank-Gray and Scharenberg- Vince
What do yous think??
Doch, Laird, Shaw, Adams, Newman Scharenberg,(Witherden,Ryan)
Rocky,Danger,Merrett,Tmich,Ablett,Hanners,JPK, Scooter( Myers, Lloyd)
Martin, Jacobs( King, Cameron)
Macrae, Buddy, Volt, Nank,Greenwood, Barrett(JKH, Beech)
George Templeton
June 29, 2017 at 11:36 am
I have 3 injured players, Taranto, Picken, Lynch. I could still field a full team even with them in my side so should I use the 300K in the bank on upgrading 2 of 3 or should I upgrade 1 and trade out Nankervis per the suggestion above. And out of the 3 which ones should I upgrade?
Loz
June 29, 2017 at 11:53 am
Barlow to:
1. Yeo
2. Macrae
3. Greene
4. Menegola
5. Sheed
MP
June 29, 2017 at 6:37 pm
Clayton Oliver is in the forward, keep him or get any other midfielder
Corey McCaw
June 29, 2017 at 11:58 pm
Hi guys
2 options I’m considering
Out – Beams and Kolodjashni
In – Sidebottom and Vince with $2K for next week.
Or
In – T Mitchell and Witherden with $100K for next week.