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Tbetta’s Bullets: Round 13

After two weeks rest, I’m back with the Bullets. A heap to get through inside, so I can’t divulge it all here – so get in and let us know what you think about all the issues coming out of Round 13!

 

  • No Thanks, I’m Full.

Firstly, just some housekeeping things to get out of the way. A big thank you to Griff, who piloted this segment for Rounds 11 and 12, and did a fantastic job.  Couldn’t have failed three exams without you! Also, thanks to Andrew Demetriou and his team of ‘masterminds’ who, ultimately, delivered the least enjoyable three rounds of DreamTeam I’ve ever experienced.

At least the footy was captivating this weekend. We were gifted a highly skilful and tactical arm-wrestle between two heavyweights in the Pies and Eagles, not to mention a fitting finish to the game. Geelong’s comeback against the Swans was equally as intriguing, so to the upsets delivered by the Lions and Roos. As always, these results largely dictated the production of our fantasy players, and we saw one of the more ton-less weeks in DT to date.

The real story of the week was, unsurprisingly, the donuts. Our back and forward lines sustained huge hits, mainly due to our Carlton, Richmond and Hawthorn players having the week off. Only 3 defenders topped the ton this week, which is where we copped most of our grief. I’d rather not dwell on these last three weeks however, so let’s take a look at Round 13 with a big-picture mentality in this week’s edition of the Bullets.

 

  • Mid-year Review

Each season, I find it therapeutic to take a step back mid-year to review some of the decisions made in the pre-season. Did I make the right calls structurally? Did my 50-50s pay off? Has my trading strategy been effective? Answering these questions help make you better decisions for the remainder of the season. I’ve had to make a lot of adjustments this season, as we all have. This week, I’m going to look at the head-to-head calls and see whether we made the right call.

The Bulldogs were playing a possession-happy brand of footy this pre-season, and these two veterans down back were the primary beneficiaries. With many coaches wanting one or the other due to bye and mid-priced concerns, you probably ended up with just one, if that. Lake had a shocker to start the season, but has been productive since. Hargrave was the opposite – started with a bang but has dropped off remarkably since then, posting just 162 points in the last 5 games that the Bulldogs have played.

Verdict: Lake.

Lesson: Cash in unreliable mid-pricers at their peak. Both have dropped about $40k off their highest price.

 

Here we have two under-priced former premium mids, both coming off leg injuries. When selecting a player in this awkward price-range, you’re looking for a keeper that you pay unders for. Hayes was looking good to start the year, going at 105 a game after Round 6, but he has slowed considerably since then, not topping the ton once. Again, Barlow is the complete opposite. He started lukewarmly, but has notched 5 straight tons. Price-wise, Barlow has an extra $44k on Lenny.

Verdict: Barlow. He’s the keeper of the two at this stage.

Lesson: Broken legs take time to heal, but ball-magnets will always be ball-magnets.

 

The two premier ruckmen of the competition coming into 2012. Cox was pricier ($532k) than Sandi ($470k), who was slightly under-priced due to last year’s toe issues. This one’s pretty clear cut – Cox has shed just over $80k due to averaging 10 points less than 2011, but unlike most of the ruckmen this season, he’s played every game. Sandi just couldn’t keep fit, despite dominating with 101 per game when he got out there.

Verdict: Cox.

Lesson: It’s hard to stay fit when you weigh 140kg, and turf toe is a little more serious than we thought.

 

The Steele Beam – the new-age DPP combo. Beams was much pricier pre-season and was ruled out of Round 1, but had more runs on the board than Sidey. Who was the right pick? Average-wise, Beams edges out Sidey 112 to 109. But Sidebottom has played that extra game, and has shot up $70k to Beams’ $30k this season.

Verdict: Sidebottom. The smart play was to take the cheaper Sidey and get Beams in once his price dropped, where it got down to $470k at one point.

Lesson: Overpriced players always drop in price, no matter how awesome they are.

 

I personally went back and forth on this one all pre-season! Swan was only $22k more expensive, but it felt like 100, I swear. There were different thought processes throughout the DT community – Swan will drop in price, Pendlebury has more improvement left…. Or, Swan is a gun, Pendles will get the tag… In the end, both sustained injuries and have each missed 2 games so far. So who was the right guy to back in?

Verdict: Swan. Has averaged a heap more than Pendles and was fit over the MBRs, whereas Pendles was out without cover.

Lesson: Luck plays a huge part in DT, get used to it.

 

  • Bye-bye Future

With the AFL confirming two MBR blocks next year, moulding the fantasy landscape has been thrown into the limelight yet again. To me, this is like running up to Nathan Brown after he horribly snapped his leg and swiftly breaking the other one. It’s twice the pain, and given that we barely survived the bleakness and irrelevance of this year’s MBR period, something has to change.

For me, it has always been one of two options. Some coaches have suggested Temporary Trades (too gimmicky), Last 5 Average (too easily affected by injury or an outlier) and even Unlimited Trades (yuck). None of those are sustainable solutions, and that is a must with the AFL likely to continue with this bye format for the foreseeable future. These are the two options that I’d be happy with going into 2013:

 1.       Extended Benches – More Trades

The last time we had an issue with Byes, we went with three extra players on the bench and a few extra trades to play with. Why can’t we roll with that next season? Give us squads of 33, a few extra trades, and possibly even raise the magic number a little. This year, most well-structured teams had 8-12 donuts. The extra 3 bench players basically take care of that, provided you place a higher importance on job security. The extra trades would help account for injuries over the extra bye period, where a week off is equivalent to a donut.

Some coaches think that this will lead to an easier competition, and ‘finishing’ your squad will be much simpler, which was the criticism with how 2011 panned out. I disagree. We don’t have any more expansion clubs coming into the competition (that I know about), which cuts off about half the rookie stocks we’ve become unhealthily accustomed to over the last two seasons. Put it this way: of the 10 biggest price-risers of rookie-priced players so far this season, only Zorko, Magner, Dickson and Horsley weren’t from GWS. Our cash-cows will be few and far between, and you can bet that generating the cash to field a ‘finished’ squad will be far from a cakewalk.       

2. Reduced Field over MBRs

The other proposal, which was my preferred solution for this season, is to reduce the scoring players over the bye rounds. I’m talking a 6-5-1-6 positional structure (5-4-1-5 is probably overkill). It would ensure that coaches still plan for the MBR’s, both structurally and trades-wise, without altering the game we all love and know too much. This format has some merit, too. Virtual Sports make a decided effort to ensure that DT is as comparable to the real thing as possible – with some of the players having a bye in the AFL, why shouldn’t some of ours?

As with every solution, there are issues to be worked through. VS stated during the last off-season that this particular format would be incredibly hard to code. But compared to the horror of this season, something has to be done, and without looking too far out of the box and changing things dramatically, these seem to be the most viable solutions.

What do you think? How should we attack the MBRs as a community in 2013? Let me know in the comments!

 

  • Makers and Breakers

I’m going to put myself on the record here and say that Rockliff is going to average 120 over the remainder of the season. I have utmost confidence in him, not because he scored 141 this week, but the way he got there. We saw the old Rocky – the multi-faceted midfielder who averaged 112 last season, but a huge 121 from Round 13 onwards – trotting around Etihad Stadium this week. Maybe Voss altered his role, or maybe he his running patterns finally paid dividends, or maybe it all just clicked for him – but Rocky’s back. He knew precisesly when to head down back and ice the footy with +6 combos (in eerie Swan-like fashion), and he knew how to push forward and use his uncanny strength and transcendent football IQ to apply scoreboard pressure. At $448k, he’s a steal.

Brisbane’s surprise demolition of the Bulldogs in the midst of a tight round in the AFL means that three of Rocky’s teammates follow him in the Makers. Hanley (134) bounced back from his poor effort last week and ended up topping it by a clean 100 points. I’m not sure that Mark Neeld will permit him as much space next week, so beware. Zorko continued his incredible debut season, scoring 120 points in a fashion that has you wondering how it took this long for him to get an AFL gig… Not to be forgotten, Redden scored 125 points with a powerful mix of uncontested and contested football, deadly disposal efficiency and fierce tackling. Like Rockliff, he is set for a red hot end to the season – and he’s already averaging 116 since Round 6.

Waters’ uncompromising playing style forced him into an extra weeks break in Round 12, then contributed largely to the 126 points he gathered in his return game. Beau had 16 marks, many of them backing into packs or under incredible pressure due to the high ball. When your DT player puts his body on the line for you like that, it’s hard to begrudge him a risky bump or two every now and then.

 

Fitting the number of disappointing efforts in the Breakers seems to be so much harder over the MBRs. Why should our expectations of our bench players be greater for 3 rounds of the season? For them, it’s just another game. But for us, it’s the perfect time for them to hit a hot streak. Unfortunately, Marty Clarke did the complete opposite, scoring 36 at the weekend following his 44 in Round 11. More on what to do with him soon.

Boyd finds himself at 2nd on another list the week, after scoring just 70 points at a legitimate Captain option. Raines, one of the premier taggers in the competition (only Crowley and Clinton Jones are in his company) headed to Griffen, leaving Boyd without the hard-tag. He just failed to capitalise.

Two indigenous DPPs, Goodes and Johnson, had shockers this week. While untimely, both are excusable – it was Goodes’ return game from the first sustained injury of his decorated career, while this is just the third time that Johnson has scored under 80 this season. Expect both to bounce back in Round 14.

Sam Shaw had just 21 points this week, which is probably more than we could have hoped for. He had an astonishing zero points to half time (one FA and a kick) and looked to be in the box seat for the red vest, until Kurt Tippett pulled up lame before Shaw could be pulled out. Luckily, he can familiarise himself with the D8 or D9 slot for many of our sides now that the MBRs are done and dusted.

  • Keep or not?

As much as we hate the MBRs, they’re kind of like a cocoon. We crawl into them as mere caterpillars, with mid-pricers and dodgy rookies littered throughout our team. Then, it’s kind of nice to see a glorious butterfly emerge out the other side, thanks to three weeks in hibernation with 9 possible trades as nutrition. The obvious question now is, who are the keepers? Let’s examine the guys warming our final on-field slots and find out.

Ryan Hargrave

As I mentioned earlier, Hargrievous’ form has decayed heavily. He was averaging a healthy 89 after Round 7, but has scored 56, 64, 42, a Late Withdrawal and a DNP since. He’s obviously battling some kind of ailment; possibly old age? The optimistic school of thought is that he’s had three weeks off on the trot now, surely he’ll slot back in nice and healthy? Call me a pessimist, but I’m not convinced. Hargrave’s cooked.

Verdict: Upgrade before he leaks any more cash, or hold as bench cover.

Marty Clarke

The Irishman has been a solid D6/D7 all year, normally good for 65 a game. He’s coming off the two worst scores of the season though, 44 and 36. I’m not sure whether it’s just an aberration or a trend, though. Clarke did seem to play much more across the halfback line than his customary winger role, despite lining up on Gaff to start the match…

Verdict: Line ball. I’m going to back him in for my D7 slot, mainly due to his low price and the amount of cash it would take to upgrade him to anyone decent.

Jon Giles

The Twitterverse has been going mad with this same question – can we continue to rely on Giles to prop up our ruck division? History, common-sense and form all say no. Zac Smith, the best historical comparison for Giles we have, slowed considerably after this same point in the season. He averaged 80.3 up until Round 14, then just 63.4 points afterwards. I can definitely see Giles going through the same phenomenon, especially if Brogan remains in the side.

Verdict: Upgrade if you have the trades. Maric and Griffin look particularly enticing.

Dayne Zorko

The dynamic mature-ager has burst onto the scene, with a five-round average of 110.4 the catalyst for some unprecedented price-rises. His outburst is shades of Mzungu circa 2011, a likely mature-ager who was held back by injury until mid-year. If you remember correctly, Mzungu was pretty handy as a F7 last year, and Zorko should be no different.

Verdict: Keeper written all over him!

Dustin Martin

It’s a bit ridiculous that people have itchy trigger fingers where Dusty is concerned. He’s been solid this year without ever dominating, and he’s more the victim of juxtaposition to a school of rampant forwards surrounding him. When it’s all said and done, 84 points per game is more than handy from someone who could end up being your F7.

Verdict: Keeper. I’d play Zorko over him in his current form, but you’ll need a decent Mid/Fwd to cover injuries over those positions for the next 10 weeks, and Dusty is a luxury as a back-up if you can use him like that.

Quick Comments:

Lake: Keeper. Going at a good click at the moment.

Ellis: Bench cover, unless you can turn him into Carrazzo.

Morris: See above.

Conca: Line ball. Role change has seen a scoring dip, but I feel better rolling the dice with him than Clarke or Hargrave at the moment.

Magner, Horsley, Shiel, McDonald: All either Cash Cows or bench cover. You can’t compromise on that M6 slot heading forward.

Kreuzer: Luxury trade. He’s not in any immediate danger of leaking cash, but he’s not setting the world alight either. I’d rather attack the home stretch with him than Giles, though.

Porplyzia: Not scoring enough to hang around as a F7 at the moment. Turn him into Beams or Chapman if you can; otherwise, he’s bench cover.

Treloar: A poor man’s Dustin Martin. Perfect guy to have as Mid/Fwd insurance.

 

  • Tbetta’s Tweets

I don’t think the shoulder is any concern to be honest. He showed no signs of pain or tentativeness against the Eagles in Round 12, a dewy arm-wrestle too. If you take out the match he injured his AC joint, then he’s posted 106, 98, 90 and 118 this season. Carrots is good to go!

 

Great question. Upgrading Redden/Orren enables Giles to sit there as your 3rd ruckman, to cover any injuries… It’s elegant, but probably a waste of $120k, which is the extra dough you’d have to find to upgrade Stephenson instead of Giles. At the end of the day, if you get an injury to one of our rucks, you’re probably better off having Redden cover or sideways trading them out if it’s a serious issue.

 

You’ve implied here that Maric is also a must-have ruckman, and you’re spot on. There’s no stopping the mulleted monster, who is the only ruckman to average the ton in 2012.

Three guys come to mind when you’re thinking of whom to partner him with. Cox’s price has dropped enough that you’re not paying overs for him anymore, and he’s probably the most reliable guy. If you want to save $20k, Goldstein is always a great option as long as H-Mac is on the sidelines, as he’s averaged 108 in the last month. Is it worth the risk that he’ll start pumping out 60’s once McIntosh returns, though? Lastly, Griffin is an excellent option in a value sense. He’s actually cheaper than Giles, but you can be sure he’ll average 80+ for as long as Sandi remains on the sidelines.

 

  • Round 14

It’s an amazing feeling, subbing all of your premium players onto the ground and seeing a half-decent projected score smiling at you. Compared to the past three weeks, we have markedly less to stress about this week. For many, it’s whether to get Carrazzo in now or next week, whether to cash in Giles or not, and which Gun they should crown ‘Captain’ heading into Round 14. Things are simple, and I like it.

Well, that it’s from me for this week. Again, a big thank you to the DT Talk boys who gave me a much-needed two week break, and Griff for stepping in with the Grenades. I’ll sign off with a meme – I swear I examined this for about 35 seconds before I figured it out…

 

Good luck!

 

 

 

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265 Comments

265 Comments

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    Pettiger

    June 25, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    Excellent as always Tbetta, and much missed.

    Boyd was the big disappointment of the round – the big C is back on Gazza this week.

    I have post-bye rage traded and gone Giles>Maric as Giles is going to bleed cash over the next couple of weeks.

    Need one more backman – probably Carrots in 2 weeks if he maintains his scores and when he bottoms out in price.

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    esuba77

    June 25, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    what to do with priddis?

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      Pettiger

      June 25, 2012 at 2:53 pm

      If you have the cash and trades upgrade – if not hold tight and hope for some improved scores.

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      esuba77

      June 25, 2012 at 2:58 pm

      7 trades but no cash,might wait on pendles and hope priddis dont bleed money

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      Ingoes

      June 25, 2012 at 5:11 pm

      How long have you owned him?

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      Albert Lloyd

      June 25, 2012 at 7:01 pm

      lol, did you just get him in?

      A few weeks ago I was all like, ‘What’s with all the Priddis love at the moment?’

      And this is exactly why.

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      RJforBrownlow

      June 25, 2012 at 8:04 pm

      I have him as my M7 and I am happy enough with him, he is allowing me to hold onto Pendles through injury and I really don’t think getting 90ish scores from someone I paid 380k for is the worst thing in the world..

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    thedavemiester

    June 25, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    Re Hanley- “I’m not sure that Brenton Sanderson will permit him as much space next week, so beware.”

    Aren’t the Lions playing the Dees? If so…. I expect he’ll rack up quite a few!

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      tbetta

      June 25, 2012 at 2:57 pm

      Edited – Can’t even read a fixture properly… Cheers!

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      the big cheese

      June 25, 2012 at 3:00 pm

      you are correct

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    thedavemiester

    June 25, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Also, while we’re on the topic of role changes….anyone have the balls to pick up Jared Rivers? If he is playing up forward surely he’s going to raise his average into something a bit more attractive than his standard role in defence.

    Merret is in the same boat. A bloke who is in my league has picked the big (thinning) sauce year after year much to our amusement, but this year he is actually doing something.

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    Matt

    June 25, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    Good to see four lions in the makers list. Great win by the boys before the club’s first ever Hall of Fame night. Zorko has been flying the last couple of weeks. I’m sure the suns regret not picking him up ( ill discipline was the stated reason I think). Was easily the Lions best in our match against the Hawks last week and has backed it up with another noteworthy performance.

    Lake played fairly well, but had a knee injury which he seemed to battle with throughout the match. He missed quite a bit of the third quarter and looked a little bit slower chasing brown around for the rest of the match.

    Boyd was, in my humble opinion, terrible. Just didn’t look right. He wouldn’t go in aand get his own ball, instead just waited outside the packs. Griffen looked much more solid even with Raines breathing down his neck all day.

    Hopefully the defeat will cause the dogs to bring back hargrave this week.

    And finallly, excellent artcle tbetta. And that pic at the end had me in stitches lol.

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    tnargus

    June 25, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    Thanks for the article tbetta, good luck on the results of your exams!

    For me it is no trades this week (too many trades done during MBRs). Carrazzo should come in next week though. Removing Giles will be a luxury trade, but I may need to do it if he starts averaging 60 odd instead of closer to 80.

    Interesting analysis of options for the dreaded 6 MBRs next year. I am thinking extra trades (maybe 6 extra) for the season could solve some dramas. The 6-5-1-6 field idea is interesting however.

    Thanks again!

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    Andrew

    June 25, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    Anyone else have all 5 breakers?

    FMDT

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      Jarrod

      June 25, 2012 at 3:17 pm

      Goodes? What?!

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      Ingoes

      June 25, 2012 at 5:15 pm

      1 Maker, 3 Breakers. Though Broughton should have been short listed imo. My backline produced 21, 36, 42, 57, 78 , 89 and a Hargrave donut…

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        Magpie28

        June 25, 2012 at 8:15 pm

        My backline produced a total of 180pts… so I feel your pain amigo.

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          Ike

          June 25, 2012 at 9:23 pm

          The missuses team had a total of 100 points on the weekend in the backline from 3 players

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    The x Factor

    June 25, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    good work tbetta!!!!!

    If mummy finds full fitness could he be a possible future option?

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      Sammy J

      June 25, 2012 at 5:21 pm

      I’m going with the big Mummy this week!

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        RJforBrownlow

        June 25, 2012 at 8:06 pm

        Very tempting!!

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        Magpie28

        June 25, 2012 at 8:16 pm

        Giles to Mummy for $15K seems like a no-brainer really

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      azza707

      June 26, 2012 at 12:44 am

      be careful, mummy was having back problems on the weekend towards the end of the game

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    ndeans

    June 25, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    tbetta nice work as always.

    Regarding the MBR’s for 2013, i haven’t really looked into the proposed structure too much but the whole DT community has to agree that these past 3 weeks just sucked arse….. in every imaginable way.

    The best idea i have heard is a simple allocation of say 6-9 flat out ‘Loans’ where DT Coaches can make ‘One-Off’ straight swap loans of player-to-player (equal or lesser value) temporary loans that only last the duration of that single round.

    it’s not something that can be abused as far as i can tell, it makes the rounds a little easier to swallow and won’t compromise those coaches who still plan well for their byes. Most of all it won’t decimate the highly valuable trades.

    Love yo hear everyone elses ideas

    d3ansy

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    Sean08

    June 25, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    Great read tbetta!

    Clarke to carrazzo or Giles to cox/goldstein/ryder/griffin (ill do the other one next week)
    To get cox/goldstein ill have to hope for a debut in the forwards to downgrade smith, but if not I’ll have to do Orren to campbell and get Ryder/griffin

    Hopefully that made sense and it would be great if you could help me out!

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      Ingoes

      June 25, 2012 at 5:20 pm

      Wait a week on Carazzo – b/e 148 this week will be replaced by a teensy weensy one next week as the 1 falls out of his rolling average. Therefore get Ryder/Griffin this week.

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        Sean08

        June 25, 2012 at 5:23 pm

        Ok cheers, but Clarke has a high BE too so they’ll drop in price together.

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          Ingoes

          June 25, 2012 at 5:39 pm

          That is a good point. Who will your D8 be after you trade out Clarke?

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            Sean08

            June 25, 2012 at 5:46 pm

            Sam Shaw and Spurr as D9

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            Ingoes

            June 25, 2012 at 6:09 pm

            Yeah righto you may as well go Carrots this week then. Though Giles is also going to bleed…

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        Sean08

        June 25, 2012 at 6:11 pm

        Yeah ok thanks mate

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    JungleMuffin

    June 25, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    MBR’s were fine. Sure, eating donuts gives you a lower score, but it hits everyone. Sure “par” might drop 4-500 points over the MBR’s, but a score above par is still a good score.

    I actually enjoyed the challenge that the MBR’s brought to the game. I find DT more enjoyable when it’s more difficult. Challenges make things entertaining, simplicity gets boring very, very quickly.

    Suggestion for the MBR’s next year: Leave it how it is, maybe chuck in a few etra trades. Sorted.

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      titch

      June 25, 2012 at 3:45 pm

      +1 see 4(ish) posts below. I agree completely. A couple of extra trades mightn’t be a bad idea. Scores are relative people.

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        Pettiger

        June 25, 2012 at 4:01 pm

        I think the scores were a lot less relative during the byes. I am in one of the better leagues and normally we have a score variance of about 200 points between top and bottom. During the byes the variance was 500-600 points which is not a true indication of the skill level of the players.

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          JungleMuffin

          June 25, 2012 at 4:48 pm

          But it would have swung the other way the next week.

          It would have impacted some league results no doubt, but I think most of the people on here who are playing for their leagues were more than willing to cop a bad week and the resulting good week, and weren’t overly worried about their rankings.

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            leetrevor81

            June 25, 2012 at 6:07 pm

            Everyone is excited about having thier full team and having massive projected scores. It definately is a good feeling, but you have to remember most teams will be getting big scores as well.

            You might score 2300, but par might be 2400 this week

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            kelonwheels

            June 25, 2012 at 6:54 pm

            Nope, don’t think it was swings and roundabouts. If you had Pendles, Zaha and Hargrave for example then you got rolled against someone who had Swallow, Danger and Golby, even though they all had the same bye. That would not be so bad if you could use your emergencies and bench but no one could so it came down to who was out and who wasn’t. Maybe Hargrave has historically had injury problems but otherwise the rest were just good stabs in the dark. I reckon that phrase was written for MBRs

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            JungleMuffin

            June 25, 2012 at 7:02 pm

            Right, and THAT’s where the luck comes into it, and in that case, how is it different to losing Carrazo or Murphy or Fyfe or Rohan earlier in the season when they were all on low scores? That’s where luck is part of DT in general, regardless of MBR’s.

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      Pettiger

      June 25, 2012 at 3:47 pm

      Not everybody would agree with you Jungle.

      I, like many people, planned carefully for the byes right from the start of the year and was set for 5 donuts over the 3 rounds. I ended up with 15 donuts due to injuries and general soreness. My average has dropped from 2050 to 1900. This was not enjoyable in any way and has badly distorted my true DT abilities.

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        titch

        June 25, 2012 at 4:33 pm

        I concede that not everyone will gree but if you seriously planned for the MBR’s surely you would be aiming for only 2 donuts! You can be unlucky in the MBR’s but generally it comes down to planning and maing sure you have depth. Holding on to rooks with solid JS was crucial.

        Over the course of the 3 MBR’s im sure teams in your leagues averages evened out Pettiger. It just depends which round each team faced most donuts

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        JungleMuffin

        June 25, 2012 at 4:34 pm

        Did the bye rounds distort your true DT abilities, or did they show them for what they are?

        Every decision throughout the season impacted our bye performace. Sideways trade Broughton = 1 less trade for the byes. Sideways trade GAJ/Swan for 30 ppg for 2 weeks = 1 less trade to cover a donut for the byes (40 ppg v 1/200). Burn a trade sideways for a couple of points extra per week = 2 donuts from Pendles because you are too low on trades to sideways when you REALLY need to.

        Saving the trades early in the season and not burning them when I didn’t NEED to, allowed me sideways guys like HMac, Didak, Lewis which probably scored me 5-600 points. Would I have been in the position to do this if I had of jumped off GAJ, or Grimes, or Golby, or Broughton early in the season? No. That’s not luck, that’s good planning. The people who were wasting trades early are now the ones crying about the byes. Simple fact is, it’s noones fault but their own.

        Then you’ve got kids like Hall, Crouch etc, rookies with low JS. People weren’t smart with which rookies they brought into their side or when they cashed their rookies in. Rookies were always going to be hugely important in the byes, but kids just jumped on and off them whenever it suited them, again, with little regard to the byes. There was 1 rookie I picked up, that I wasn’t happy with his JS, and that was Spurr, low and behold, 2 donuts.

        The list goes on.

        The thing I really feel needs to be said though is this:

        What you and every other kid who hasn’t enjoyed the byes doesn’t understand, is that your score is relative, your donuts are relative, your average is relative. 1700 in round 11 is a horrible score if you look at it in the context of every other week, but if you look at it in the context of the MBR’s, it was a huge score. Same goes for 1900 in r12 or 1800 in r13. This is just me, but I’d much rather score 1700 in a round where everyone else scores 1400 than score 2300 in a round everyone scores 2500. Why? Because a “good” score to me is one that is higher than most people, or as many people as possible, not what is the biggest number.

        That’s what people are failing to understand, it’s not how high you score, it’s how high you score in relation to the competition.

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          Pettiger

          June 25, 2012 at 5:02 pm

          Yes, I am not a DT guru but I still stick by my theory that the MBRs have distorted results. Some of the real DT guns who make major contributions to this website have had worse scores than me – now that is an indication that something is wrong.

          Glad you did well during the byes. Now was that pure luck or skill?

          And as far as referring to me as a kid, flattering, and I’m sure my wife, adult children and grandson would be amused.

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            JungleMuffin

            June 25, 2012 at 5:23 pm

            Dude, kid, cat, bloke, person, whetever, does it really matter?

            As for the luck or Gravy, Scotland, Lewis, Didak, HMac that I had no more good luck than anyone else, and was possibly a little more unlucky than some other people.

            Every one of those guys was lookling good to play every game of the MBR’s, the week before. As it turns out, I got 6 points from the lot of them combined. Now you tell me, did I get an easy run because of good luck, or did I turn some some Lemons into Lemonade through skill?

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            JungleMuffin

            June 25, 2012 at 5:28 pm

            If you’ve got a theory that it distorted resuts, please, give us an argument as to how, support what you’re saying with a theory at least, don’t just go “pffft LUCK”.

            Regardless of how I’ve gone myself, labelling a good run through the byes isn’t really giving people the credit they deserve.

            There is absoloutely no coincidence that the teams who planned for it well, scored well.

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          The Butcher

          June 25, 2012 at 5:53 pm

          I agree Jungle. I held trades-kept the rookies and traded/upgraded them through the byes to minimise the donuts and improve my team in the bargain.
          I liked the added challenge of the MBRs. It adds a whole new dimention.

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            nathaniel

            June 25, 2012 at 9:36 pm

            You guys take this far to seriously :-)

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          kelonwheels

          June 25, 2012 at 7:13 pm

          Well I must be good cos I did everything you said except for Golby who I never wanted in the first place – happy that I took Lake – and I kept Hall which makes me a rookie given he only averages a crapload more than Spurr and has played more games. I couldn’t sideways trade even if I wanted to as I had planned my trades going into the MBRs so that I would get through with two.

          But I guess I should have known Lewis would get suspended, Zaha, Pendles, Horsley, Coniglio, Giles, Kennedy, Scotland and Stephenson would be out and Treloar, Smith, Gibson, Shaw, Magner and Bugg would be duds.

          I guess that was it right there, I picked the wrong rookies – only picked nine of the top ten best money makers this year and got rid of the ones that were going to miss games instead of taking their donuts. Next year I will hang on to the players missing a bunch of games, delist the players missing one match and pick the rookies that are least likely to make money. Oh and go into the MBRs planning to have donuts only from players who have the bye because I should know who is gonna get injured. Thanks for your help Jungle, It was my fault I got 9 donuts instead of 2.

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            kelonwheels

            June 25, 2012 at 7:16 pm

            Should say I went into the MBRs with 19 trades too so no wastage in the lead up.

            Is that enough for you as far as an explanation goes legend?

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            JungleMuffin

            June 26, 2012 at 2:43 am

            If you’ve got all the big money making rookies, then I’m assuming you are heavy with GWS players, which means you have failed to plan your upgrades for the round by upgrading rookies in rd12/13 to premiums in rd 11/12. By picking players from the rd 12 and 13 byes that were likely to be cullable, you can upgrade them to a premium, and in the process, avoid a donut. Now tell me, is that luck, or is that planning well for the byes????????

            Part of picking rookies this year was picking rookies with better JS. Even though players like Morris didn’t show the ceiling that Spurr had for example, they did appear to have superior JS, as a result, you should have taken Morris over Spurr heading into the season. Same for a combination of Dickson, Smith, Crouch, Adams, Townsend, Yeo, Yagmoor etc etc etc etc.

            Point in case: Ellis had 2 sub games, scoring 16 odd points in each, or whatever it was. Regardless, they were clearly his “general soreness” weeks, meaning they weren’t likely to rest him again in a couple of weeks on the other hand, Moriss hadn’t had a rest for the entire first half of the season. When it came to the point where you were downgrading Ellis or Morris, did you not ask yourselves which player was more likely to be getting a game during the byes? Which player was fresher?

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            titch

            June 26, 2012 at 12:41 pm

            They are good points JM made. Holding a rookie like Kennedy whose JS looked shaky coming into the MBR’s and he had the rd 11 bye seemed silly to me. I’ll admit I had some luck on that front as I traded him to Pfiefer as Pfiefer’s rd 13 bye was gold. It was possibly a tad lucky that Pfiefer played rds 11 & 12 but looking at Port’s injury list his spot seemed secure. The same was the case with Devon Smith -> Sexton from GCS or keeping Hall.

            It also must be remembered that an approach like this can hurt a side as well. My focus on the MBR’s seriously hampered my start to the season. I didn’t start with delidio as i thought there were too many good rd13 keeper options in the backline and if you started with more than 2 keepers within the same bye on any line you guaranteed a donut. Fair to say its cost me a few points.

            As far as complaining about Horseley or Giles. Well thats a bit rediculous. Everyone in the top 20k has/d them. The same could be possibly be said for coniglio because his LTI was not actually a MBR issue (could have traded him coming into rd 11 when you didn’t actually have to make trades to have your team set – see below)

            And as for complaining that Redden/stephenson only scored 88 in rd 11. It was possibly more luck than management that they both played at all. the 1/3 ruck strategy actually paid off in a big way

            Also teams should have been prepare for round 11 in advance. theoretically you shouldn’t have had to make any trades at that point too avoid donuts. The people who are complaining I doubt realise that 6 trades (3 in 12 and 3 in 13) could have resulted in the minimum 2 donuts.

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          leetrevor81

          June 25, 2012 at 8:19 pm

          I agree it is all relative, and people need to understand that instead of just looking at thier score of below 2000 and being pissed, be more concerned with wether it gave them a league win and a rise in the rankings.

          However many people planned for the byes, and if everything goes your way, it definately helps. Luck definately comes in to play though however as soon as a few players go down injured and you can’t make the trades you have planned that went along with that plan. There were also late withdrawels, poor scoring, rookies getting dropped that looked like holding thier spots etc.

          So planning definately helps, but luck can play a massive part too.

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      Alex

      June 25, 2012 at 5:20 pm

      I think the problem is that the maths of the MBRs magnify things out of proportion. A good DTer with a small amount of bad luck gets savaged unmercifully.

      And I’m saying that as someone who won all my games over 3 weeks. Sure, there’s always a big luck factor, but smart players can usually mitigate it. MBRs took that away, which took the fun out of it for a lot of people.

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        JungleMuffin

        June 25, 2012 at 5:37 pm

        But again, it’s relative. Yeah, good teams get hurt, but bad teams get hurt by it aswell.

        If everyone is getting hurt by the MBR’s, then noone is getting hurt by the MBR’s.

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          JungleMuffin

          June 25, 2012 at 5:45 pm

          Also worth pointing out that as my team was bit more completed than others, I was eating premium flavoured donuts, not just rookie flavoured.

          While the MBR’s helpd in a sense of alot more people copped more donuts, it also hurt in the sense that it reduced the advantage I had through completing my team sooner. While I had premiums sitting on the bench, other teams had rookies fattening up just that little bit extra.

          Anyway, I’ve said enough on this topic, you can more or less see my position by now. I just hope people look at all the factors involved, respect the impact their own DT ability had in that, and not just pin it on the poor MBR’s or luck.

          I’m out. Peace.

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            Ridley U

            June 25, 2012 at 8:18 pm

            How about my example for the case of bad luck? Had planned on 2 maybe 3 donuts for round 11. Was also taking the risk on letting the cows (GWS) fatten one last time before making the proposed trades.

            Then Zaka, Scotland, Pendles all get injured. Horse, Duffield and Smedts all get dropped. Instead of copping 2 maybe 3 zero’s I ended up getting 7! Then I was one of the guys who had Orren and Redden playing on field for a combined total of 64 points. I was also sitting on an injured HMac at this time.

            I was ranked @ 400th at this time and was hoping to make a move up the rankings. I dropped 1500 spots in one week. I have made up 650 of those spots in the past 2 rounds but wow that is a lot to drop because of a little bit of bad luck. The worst thing was I planned for the MBR’s and even went different types of players to others eg: Duffield instead of Broughton, just to be a little different.

            I have seen you post the same thing on a few occasions. While it has turned out well for you, it hasn’t been the same case for others. The reasons why sometimes could be just plain old bad luck!

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            sam

            June 25, 2012 at 8:21 pm

            Jungle Muffin, MBRs do increase the “luck” factor. If you suffer a suspension/injury in rounds with 9 games you have your good planning, i.e. bench rookies with good JS to provide cover. In MBRs, you just cop 0s. So an unlucky injury in a MBR affects you much more than an injury/suspension in other round.

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            JungleMuffin

            June 26, 2012 at 2:22 am

            Ridley:

            I was hit by Scotland, Lewis, Hmac, Horsely and Spurr. 4 of those were unexpected, on the round bad luck trades. 3 of them were classified as “long term injuries” that justified a trade. Even though I didn’t need to trade out HMac that round, I chose to trade him out and eat the Horsely donut instead. I also had Big O and Redden on field. Instead of the Zaha donut, I ended up with a 6 from Didak, along with the resulting need to trade him out.

            Having Smedts was an average pick, prtty much on par with having Spurr in your side.

            Essentially, I’ve ended up with pretty much the same rough end of the stick as you have, but here I am saying it was planning, and here you are saying it was luck.

            Please tell me, how is it we can both have more or less the same injury toll, but I have walked out of it pretty well off, and you have walked out of it apparantly destroyed?

            We’ve both been hit with the same ugly stick, we’ve both been hit with more or less the same bad luck.

            Tell me, how has bad luck prevented you from doing well during the byes, but allowed me to do reasonably well?

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            Ridley U

            June 26, 2012 at 9:59 am

            Smedts scored 75 the week before and many good judges thought he had done more than enough to hold his spot in the team.

            The reason why you had better luck in round 11 was that I had an extra out than you plus the fact that I also was going into the MBR’s with a slightly different strategy. I was looking at eating the donuts in the first week of the MBR’s. Unfortunately this backfired. I still had all my GWS rookies at the end of round 10 with a nice little kitty to upgrade. It was due to some bad luck that the donuts I expected went from 2 or 3 to 7. It wasn’t due to poor planning. As I said earlier I still have bounced back 650 spots in the rankings for the other 2 rounds. To drop from 400th to 1900th in one week is not because I didn’t plan for them.

            Over the course of the MBR’s, I ate 14 donuts but still am ranked at 1377 which isn’t too bad a result. The team is still averaging over 2000 a round even with the 1220 in round 11. I walk out of the MBR’s with a completed team and every chance to finish top 1000.

            You are making this a black and white subject but unfortunately there is way too much grey to do that. DT is a game played by over 280,000 teams. There is now 500 points from number 1 to number 29. While some have made massive inroads during the MBR’s, it has killed off a lot of interest for a lot of people. It will be interesting to see if the amount of teams is the same next year if people are aware there are 2 x MBR periods. I know that a lot of my mates who aren’t as passionate as me about DT lost all interest after round 11 and probably wont make another trade for the rest of the season. Others have also said that if it remains the same they aren’t interested in playing next year.

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      tbetta

      June 25, 2012 at 8:43 pm

      Respectfully disagree. Luck is a big part of DT and always has been, but the incredible influence of unlucky injuries and rested players were no fun over the MBRs, and quite frankly, not representative of a coaches DT nouse.

      I understand your point about it being ‘bad for everyone, therefore the same’, but in the end, its no fun copping donuts week after week. And we have to take a big picture look here – DT isn’t going to grow as a competition if the wider community are scared off by frustrating bye periods full of zeros and unfair league losses.

      So, yeah, the MBRs were pretty shit.

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        azza707

        June 26, 2012 at 1:00 am

        Exactly!

        Jungle you obviously planned well for the byes and I’m sure many others like myself did. And in the end it came down to 75% luck. I had my team planned to cop 0 donuts in round 11 and 2 in round 12 and 13 each. I ended up copping 3 in round 11 to begin with cos of random injuries and omissions.

        In round 13 i had Guthrie, Malceski, Hargrave all dropped to go along with the rest of my round 13 defenders (which was many, mainly due to the fact that all the good defenders were round 13 players). In the end i had a total of 2/7 defenders playing for round 13.

        Just because you planned for the byes and it worked a treat for you doesn’t mean everybody else is retarded. I had my team structured perfectly with upgrades and downgrades to dodge donuts and in the end i got slaughtered and it came down to absolute pure luck. One bad rookies that cost me badly was the same as you in Spurr.

        I agree with you in that the byes make DT more fun. I love a challenge and this one certainly was a big on. While it doesn’t seem like much fun, it does separate the good DTers from the bad. However i do think virtual sports made it way too hard to deal with properly. The only was to escape carnage as a but of planning and a shitload of luck, hoping for a perfect run with injuries and JS.

        I think next year extending the bench to 3 is an ABSOLUTE MUST. trust me, you are forgetting how hard it will be to make cash and find cheap rookies who will actually play without GWS and GC rookies lying around the place everywhere. every team has a complete list now and barring injuries or picking up an absolute gun in the draft, there are going to be way less rookies with JS that will actually score in the MBRs. A few extra trades wouldn’t hurt either but only a few. An extended bench will help greatly and thus limit the needs for trades for the GOOD DTERS, maybe around 28ish trades for the season?. A combination of both needs to incorporated to makes byes a challenge, but also manageable to some extent so that players can still score decently even with injuries and etc

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          titch

          June 26, 2012 at 1:02 pm

          I dont see the logic in extending the bench to 3 if there are going to be fewer rookie options. It would force everyone into a mid priced strategy however which would be bloody interesting.

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        JungleMuffin

        June 26, 2012 at 2:34 am

        I think the “fun factor” is a different issue to the “luck factor”.

        You’re saying eating a donut isn’t fun, and while I totally agree with that, because I can justify eating 2 Gravy coated fat ones tasted like shit. Saying that though, walking in to a round and seeing all of your opponents eating donuts becase they didn’t plan their team well, seeing all of the people on here raging because they were eating donuts they shouldn’t have, because they did’nt plan well, was f**king awesome. I guess it depends on whide side if the fence you where.

        Ultimately, the “fun factor” is different to what we’re arguing here, and unfortunately, is an inherent part of DT, regardless of the week it is played. What happened with the MBR’s with omissions and injuries happens in every other week of DT.

        Doing well and you’re loving life, doing poorly and FMDT. The major problem with all this is, the FMDT part is an inherent characteristic of DT in general. It has absolutely f**king nothing to do with the bye rounds, that is just DT, fullstop, cop a bad week in selections, or a bad week previously with injuries, and you’re going to be up against it. Again, I will reiterate it, that’s not the MBR’s, that’s DT in general.

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          Ridley U

          June 26, 2012 at 10:10 am

          Terrible argument! Cop a bad week outside of the MBR’s you have bench cover and the damage can be controlled. Cop a bad week in the MBR’s and there is no bench cover and it becomes season ending. Too much of a difference which is what everyone is saying. I am not ‘raging’ because I have eaten too many donuts. I actually don’t mind the MBR’s as a whole but just feel that if nothing changes then DT will lose a lot of participants.

          This year for me –

          In MBR
          Bad week – score 1220 (dropped 1500 spots and 500 points from leaders)

          normal week
          bad week – score 2050 (dropped 170 spots and 200 points from leaders)

          Now that is a big difference between my 2 bad weeks this season.

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            titch

            June 26, 2012 at 1:00 pm

            I can understand your frustration Ridley. You were unlucky. I picked my team with a big focus on the MBR’s and it cost me. I am doing poorly overall. much worse than you. But i didn’t complain in rounds 1-10 when i was missing out on some juicy scores from rd 12 and 13 guns and was losing ground. I made some up over the MBR’s but not much. Bottom line i spose is my starting squad wasn’t up to scratch and i’ve been a bit unlucky. Same reason a lot of people did poorly over the byes. Their bye approach wasn’t up to scratch and they were a bit unlucky. Thats the game.

            I understand the nees for VS to keep people interested but as I said at the start – I’m a purist and I think that catering to the masses ruins the integrity of the game a tad. They’ll probably change it next year but I dont see the point in complaining about this year.

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            Ridley U

            June 26, 2012 at 1:26 pm

            I don’t want it to be seen as complaining at all. Just want to make sure that people don’t go labelling everyone under the same banner is all.

            I had a really good run early and my strategy of banking the points has paid off as the poor result I got from round 11 could have been worse. There are much better coaches than I out there that copped bad luck and it destroyed all their planning over the MBR’s. They shouldn’t be generalised into the same category as coaches who got smashed because they didn’t plan.

            Overall, I like the carnage rounds generally more than the big scoring rounds. There is much more room for improvement in the rankings. I am currently projected at 2400+ for this round with a maximum of 2950 lol. Weekly winner will probably be scorig 2600+ this week.

            Best of luck to all!

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    worldcuppa

    June 25, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    For the byes next year, surely common sense dictates we go back to squads of 33, with 3 on the bench. You are right, TB, that it was easy to ‘complete’ one’s side last year. But as you have already alluded to, the Magic number was too low last year. i.e. The competition organisers decided to dilute the starting prices by 10% to take into account the extra 10% no. of players.

    If we keep existing $ per point starting prices, then initial squads will be a challenge in themselves, making the process fo ‘completing’ squads are more drawn out one

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      Ingoes

      June 25, 2012 at 5:25 pm

      +1. This is the answer IMO

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    discomute

    June 25, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    hey tbetta in response to OPTION 1 i think part of the issue with extra trades is that everyone ends up with such similiar teams. this is largely because there are only so many FWD’s and DEF’s worth having… who saw buddy’s 200 and thought “out of my 6 opponents, they all have him”

    i think to counteract this they need more mid’s classified at def or forwards…. even better, rather than the current 7-6-2-7 what about 6-8-2-6 it would be more accurate of a modern club anyway

    some footy clubs dont even have 6 players classified in one position!

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      discomute

      June 25, 2012 at 3:28 pm

      or demetriou could give us a break and just make 2 separate split rounds with 5 and 4 games…

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    Justin

    June 25, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    “At the end of the day, if you get an injury to one of our rucks, you’re probably better off having Redden cover or sideways trading them out if it’s a serious issue.”

    I don’t get this at all. Redden won’t be playing in the second half of the year nor will he be scoring like Giles can. I’ll be bringing in Maric for Stephenson this week giving me Giles to cover for the inevitable rest the eagles give Coxy.(or any other injuries)

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      JungleMuffin

      June 25, 2012 at 3:51 pm

      Then you’re seriously compromising your team elsewhere.

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        Justin

        June 25, 2012 at 3:56 pm

        Not really, I have the cash to do it. If the rucks endure donuts like I suspect then I will come out on top.

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          JungleMuffin

          June 25, 2012 at 4:40 pm

          That’s alot of cash to have sitting on your bench. It’s the sort of trade you do when every other line is maxed out with premiums.

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            Magpie28

            June 25, 2012 at 8:27 pm

            Exactly the reason I’ve downgraded Giles this week… don’t need a B-grade ruckman for possible cover leaking cash and potentially never playing. Take the cash now and upgrade elsewhere.

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    titch

    June 25, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    Super write up as always Tbetta. My favourite weekly piece. Hope the exams weren’t as horrid as you’ve made out.

    Interesting discussion on the future of the MBR’s. Part of me understands why people don’t like them as it does bring elements of luck into it (ie if you had pendles, hargrave, scotland or waters – amongst others im sure). But part of me says the rules are the same for everyone, we knew what was happening before the season started and the reason many people get upset is because they are vain and want to see big numbers. The reality is any score you get is relative to everyone else’s so in my opinion the structure shouldn’t change.

    With regard to the luck factor – it seems that anyone who finishes high overall (most certainly not me) attributes a large part of it to luck anyway.

    I think the structure should stay the same . No extra trades. No extra bench players. this awards people who prepare and understand the game.

    I understand I am a purist and others might think differently – not the least of which would probably be virtual sports who are trying to run a business and want to keep as many people interested for as long as posssible and so it is in thei interests to ‘dumb it down’ (for lack of a better tun of phrase).

    Thats my 2 bob

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      JungleMuffin

      June 25, 2012 at 3:53 pm

      +1

      You are my DT soulmate.

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        joseph

        June 25, 2012 at 3:56 pm

        i can see from your posts JM, that you went really well in the Byes??

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          JungleMuffin

          June 25, 2012 at 4:01 pm

          I had some injuries/suspensions that hurt, but yeah, didn’t do too bad.

          I think pretty much anyone who picked their initial squad and made subsequnent trades with the one eye on the byes would have done well.

          I’d be interested to know how many of the people who were saying “pfft, don’t worry about the bye rounds, it’s so far away, and injuries will ruin it anyway, it’s all about luck” during pre season, are the ones complaining about the byes?

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            Ingoes

            June 25, 2012 at 5:37 pm

            I prepared thoroughly and kept my total donuts down to eight. This week it was Pendles, Hargrave and Stephenson. Should have/could have been zero. Still wound up with 1559 thanks to S.Shaw, Clarke, M.Johnson, Broughton, etc. I am pissed off by things like choosing/holding Folau purely on the basis that his job security was huge, because I knew that poorly timed omissions of rooks was going to hurt during the byes. I needed him to play and score in precisely two rounds, and he played in neither. I realise it was a poor choice anyway but at least he could have scored me 70 points in two games.

            Luck is a huge factor obviously. But I think the shortcoming of the MBRs may have been the extent to which it exposed us all to being severely stung by bad luck. I did climb from 5K to 3300 over the byes, but it should have been more. I held off upgrades so that I could use them to skip donuts through the byes and that cost me points that I didn’t really get back.

            If you really think it is better the way it is, we should change to squads of 22 and they all have to play every week. That’d sort f**kers out wouldn’t it? Because that’s what it amounted to during the MBRs.

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            Magpie28

            June 25, 2012 at 8:33 pm

            If you’re having a crappy year (as I am this year), then MBRs the way they’re currently structured is possibly enough to tip you over the edge. I’ll stay involved because I have a title to defend, but others will simply give the game away.

            Not saying we should introduce gimmicks to keep people involved, but agree with some of the comments here… a little bad luck throws all your plans into chaos.

            The DT devil fools with even the best made plans.

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            Justin

            June 25, 2012 at 8:41 pm

            I’ve got to agree with JM and Titch (and anyone else of the same opinion). The MBR’s were an obstacle we had to navigate, nothing in life is really perfect so why did we need DreamTeam to be? Deal with it and move on. I got pooped on during the rounds after carefully picking a side that was balanced across the lines which would have resulted in 3 donuts per round excluding trades I would plan as it got closer to the rounds. It should have resulted in less than 3 per round instead it went 4-3-4 and I only totaled 4864.

            If I was going to whinge it’s that I feel I wasted time preparing when other people winged it with team selection, completely disregarding the MBR’s in the process. But where will that get me? I’ll still be 7th on the ladder with more points scored against me than any other team in my league. Hell, some people didn’t even realise how the MBR’s were going operating this year until after the first one.

            Anyone who’s participated in team sports should understand how useless arguing with an umpire/referee is. Sure it might make you feel better for venting but the call has been made and it’s not going to change so there’s no point bitching about it. JM pointed it out repeatedly and it’s the simplest fact of all – everyone had to deal with the MBR’s equally or as the saying goes ‘the rain falls on the just and unjust alike’ or something to that effect.

            Next we’ll all have a big cry about paying for the assistant coach functions like some people in my league did, saying I give the AFL enough money as it is and they want to charge me another $20. Boo Hoo.

            Another Great article Tbetta. Personally, Hargrave and Giles are being jettisoned for Carrazzo and Maric leaving me with one more upgrade to make in my fwd line with Smith to make-way for someone else. Keep up the great work mate.

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            JungleMuffin

            June 26, 2012 at 2:52 am

            Honestly Ingoes, I love the idea of having only 22 players to chose from, it would really sort the f***ers out as you say.

            Ultimately it will never happen in DT though, but man, that would have to be an excellent idea for a boss version of DT.

            DT: Legends perhaps?

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          Pettiger

          June 25, 2012 at 4:05 pm

          And what can you read from my posts Joseph?

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            JungleMuffin

            June 25, 2012 at 4:45 pm

            That you had Hargrave, Sandilands, Lewis, HMac, Didak, Scotland, Pendles, Hall, Spurr and a few others who didn’t do too well in your team?

            :D

            <3

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      The Butcher

      June 25, 2012 at 6:05 pm

      +1

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    kem

    June 25, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    hargrave to carazzo (this week or next?) or lenny to rocky?

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      Zan

      June 25, 2012 at 3:53 pm

      next

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      Ingoes

      June 25, 2012 at 5:38 pm

      lenny to rocky this week and gravy to carrots next is what I am probably doing

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    Balayah

    June 25, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    Top article, Tbetta. Good to have you back!

    Bit of a dilemma here. Last midfield spot. Upgrading Shiel to…:

    1) Jelwood
    2) Rocky
    3) Redden
    4) Anyone under 510k

    Also, upgrading Devon Smith to:

    1) Pavlich (already in my team but thinking of reversing)
    2) Cloke
    3) Robbo
    4) Anyone else…?

    Much appreciated!

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      Balayah

      June 25, 2012 at 4:52 pm

      Oh, and for the fwd line, maybe Goodes in a couple of weeks?

      Any feedback will be much appreciated!

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      Sean08

      June 25, 2012 at 5:27 pm

      Rocky and Robbo

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      Magpie28

      June 25, 2012 at 8:34 pm

      Stanton’s down in price at the moment… a bargain at a tick over $500K considering what he’s capable of.

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    Aidan

    June 25, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    Pfieller to Robinson – Now or on Friday

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      PurpleArmy (aka Space Goats)

      June 25, 2012 at 4:24 pm

      whats the difference?, you can just reverse trades until friday night anyway…Id wait till Saturday :P

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      Albert Lloyd

      June 25, 2012 at 6:16 pm

      Stupidest question ever

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        Magpie28

        June 25, 2012 at 8:36 pm

        Especially considering there is no such player as Pfeiller. I suspect he’s taking the p!ss.

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          Aidan

          June 25, 2012 at 10:09 pm

          Pfieller or Pfeiller – what does it matter you know who I mean Magpie

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            Vishnu27

            June 25, 2012 at 11:12 pm

            Aiden, have you heard of Michelle? It’s the same spelling…

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    swanlow36

    June 25, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    Excellent work tbetta. Looking forward to a stress-free weekend and would love a return to the 33 squads next season.

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    Warnie

    June 25, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    Awesome work, Tbetta. Love it.

    In regards to next year, I’m torn between the two options. Good thinking there with both of these. Maybe we could set up a bit of a poll (with other potential options) and a discussion about what we can do moving forward.

    Something has to change.

    I personally think that the first option will be the way VS will go. It makes sense in keeping things simple and in the true essence of the game (the changes to the starting positions of 6-8-2-6 is a winner too, but I’ve been fighting that fight for a long time now and I’m tipping it will be thrown out again). Next season we have a different playing field. No expansion clubs will make option one very hard! Mid-pricers will come to the fore and the purist, like myself, will love it as we’ll have to take a punt on some improvers. The Guns and Rookies strategy needs a shake up. It will still work, but when a quarter of the season are MBRs, then it is a much different scenario for all of us.

    Option two suits me more and won’t ‘lose’ too many people either way – hardcores through to regular joe punter.

    Plenty to ponder… and we’ll have plenty of time to do so. We’ll definitely be in the ear of our friends from VS in trying to make this a winner for all!

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      Pettiger

      June 25, 2012 at 4:33 pm

      Warnie, I like option 3 which somebody else mentioned above – two split bye rounds, 4 games and 5 games, and then just split the DT rounds. No extra trades or bench positions required, and no distortion in scores and averages.

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        leetrevor81

        June 25, 2012 at 6:02 pm

        Warnie might be able to influence Virtual Sports, but doubt he can get Andrew Demetriou to change the AFL fixture

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        Rambo Tambo

        June 25, 2012 at 6:32 pm

        +1 Worked fine in the past! Why change it?

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        Warnie

        June 25, 2012 at 9:17 pm

        Haha. As leetrevor81 said, I don’t think I’ll be changing how AD thinks about footy and the $ that bye rounds bring as opposed to split rounds. If we have split rounds, then we go back to DT2010 and all is well in the world.

        Unfortunately, that ain’t gonna happen!

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    Chris

    June 25, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    DEF: Delidio, Goddard, Waters, Birchell, Hargrave, Darley, Sam Shaw, (Townsend, Spurr)

    MID: Swan, Ablett, Stanton, Boyd, Thompson, Beams, (Gibson, Sexton)

    RUCK: Cox, Giles, (Redden, Stephenson)

    FWD: Franklin, Sidebottom, Robinson, Dangerfield, Martin, Cloke, Zorko, (Pfierrier, Black)

    9 trades left and $256,900 in the bank.

    Thoughts on trades to complete my team??

    My thoughts are:
    Defence: 1 or 2 upgrades ( want to get in Carrazo and im not sure who else to put in. not sure who to trades out though)

    Mids: i would say complete. any thoughts if not??

    Rucks: maybe i get ivan maric ( id love to have him but sure how to get him main problem is having the cash)

    Fwds: Maybe complete. Should i upgrade or downgrade Pfierrier???

    Thoughts on all this?? would be great

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      Balayah

      June 25, 2012 at 4:57 pm

      Hargrave to Carrazzo next week (or this week, as Hargrave is probably going to leak more cash than Carrazzo). Maybe Suckling or Grima as an upgrade from Darley? Giles to Maric ideal if it weren’t for the amount of money involved. Mumford, anyone?

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        Chris

        June 25, 2012 at 5:09 pm

        yehh i was thinking maybe suckling in darley out.
        yeh thats the problem coz i still want money in the bank during finals.
        you reckon i could downgrade or upgrade Pfierrier??

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          Balayah

          June 25, 2012 at 5:14 pm

          How about downgrading Redden to Tom Campbell?

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            Chris

            June 25, 2012 at 6:07 pm

            that could be an option but what would i do after that trade?? get Maric??

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            Balayah

            June 25, 2012 at 6:57 pm

            Essentially…

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    Genghis Khan

    June 25, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    Great Stuff Tbetta.
    Carrots in this week for me.
    Team = Complete.
    Enough said…

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    Nooie

    June 25, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    If I trade Giles-Griffin, I’ll have 3 trades left for remainder of the season.

    Do or don’t

    Please help!!!!!!!

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      Balayah

      June 25, 2012 at 4:59 pm

      With only 4 trades left at the moment, I’d say hold your trades.

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      Balayah

      June 25, 2012 at 5:00 pm

      Hold the trades.

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      leetrevor81

      June 25, 2012 at 5:45 pm

      Hold, firstly because you need to save your trades, secondly because Griffin’s scores will drop when Sandilands is back, or even worse, he will get dropped.

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    Kuruki

    June 25, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    Out of all the Mid/ef rookies who would be the most likely to score a game this year? Anyone think Kurt Aylet might get a run for GWS this year?

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      Genghis Khan

      June 25, 2012 at 5:04 pm

      I’d say Luke Brown. Bit of talk around him this week.
      But none of the Def/Mids are likely IMO

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      leetrevor81

      June 25, 2012 at 5:47 pm

      Sam Docherty from Brisbane has been playing well in the reserves. I’d say he is the most likely to get a game

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        Kuruki

        June 25, 2012 at 6:46 pm

        Cheers guys. I’m thinking of getting Carrazo in for Spurr next week. Not keen to Have spurr and Ellis as my two bench cover so i’m going to get another premo and have the option to use the extra man in the midfield i a need to.

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      tbetta

      June 25, 2012 at 9:19 pm

      Definitely Docherty. Should only be a matter of weeks before he gets an opportunity. Brown will find it much harder to crack a healthy Adelaide squad.

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    Jay

    June 25, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    Time to possibly get rid of Hayes?

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    Melmmer

    June 25, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    Thoughts on Roughy as a ruck upgrade for Giles?

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    BDeville

    June 25, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    Def: Goddard, Delidio, Heppell, Birchall, Waters, Hargrave, Ellis (Bootsma, Darley)

    Mid: Pendles, Boyd, Ablett, Thompson, Mitchell, Swan (Gibson, Zorko)

    Ruc: Goldstein, Giles (Stephenson,Redden)

    Fwd: Sidey, Buddy, Robinson, Zaharakis, Martin, Beams, Dangerfield (Hall, Sexton)

    90,000 in the bank 6 trades left

    Thoughts on trades to complete my team??

    I was thinking this week:
    Orren to Campbell
    Giles to Ryder

    Next Week:
    Hargrave to Carrots

    Future:
    Ellis/Darley to Premo once they make more cash

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      Jay

      June 25, 2012 at 5:28 pm

      Get rid of martin and put Zorko in his place.

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        leetrevor81

        June 25, 2012 at 5:42 pm

        First priority should be upgrading rookies. Martin isn’t doing great but i’d rather an under performing rookie averaging in the 80s than having to play rookies

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          Rambo Tambo

          June 25, 2012 at 6:38 pm

          I think he meant subbing them

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      Stevo

      June 25, 2012 at 5:34 pm

      only do hargrave to carrots if hargrave doesn’t play, get rid of ellis first

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    Matt

    June 25, 2012 at 5:29 pm

    Need some help. Midfield: swan, pendles, priddis, ablett, boyd, hayes (gibson, shiel)

    Time to move Hayes on. Was thinking Thompson or Rockliff.
    Any thoughts?

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      leetrevor81

      June 25, 2012 at 5:40 pm

      What about upgrading Shiel and keeping Hayes as a back up for injuries later in the year?

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        joseph

        June 25, 2012 at 6:20 pm

        Hayes to Thompson

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      RJforBrownlow

      June 25, 2012 at 8:18 pm

      Jump on board the Rocky train if you like rollercoasters, I’ve been on all year and nothing is more enjoyable than 130 then a 70. I reckon hes gonna kill it second half of the year though and hes dirt cheap…

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        Magpie28

        June 25, 2012 at 8:41 pm

        I got him at what I thought was bargain basement… about $490K. He’s a dead-set steal now and will make a nice final upgrade if you don’t have him.

        Stanton in a week if he misses his BE this week will be a bargain too!

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    Chillbills

    June 25, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    Who do I trade out for a premium defender Morris or Ellis?

    And no one talking about trading in Sam Fisher?

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      Magpie28

      June 25, 2012 at 8:57 pm

      Morris. And no… I wouldn’t buy him with your money

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    Megatron

    June 25, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    Angus Monfries out for 3+ weeks.

    Cory Dell’olio’s JS just went up

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      Albert Lloyd

      June 25, 2012 at 6:17 pm

      Monfries +3

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        Megatron

        June 25, 2012 at 6:50 pm

        mate, make some sense.

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    KruZin

    June 25, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    People on this site keep referring to a player nicknamed “Gravy”, who are they talking about? :-/

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      Ingoes

      June 25, 2012 at 6:19 pm

      Ryan Hargrave

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      leetrevor81

      June 25, 2012 at 6:34 pm

      Get it, his name is Har-grave, it almost sounds like gravy….Creative bunch we are :)

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        Albert Lloyd

        June 25, 2012 at 6:45 pm

        That’s even worse than Carrots :-/

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      Adamant

      June 25, 2012 at 6:43 pm

      Ryan HarGRAVE

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    Ryan

    June 25, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    Nice write up!!
    I have 2 prOblems for the pros. I have 3 trades left coz i was gung ho inexperienced and i have 5 premo mids n shiel + 46k. Was thinkin of upgrading hunt n ellis as they are my 2 weak defenders onfield.. Hunt this week to scotland and have 123k left after downgradin shiel. Ellis be is 18?ish so was gonna upgrade him next week. Not sure if i can get in carra but it will be tight.. Any other options for me? I have dickson n dahlhaus also fightin for the match and bench.. Which 1 outa the 2:/

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      leetrevor81

      June 25, 2012 at 6:33 pm

      Unforunately I think you need to keep those 3 trades for LTI’s

      Otherwise when it gets to league finals you will have to play rookies to cover injuries, or even worse you will have donuts in finals

      Hold!

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    Ingoes

    June 25, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    On Griffen:

    I am tempted to get Zac Clarke. Will get more time in the ruck while Sandi is out, and when Sandi comes back, he will at least keep his spot – Griffin will likely get dropped. Clarke is a talented player. Thoughts?

    Also, Rocky now or Boyd in two weeks after a couple of price drops?

    Cheers lads and welcome back tbetta

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      Waffles

      June 25, 2012 at 6:41 pm

      Good thinkingnand rocky while he is at absolute rock bottom

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        Adamant

        June 25, 2012 at 6:44 pm

        haha rock bottom

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          Albert Lloyd

          June 25, 2012 at 6:46 pm

          lul

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          Waffles

          June 25, 2012 at 7:30 pm

          Lol mature….

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      Kuruki

      June 25, 2012 at 8:32 pm

      Sandi wont be back and if he is he will last a week. Griffen is safe for the season imo. Why rush Sandi back, he is only tapping to our oppositions midfield anyway.

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      azza707

      June 26, 2012 at 1:14 am

      I seriously don’t understand peoples logic in trading in Griffin. He only really gets a game when Sandi gets a game. If Sandi is out for the predicted 10 or so weeks, that means he comes back into the squad at exactly the time of when DT finals are on. Griffin will be dropped in a flash and Sandi is a walk up starter. Seriously people, look at the future possibilities when you make your trades.

      If you had to go a free ruck man i would go Clarke cos he seems to be guaranteed games regardless however his scoring hasn’t been as prolific.

      Otherwise, make some cash and get a better ruckman

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    Rhino

    June 25, 2012 at 6:23 pm

    Hay guys,
    this is how my team looks atm:

    B: Deledio, Goddard, Waters, Birchall, Heppell, Enright, Hargrave (Darley, Shaw)
    M: Boyd, Ablett, Swan, Rockliff, Mitchell, JSelwood (M. Williams, Gibson)
    R: Cox, Giles (Stephenson, Campbell)
    F: Sidebottom, Franklin, Chapman, Beams, Dangerfield, Martin, Zorko (Treloar, Tomlinson)

    Cash: $63,800
    Trades Left: 7

    Im going to get Carrazzo in next week for hargrave and upgrade giles to maric in a few weeks then my team will be done.
    Only problem is i need to downgrade someone to have enough to get in maric..
    Could you give me some suggestions and your thoughts on my team.

    Thanks Guys!!

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      Kuruki

      June 25, 2012 at 6:50 pm

      Maybe wait a while until Treloar starts making money again.

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    kev

    June 25, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    would people still term beams a must have? dont have him but could upgrade porps/martin not sure if its worth a trade though

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      leetrevor81

      June 25, 2012 at 6:30 pm

      How many trades do you have? Can you get him in for a rookie instead and then have Martin as your 8th foward?

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      Ingoes

      June 25, 2012 at 6:38 pm

      defs porps>beams. Hold Martin.

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      Kuruki

      June 25, 2012 at 6:50 pm

      Porps to Beams is worth 2 trades !!

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        kev

        June 25, 2012 at 7:10 pm

        not enough cash to get him in for a rook.. forward line would def look good with with beams in it! was thinking porps might be on the impove after the game with the saints but maybe not

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    Cobie

    June 25, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    I will have the following team after trading this week (out Adams and Cameron, in Ablett and Patton). I have 7 trades left, and a couple of people I would like to upgrade (Hawkins, Giles and Clarke). Should I be holding my trades now or try to upgrade one of them? On a related note the only decent rookie I have left is Zorko, which is probably going to be a concern going forward.

    Deledio, Goddard, Waters, Heppell, Broughton, Birchall, Clark (Shaw, Smedts)

    Swan, Stanton, Thompson, Ablett, Hayes, Martin (Crozier, Gibson)

    Cox, Giles (Campbell, Stephenson)

    Franklin, Sidebottom, Beams, Dangerfield, Robinson, Johnson, Hawkins (Zorko, Patton)

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    PurpleArmy (aka Space Goats)

    June 25, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    torn whether to grab Carrazzo this week or next. His BE is 131 (dream-stats) so even with a 100 he’ll prob only drop about 20k. Then team complete

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      Albert Lloyd

      June 25, 2012 at 6:55 pm

      Do you have a reason not to wait?

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        PurpleArmy (aka Space Goats)

        June 25, 2012 at 7:08 pm

        mainly the money side of it, Carrazzo will drop about 20k, Bugg has a BE of 57 and Ellis has a 16 BE so they should go up in price if i wait a week, every dollar counts towards finals

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          kev

          June 25, 2012 at 7:11 pm

          yeah im thinking of going gravy to carrots.. who will drop more this round you reckon? not worth waiting?

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            PurpleArmy (aka Space Goats)

            June 25, 2012 at 7:26 pm

            Hargrave’s 106, so he’ll drop again if his recent form suggests, a lot more then Carrazzo. He has to be named again though :)

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          leetrevor81

          June 25, 2012 at 8:04 pm

          You might save a few dollars, but how many points do you lose if Carrazzo gets a big hundred?

          If

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      colesy

      June 25, 2012 at 6:57 pm

      same but im going overseas for 3 weeks, so my decision is complete.

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    Apoc

    June 25, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    Mitch Clark out for the season. Wonder if Couch will finally get a gurnsey?

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      PurpleArmy (aka Space Goats)

      June 25, 2012 at 7:12 pm

      haha thats funny, who knows what Neeld will do. They lose a fwd and they give a mid a game…sounds like something the Dee’s will do :)

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    Balayah

    June 25, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    Help! Decisions I cannot make myself:

    1) Redden or Rockliff

    2) Cloke or Robbo or Pavlich (from Devon Smith)

    3) Carrazzo this week or next

    4) Forget about RedRock and get Jelwood instead

    Please, need help here… thanks!

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      Balayah

      June 25, 2012 at 7:13 pm

      Thing is, based on 2012 so far, Redden has the consistency but Rockliff has the ability to pull off 150+ scores as well as the 70-80s. I’ll bring Rockliff if I think he can maintain some degree of consistency.

      What do you all think??

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        RJforBrownlow

        June 25, 2012 at 8:15 pm

        Rockliff IMO but both are gonna smash it the Lions will have gained a lot of confidence from that win.

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          Vishnu27

          June 25, 2012 at 11:10 pm

          Also got a feeling Rockliff is on the bubble. Definitely a better DT player with Black back. The Lions run home is reasonable also.

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    Chris

    June 25, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    9 trades left and $256,900 in the bank.

    FWD: Franklin, Sidebottom, Robinson, Dangerfield, Martin, Cloke, Zorko, (Pfierrier, Black)

    trade out Pfierrier and bring in Couch for cash??

    Thoughts?? surely he will play this season…

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      Balayah

      June 25, 2012 at 7:24 pm

      Mitch Clark out so they might bring Couch in.

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        PurpleArmy (aka Space Goats)

        June 25, 2012 at 7:31 pm

        he has to play this year, what was the point of elevating him before round 1?!?!. Terrible

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        leetrevor81

        June 25, 2012 at 8:01 pm

        I mid fielder in for a power forward?

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          Chris

          June 25, 2012 at 8:10 pm

          Which forward though?? Martin..? :/

          My FWD’s: Franklin, Sidebottom, Robinson, Dangerfield, Martin, Cloke, Zorko, (Pfierrier, Black)

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      Albert Lloyd

      June 25, 2012 at 7:24 pm

      Do you need the money right now?

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