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Griff’s Grenades: Round 12

For the second week running Griff takes control of the bullets whilst tbetta get’s deep into the trenches… Oh that’s gross! It’s not like that at all. You know some people really need to grow up! Next thing you know people be making jokes about Cox and Dick being in the same team. Where was I? Oh yeah: Here’s tbetta’s b… Griff’s Grenades!

Welcome back to Griff’s Grenades. That’s right, it’s Griff here, still taking the wheel whilst tbetta does, you know, whatever it is he is doing. Don’t worry, this should be the last week I’m tasked with the bullets for a while. Next week tbetta will be back at the helm delivering bullets in every direction having completely ignored two of the Multi Bye Rounds (MBRs) like they never existed. And as of next Monday I’ll bring you an all new segment, Mad Monday with Griff; semi-replacing the Open Letter To series. But we’ll get to that next week. As for this week…


More of the Same

Well now, that was slightly less painful wasn’t it? No, not really. Comparing one MBR to another is a bit like playing ‘would you rather?’; no matter what the answer is out of “would you rather lose a foot or loose a hand?” you still lose. So needless to say there was quite a healthy discussion on the inter-webs last week when it was announced by Andrew Demitridouche that he is contemplating having six, that’s 6, a half dozen, a shot over the boundary on the full, nummer sechs, numero sei, the magnificent seven (when on of them has to stay home and look after the kids), yes SIX MBRs next year.

The discussion was not so much the value of byes as, let’s face it, the players want two weeks off and they probably deserve it given the massive season. No, the discussion was about how AFL endorsed games like AFL Dream Team could actually survive one and a half months of the crapness that is MBRs.

Several ideas were floated on twitter, from extended benches combined with additional trades and bumping up the Magic Number, to having bye-absent players score their rolling five game averages. What ever the solution is, buckle your seat belts, because this ride’s about to get bumpy-er.


Harvesting Season (a mini Open Letter)

Dear Adam Treloar, and Devon Smith, and James McDonald, and Josh Jenkins, and Alex Sexton, and Chad Wingard, and, you know what, all rookies listen up (except you Dayne Zorko, you just do whatever you want)! We are very happy that you have debuted for our clubs over the course of the year, you’re already miles ahead of Tom Couch. And we support your development and stuff, and you know, go get ’em and all that. But seriously, WTF was that? Unkind regards, everyone.


There are moments as Dream Team coaches where everything works out perfectly. Toby Greene high-fiving the face of his opponent with his elbow just as Dayne Zorko is getting ready to tear the competition apart; that was perfect. Devon Smith and Adam Treloar combining for a grand total of 48, without being sub affected, in the middle of the MBRs, with significant coverage and potential upgrades missing next week; not so perfect. Now some coaches are well prepared to deal with such dilemmas, having hoarded more gold under their mattress than the Mayor of Athens, and they’ll simply buy their way out. Then there is the rest of us.

Here at Dream Team Talk, rookies are Chook’s domain, but to save him the time of explaining the problem in full, and without over-exaggerating the situation, this is where it is at: If Tom Couch doesn’t play this week, it is highly likely that we are all going to die. Okay, maybe some over-exaggeration…

With Sam Gibson having only played one game and Crozier the only other rookie screaming out of consideration, the dilemma of should you hold or should you fold has never been more important. If you need cash for your final upgrades, you must take a risk and cash in your cows. With some rather high break evens, Devon Smith (102) and Adam Treloar (113), unless you are planning on keeping these rookies, it’s time to move them on.


Do not say the B word!

Every time something new and exciting comes along, there is a tendency to try to compare it to what has been before. In the weather, it’s the biggest storm since the great flood of ‘88, in food, it’s the best thing since sliced bread, in the AFL Fantasy Football circles, it’s The Next B… loody comparison.

In 2010 there was a mature age rookie who not only lit up the Fremantle supports, he also set Fantasy Football Coaches hearts soaring. The man, in his debut season averaged 109.8 until an untimely end (thanks to everyone’s favourite Dream Team player: Rhys Palmer) saw him sitting out the rest of the season injured.

So it was of little surprise what happened in 2011 when a mature aged rookie for Carlton Football Club by the name of Ed Curnow debuted. He showed promising ball winning ability and high scoring potential for coaches. Within hours of his first game where he scored 107 points he was being touted as The Next Big Thing, and coaches couldn’t help but drawn comparisons to the Fremantle Star who came before him. Sadly, this cursed young Edward, and he went down with an injury shoulder injury soon after, and was to be never heard of again.

In 2012, the Gold Coast Suns debuted another mature age rookie. He too was labelled The New Benchmark. The next week Kyla Horsley was sh*t, and then he stayed home and played scrabble the week after that. This brings us to now, and Dayne Zorko. A mature aged recruit from the Brisbane Lions, with huge scoring potential, and the weight of Dream Team coaches on his shoulders is starting to build. Dayne is his own man; he will play the game his way. Do not curse him friendly coaches, do not weigh him down with expectation, just sit back, enjoy, and don’t even f**king think of calling him The Next Barlow!



Last week when I sat down during half time of the Queens Birthday match to write the Makers, I’ll admit, I cried a little. Not happy tears either. Thankfully, the Dynamic Duo (Beams and Sidebottom) managed to turn that frown upside down and not only supply Dream Team coaches with something to smile about, but spots four and five in the Makers. But that was last week. This week , there are Makers a plenty, and narrowing down the field of who should be and shouldn’t be in the Makers has been a painful, yet joyous exercise. This weeks top five Makers are all popular picks, as a big score from a unique pick in a Multi Bye Round is like an pleasant voice on a fashion model. Nice to have, but not really all that important.

Let’s start with the standout, Dayne Zorko. Zorks smashed out an attractive score of 140 this week, and to make it even more enjoyable, I doubt anyone had the pain of missing out on these points with him sitting on his bench. He managed to kick three goals straight amongst his twenty-four possessions, which included seven tackles, nine marks and a beautiful ratio of three kicks for every one handball. This all added up to him being the highest scoring Forward eligible player of the round. Zorks also shot up roughly $70,000 in price, and removing his sub affected 26 on debut, he is averaging 108 from his last four. What a sexy beast!

Although not the highest scoring Defender (that title goes to Nathan Grima with a whooping 132), Brian Lake managed to temporarily distract a quarter of all coaches of teammate Ryan ‘But I’m Le Tired’ Hargrave’s late withdrawal. His final score of 112 was largely inflated with a nice 41 point fourth quarter against the Power, however in a round that depended on every man doing the best they can, Lake managed to produce a great response to his previous poor showings of 52 and 49. He has now produced six scores over 90 out of the ten games he has played. Not bad for a defender who looked like having retirement forced upon him last season.

Midfielders round out the Markers this week, with Scott Thompson, Matthew Boyd and Gary Ablett scoring 141, 133 and 148 respectively. The three high scoring ball magnets stood up when it mattered, with a combined total of 115 possessions (39, 34 and 42) in a round where one of these three were most likely to be your captain. All three featured in the top five scores of the round, and with only Nic Natinui or Dayne Zorko the other two top scoring players, the most you could have missed out on in your captaincy differential with these players were fifteen points (presuming you own all three). With Gary Ablett having proven his point, Scott Thompson showing he can stand up in a close match without downhill skiing, and Matthew Boyd continuing his fine form, if you don’t own any of these three, it could well be worth looking at why not?

Honourable mentions go to: Nathan Grima, Ivan Maric, Nic Naitanui, Andrew Carrazzo, Brent Harvey, Drew Petrie, Lance Franklin and Robert Murphy.



Now I don’t want to cast stones as we all have differing opinions, and we all know how much the world loves a keyboard warrior, but last week, Dr Dreamteam suggested it was time to invest in this week’s number one Breaker, Chris Judd.  In his AFL sanctioned article [] which is read by casual and amateur Dream Teamers everywhere (well, mainly at school or living at home with their parents) the good doctor believed that the former Eagle was ready to turn his season around from it’s 93 point average. Well he did turn it around. He slammed on the breaks, did a U-ey and pumped out a pathetic 61 points for the % of coaches who own him. The bye could not come at a better time for Judd.

Power Forward cousins Nick Riewoldt and Jack Riewoldt punished coaches this week, with dismal outings in games they were expected to tear apart. Jumping Jack was very well held by Mohr, who obviously learnt his lesson after getting destroyed down at Manuka during the final NAB round. Although kicking three goals (mostly at ground level), Jack just could not get rolling, being completely held out of the contest in the second quarter with zero touches.

Nick, who St Kilda deny was injured at training last week before the game, spent much of the first quarter jogging in front of the channel seven camera in the change rooms during the Friday night clash against the crows. Thankfully for his owners he got into the game in the last quarter, and kicked two goals for the match, as at three quarter time he was on a mere 22 points.

Although it is unfair to expect Jason Blake to continue his run of form as when he played the sole ruckman for the Saints as his last three weeks, nobody would have expected McEvoy’s inclusion to drop Blake’s output by as much as it did. With some coaches picking up the Defender as a Point of Difference (POD) coming off 94, 75 & 131, Jason was subbed out in the third quarter with a miserable score of 5. Talk about a POD you don’t want!

And finally, as much as I do not like seeing rookies included in any negative list, it is impossible to ignore Adam Treloar’s score of 17, which was not injury, or sub affected. The rookie Giant just could not get going in the wet down at Skoda in front of 7,000 fans and a couple of lost tourists from Parramatta. Whilst Toby Greene and Jeremy Cameron pumped out nice scores of 87 a piece, Treloar limped to just above his minimal breakeven, giving away three free kicks in the process, and ending as the lowest scoring player on the field, excluding Brett O’Hanlon, who had about six minutes of game time in which he managed to score half of Adam’s total points.

Dishonourable mentions go to: Devon Smith, Chris Yarran, Brendan Goddard, Patrick Dangerfield, David Hale and Robbie Warnock.


Tweet Me Nicely

It’s a good question, with a rather simple answer, no. But don’t go off racing to the trade table just yet! Both Dylan Sheil and James McDonald still have reachable break evens this week, at 58 and 66 each (which is approximately fifteen points below their season averages of 72 and 81). And even better, they are coming up against theDees.

Unlike the bottom of the table Giants, the Demons really do leak points left, right and centre. But not only does that mean potential for both of the GWS boys to score big, but it also means James McDonald will be up against his old club, and just about bet your bottom dollar that (if fit) Sheedy will be playing McDonald (and Scully) in the centre square.

I should probably also take this opportunity to explain why we are starting to see the GWS players drop off a bit. Not only are the players either quite young, or quite old, and are playing very tough contested football (which would be reason enough), but including the NAB Cup, the Giants have played at: AAMI, ANZ , Aurora, Blundstone, BISP x2, Etihad, The Gabba, Lavington, Manuka x3, Skoda x2 and Simmonds Stadium. This week they will play at the MCG which will be the 12th ground they have played at this year (out of 16 possible matches), whereby not a round has gone by where they have not had to do a return interstate flight, and still doesn’t include a trip to Perth. It’s enough to make anyone tired, and this is why there is significant importance on rotating these young players.

So hold a week (on trading these two) and then get rid of them (preferably through upgrading), as after next week it’ll only get harder; coming up against both Sydney (ANZ) and Hawthorn (MCG).


This is a great question and it comes down to a matter of opinion. Both players can score massive, and both have a tendency to go missing (at times). They both know how to finish off a season (Goodes averaged 112 over his last five games last year, Beams averaged 123) and they have both also had issues with their groins in the past 12 months.

To be honest, as much as I would like to think that Goodes still has plenty to look forward to, and despite how long he has been a stalwart of the AFL Dream Team community, it is near on impossible task to overlook Beams in his current form. Let’s take a look at his recent run:

Dayne has knocked up six hundreds this season, and in his past seven games has averaged 124. He is playing this week against the Eagles, who are his third favourite team to play against (averaging 105 against them) at the MCG where he just scored a salivating 155. He is the eighth highest scoring Midfielder in the competition (and the second highest scoring Forward) at an average of just under 112 points per game, and he is in a team that plays free flowing, high scoring, Dream Team friendly football.

Actually, I changed my mind. It’s not a matter of opinion at all… You Must Get Beams!


As you may have noticed I got to this earlier as it is a pretty pressing issue for most coaches. With some rookies really not doing very well in the past few games, you do have to look for downgrade targets, but finding them isn’t easy. Bradley Hill from the Hawks looks promising after starting a sub and is still fairly cheap ($135,000), Sam Gibson got off to a slow start but seemed more comfortable as the game went on, and Dual Position Player Hayden Crozier is ‘on the bubble’ (meaning he has played two games and ready for his first price rise). Tom Mitchell and Tom Couch are absolutely killing it in the VFL, but you may have to weigh up if you want team structure vs. more donuts if you bring them in this week.

My best advice is keep checking in with the other DTTalk boys over the course of this week, with Chook likely to have some answers later in the week, Aki looking at it in his weekly Market Watch, and Roy, Calvin and Warnie likely to have a few ideas of their own come team selections on Thursday’s live show.


Next Week

So next week is the final MBR, and the one which was flagged at the start of the season as the most devastating to our backline. Popular backs in Goddard, Deledio, Scotland, Ellis, Morris, Suckling and Birchall, as well as Ablett, Martin, Mitchell, Horsley and Robinson all feature in more than 15% of teams and will all miss. Alongside them: Ebert, Cotchin, Hayes, Montagna, Grigg, Dal Santo, Cornes, Foley, Ellard, Iles, Steven and Judd are all PODs that are averaging over 90 who will be also causing you headaches.

Whatever you do, and however you trade, make sure that it fits your overall team structure; as many experienced coaches aim to have their team set coming into round 14, with very limited trades remaining. Also make sure you check your bench, and only trade if you have to! Last week, an experienced and successful Dream Team coach realised half way through Friday night’s game that by brining Priddis in to his team, he now had seven premium Midfielders with no MID/FWD link. Sound good and can’t see the problem? There are only six playing spots on in the midfield! All because he forgot to double check what his team would look like after the bye round.

There’s no partial lockout this week, and no games on Monday, so hopefully there will be no second guessing (more than usual) in the team selections. Good luck, happy trading, and keep dreaming! Oh yeah, and tbetta should be back next week!


Gotta a grenade of your own to throw? Let us know below!



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    June 19, 2012 at 12:58 am

    Dunno what happened there….
    Great article Griff.
    Bit of a dilemna (dilemma?) this week. Got 2 spots left in my backline, 1 will be Carrots in a couple of weeks, the other I want to do this week to secure my main league win. It will be Ellis>Someone… Looking at M. Johnson, Grimes, Heppell and Broughton. Leaning towards Johnson at the moment but struggling to bite the bullet and do it. Any thoughts would be appreciated

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      June 19, 2012 at 5:33 am

      Some good choices there, definitely a tough call. I’d go with either Heppell or Broughton myself, leaning more towards Broughton mainly due to his consistency.

      Go Johnson if you don’t mind the high risk, although in the role that Lyon’s got him playing atm, I’d say he’s definitely worth a look. Running free off the half back and racking up the possessions makes for a good DT score return.

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        Serenity Now

        June 19, 2012 at 10:32 am

        I am going Johnson myself over those other two. He is scoring well in his current role and importantly I still have Smedts in the fwd line with the def/fwd link so I will be able to swing Johnson fwd or back as the need arises.

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      June 19, 2012 at 10:51 am

      Ok cheers guys, I think I’m gonna leave Heppell as I’m a little worried about him being rested during DT finals. And, thinking about it more now, Broughton’s role might be little shady when Fyfe comes back sooo… Welcome MJ

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    June 19, 2012 at 2:25 am

    went up nearly 30,000 places this week…at this rate i’ll be winning in two weeks so why trade???

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      June 19, 2012 at 8:36 am

      Using my Dpp link would be a good trade to get hall out Priddis in

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      June 19, 2012 at 5:08 pm

      Yeah, with 12 donuts in both your def & fwds this week- definitely not worth trading! ;)

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    June 19, 2012 at 8:33 am

    Anyone know how long Morris is out for?

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      We Got Big Cox

      June 19, 2012 at 8:50 am

      trade him if you can, he has maxed in price..
      im upgrading him to waters this week.

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      June 19, 2012 at 11:47 am

      with the heavy rd13def weightings, i would be dumping morris this week if you havent already

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    Genghis Khan

    June 19, 2012 at 9:17 am

    Good Stuff Griff. No trades for me this week with the team sitting pretty.
    Will also be keeping the great S Pendlebury…

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    June 19, 2012 at 9:26 am

    4 Trades Left. Keep of Trade Pendlebury to Watson

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      June 19, 2012 at 10:07 am

      Keep Pendles, hold them trades. you are running low

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      June 19, 2012 at 12:33 pm

      You have too few trades to do this… four is enough for the Prelim and GF, you’re hoping to get through the next 8 games plus those?!

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    June 19, 2012 at 9:27 am

    Hey, do you guys think i should upgrade giles for goldstein with 7 trades left and next week trade hargrave for cararzzo ???

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      PurpleArmy (aka Space Goats)

      June 19, 2012 at 10:05 am

      no to both

      Giles is a keeper, he’s had a 2 week break (one was “injured”) so he should be good for the rest of the year, everyone is forgetting about Hmac, when he comes back which will be in the important end of the year (finals) his scores may be the same as Giles

      Hargrave has been up and down but it depends how much cash you have, if you have enough to go from someone like morris/ellis – Carrazzo then do that if not then its up too you

      My team will be complete in a fortnight when Carrazzo comes back in and i will have 6 trades left and im a bit scared so every trade is priceless

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        June 19, 2012 at 10:15 am

        We are in same posi, carrots finishes my team as well.

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          June 19, 2012 at 11:09 am

          I have 4 rookies in my starting team (including giles)

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        June 19, 2012 at 12:22 pm

        Also remember when he was playing in the same team with H Mac his scores dropped and he eventually got dropped

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    June 19, 2012 at 9:41 am

    4 trades left. Keep or Trade Pendlebury to Watson

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      June 19, 2012 at 10:20 am

      4 trades left and you’re considering trading out a guy who’ll be back in 2-3 weeks and is a proven superstar.
      That’ll leave you 3 trades for the season.
      Mate, is it too late to join your league.

      I’ve got 13 trades left looking at a couple this week and I’m getting nervous about running out.

      I’m constantly amazed in reading people having 4-5 trades left with 10-11 rounds to go.
      Do you all forget the round 24 carnage of last year, Enright, Selwood, 8 hawk guns all rested.
      This Hawks play GC in round 21, it may be different if theyre playing for a top 4 spot.
      Adelaide play Melbourne in 22 and GC in 23.
      Will there be players rested; who knows…..

      To each their own.

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        June 19, 2012 at 12:20 pm

        I am 10 after 2 trades this week. I agree with you I can’t believe that people have so little trades. All I can think is that they have made a lot of sideways trades and been impatient covering 2-3 week injuries.

        13 is very handy but keep in mind I heard the winner last year had 5 left mid season. If your side is finished that’s awesome, if not I’d keep using your trades till your team is finished. The earlier your team is finished the earlier you score big. Don’t go as far as going down to 3 or 4, but with 13 left keep in mind you have a lot more than others so don’t be too cautious.

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    June 19, 2012 at 10:02 am

    My 7 bench players for this week scored 786 points between them last week. That is a lot of scoring power on the bench, but I’m still hoping for 1 donut and another climb up the rankings. It’d be interesting to know the best scores over the 3 bye rounds. I would expect my 3599 so far is above par.

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      June 19, 2012 at 10:04 am

      So that’s 3599 with 1 donut to come (hopefully). Anyone better?

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    June 19, 2012 at 10:07 am

    my trades this week are
    Horsley —-> swan
    Zaharakis —–> Beams
    Pheiffer ——-> Couch
    I know couch might not play at this stage but i needed a rock bottom priced DPP to have coin for other trades. Leaves me with 7 trades and only have to upgrade Porplyzia —–> Goodes in next couple weeks to have a complete side.

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      June 19, 2012 at 11:17 am

      sounds good, but just like you i am desperate for couch to play so i can trade him in to complete my two premo upgrades!

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      June 19, 2012 at 12:13 pm

      Props showed signs that he might be a possible keeper as a 7th forward. 20 possession and 3-4 goals. You might be able to save a trade there

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    June 19, 2012 at 10:32 am

    Victoria Pop: 5.55m DT Entries: 89165 DT%: 1.6%
    WA Pop: 2.35m DT Entries: 60833 DT%: 2.6%
    SA Pop: 1.64m DT Entries: 48652 DT%: 3.0%
    Tas Pop: Pop 508k DT Entries: 16317 DT%: 3.2%

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    June 19, 2012 at 11:05 am

    DEF: B.Deledio, B.Goddard, G.Broughton, B.Waters, J.Grimes, R.Hargrave, S.Shaw, (S.Darley, S.Morris)
    MID: B.Stanton, M.Boyd, G.Ablett, S.Mitchell, D.Swan, J.Selwood (D.Zorko, M.Williams)
    RUC: I. Maric, J.Giles (O. Stephenson, J. Redden)
    FWD: L.Franklin, S.Sidebottom, M.Robinson, D.Beams, S.Johnson, P.Dangerfield, D.Martin (T.Adams, A.Hall)

    Thoughts on:


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      June 19, 2012 at 11:19 am

      Horlin-Smith? I reckon better taking a punt on another rookie like couch even. Horlin smith hardly ever gets a game.

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      June 19, 2012 at 12:06 pm

      Yeah I don’t think Horlin-Smith is worthwhile. Nor the Dusty>Chappy trade. Morris>Johnson is good though.
      Looking at your team I’m assuming you’re in a decent league position already, so I’d cop the other donuts this round and save the other trades for Gravy>Scotland/Carrots, Redden/BigO > Cox or something

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        We Got Big Cox

        June 19, 2012 at 12:34 pm

        gravy to carrots in 2 weeks for sure!

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    June 19, 2012 at 11:27 am

    Hey Griff,
    you are a funny guy . Thanks.

    Is it my imagination, or does your photo get bigger every week?? :-D

    That’s alright, you grab your Andy Warhol 5 mins. and run with it. :-)

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      June 19, 2012 at 2:27 pm

      just your imagination… which is kinda weird

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        June 19, 2012 at 3:16 pm

        :-D yeah, probably just growing in stature.

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    June 19, 2012 at 11:36 am

    guys advice please watson or Sidebutt for last p

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      Albert Lloyd

      June 19, 2012 at 11:41 am


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      June 19, 2012 at 12:06 pm

      Would the dpp link add flexibility to your side and allow you to cover injuries? If this is the case I’d go sidebottom, if you already have the dpp link then Watson

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    Albert Lloyd

    June 19, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Everyone see that Swan is up on a tripping charge this week?

    Uh ohs..

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      June 19, 2012 at 11:53 am

      its not gonna get him suspended though I think

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        June 19, 2012 at 12:05 pm

        That’s correct he will just incur more carry over points over the next 12 months. The incident gets a reprimand and 60 carry over points, but reduced to 45 with a guilty plea, if he challenges and fails, will be 60 points.

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      June 19, 2012 at 5:00 pm

      Lol he’s just having a free whack at getting 45 points off

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    June 19, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    12 trades

    (B Deledio), (B Goddard), J Grimes, D Heppell, M Clarke, T Bugg, D Nicholson, [S Shaw, (B Ellis)]

    J Watson, (G Ablett), D Beams, (S Mitchell), M Barlow, (L Hayes), [D Shiel, D Zorko]

    H McIntosh (inj), J Giles (inj), [J Redden, A Phillips]

    (L Franklin), S Sidebottom, M Robinson, P Dangerfield, (D Martin), D Zaharakis (inj), J Porplyzia, [D Smith, A Treloar]

    I’m thinking:
    Porpoise > [premium mid] via Beams, completing my Mids (’til finals) and Fwds (bar Zaharakis’s untimely departure)
    …and shafting Smith and/or Treloar for rookies to avoid price plummets

    I don’t really want to fork out the full amount for Swan, I think there’s better value out there.

    Boyd, Redden or Thompson?
    And should I knee-jerk on those GWS boys?

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      June 19, 2012 at 12:29 pm

      The ‘value’ you speak of is only relevant if you can use the extra cash to upgrade another player elsewhere. Otherwise Swan is worth every cent.

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        June 19, 2012 at 12:36 pm

        For example I went for Treloar to Thompson this week as he is 80k cheaper than Ablett, and as a result I can upgrade Giles to Maric next week and a rookie defender (Sam Shaw hopefully) to Carrots in two weeks.

        So assuming the following averages from here to rd 23

        Ablett 125 (+50 on Treloar)
        Thompson 115 (+40 on Treloar)
        Carrots 100 (+35 on Shaw)
        Maric 100 (+20 on Giles)

        Ablett and Carrots would give me 85pts more a week

        Thommo, Carrots, Maric would give me 95pts more a week

        These are obviously estimates. Some people might say its not worth it but I think it is.

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      We Got Big Cox

      June 19, 2012 at 12:30 pm

      if smith/treloar are only there to make you some cash, you may aswell offload them now.

      I have treloar and zorko, putting zorko up forward this week and downgrading treloar to gibson.
      ultimately, I am planning on having zorko as F7.
      beyond this week, gibson will be warming my bench with 6 premo mids onfield, so not too fussed if he is a flash in the pan.

      boyd is a great option, always consistent.
      thompson has been up and down, but still worth looking at.
      not sure about redden.

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      June 19, 2012 at 1:39 pm

      dont get rid of porps, are u stupid?
      Get rid of smith trelor and i dont know why u are holding zaha so piss him off too.
      put in someone like couch who is DPP and cheap as chips then get swan and chapman if u have the money.
      Lets be serious porps is avg around 75 and doesnt really get a SHIT score like trelors 21. His BE is around 50 so he still has money to make and bigger scores to make IMO. Offload your cash cows and upgrade as much as possible chapman will make your fwds elite and swan is worth every cent u pay for him


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    June 19, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    Tom Campbell might be a chance this week??…….. with Minson having a verbal rest.

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    June 19, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    Should i keep spurr as a d9 and get carrots for hargrave in a couple of weeks, or downgrade morris to shaw and then get carrots for spurr in two weeks?
    Current backline

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      June 19, 2012 at 2:51 pm

      Spurr’s out of favour, upgrading him to carrots or downgrading to shaw is the best way. Morris will play, just injured atm

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        June 19, 2012 at 5:37 pm

        spurr will play i reckon…….

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    June 19, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    WTF happeneded to ‘The Numbers’ articles. McRath just disappeared

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      June 19, 2012 at 3:10 pm

      Went on leave for a bit I think

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    June 19, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    Backline: Deledio, Goddard, Waters, Adcock, Hurn, Clarke, Bugg, Ellis, Darley

    Mids: Ablett, Boyd, Cotchin, Pendlebury, (Joel) Selwood, Horsley, McDonald, Gibson

    Forward: Franklin, Sidebottom, Beams, (Stevie) Johnson, Dangerfield, Milera Zorko, Treloar, Hall

    Ruck: Maric, Giles, Stephenson, Redden

    9 trades left, $220,000 in the bank.

    1. Thinking on Maric + Cox combination into the finals.
    2. Mids are close to being finalised, thinking on upgrading Horse/McDonald to Swan/Watson.
    3. Defenders are close to being finalised as well, thinking on upgrading Bugg to Carrazzo and Ellis/Darley to Heppell/Broughton/Grimes
    4. Forwards are also close to being finalised (funny that..), thinking on upgrading Treloar/Milera/Hall to Robinson/ Goodes/Chapman

    Any thoughts on which ones to upgrade or any other thoughts in general on my team?


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      June 19, 2012 at 3:53 pm

      More immediate problems would be upgrading Milera in your forward line to a Chappy. Then I would work on upgrading the horse as with the bye this week and his scoring tailing off his price is unlikely to increase rapidly anymore. Bugg is still solid enough in defence while waiting for Carrots and Giles is a more than handy ruckman until finals when a Big Cox could be useful.

      Sounds like a good plan, just be cautious on the number of trades you leave yourself for finals.

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    Albert Lloyd

    June 19, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    Can someone rate my best team when pretty please? (after Carazzo bottoms out)

    B: Heppell, Lake, Goddard, Deledio, Waters, Carazzo, Broughton (Shaw, Ellis)
    M: Swan, Stanton, Thompson, Boyd, Beams, Shiel (Gibson, D. Smith)
    R: Maric, Giles (Redden, Orren)
    F: Franklin, Sidey, Robinson, Martin, Dangerfield, SJ, Zorko (Pfieffer, Hall)

    6 trades, 100K bank


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      June 19, 2012 at 3:18 pm

      Beams should be in your forwards and you should have 6 premo mids, thats where the points are scored after all. I’ll count Beams as a super premo mid because he is that good but you are still playing Shiel on the field and missing out on 30 points a week. If you turned Shiel into Ablett I would rate your team 8.5/10 but as is stands its more of a 7.5

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        Albert Lloyd

        June 19, 2012 at 3:26 pm

        Yeah, I’m usually loathe to have premo FWDs in the mids for obvious reasons but I don’t think he is required in my FWD line with Zorko doing so well. And is he a super premo right now.

        Desperately want to get Ablett in there, but I’d have to do another downgrade leaving me with 4 trades so wary of that.

        But pretty happy with my team/10 at the moment.

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      June 19, 2012 at 3:37 pm

      im in a similar situation with your mids/forwards except i got rid of smith for marley williams. Im considering dropping sheil but he isn’t doing too badly, i need to focus on upgrading my forwards and defenders too at the moment. Will likely drop pfeiffer for beams this week; i can’t see pfeiffer going up any more in value. Im also on 6 trades and will probably use one or two this week, leaving me on the ropes but with what i consider to be reliable players!

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    June 19, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    B: H.Shaw, G.Broughton, B.Goddard, B.Deledio, R.Hargrave, B.Lake, A.Carazzo ( T.Mohr, S.Shaw)

    M: G.Ablett, S.Pendlebury, D.Swan, M.Priddis, M.Boyd, L.Hayes (J.Mcdonald, S.Gibson)

    R: T.Goldstein, Giles (Redden, O.Stephenson)

    F: L.Franklin, D.Martin, P.Chapman, S.Sidebottom, P.Dangerfield, T.Cloke, D.Zorko, (A.Trealor , S.Kerridge)

    Pretty Good Team if i do say so myself
    Goldstein still has a few weeks to raise in price, then Nic Nat, im coming for you

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      Albert Lloyd

      June 19, 2012 at 4:06 pm

      Goldstein a keeper at least until HMac comes back

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      June 19, 2012 at 4:26 pm

      Goldstein > NN is a horrible idea. It’s not like there’s going to be any value in NicNat (unless he gets concussed one game or something). If HMac comes back and threatens Goldy’s scoring (and you have enough trades left) then look for the best availabel ruckman at the time (I’m guessing it will be Cox).

      This team is reasonable, but has some obvious weaknesses.

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        June 19, 2012 at 4:41 pm

        Obvious weaknesses? Name one?

        I think its a very nice looking team. Its not perfect, but no one’s team is.

        I would be quite happy with that team and I would keep your trades. Zorko is the only one that you might consider upgrading but after last weeks massive score it’s worth sticking with him to see if he can keep it up.

        I agree about not getting in Nic Nat though. Goldstein seems to do awesome with H Mac out of the team so keep him at least till H Mac comes in.

        Nic Nat is averaging under 90 for the season, and that average would be lower if not for his big game on the weekend.

        I would only consider getting Nic Nat in my team if he can do that a few weeks in a row.

        Don’t chase one big score, most of the time it backfires, wait till he shows some consistency

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          June 19, 2012 at 5:16 pm

          His starters are mostly fine, although some of them have question marks. However, I don’t like the cover that he has. Unless you have a huge number of trades left I think you will need 29 players (you can probably exclude R4) to finish strongly.

          Kerridge isn’t and won’t be getting a game any time soon, JMac could well be put on ice at some point and Mohr is a very average scorer. On the whole I think that it is good, but it’s not the best team I’ve seen.

          I have no problem at all with Zorko at F7, in fact I will be starting him over Martin in Rd 14 if everything goes to plan.

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    June 19, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    Team currently:
    Backs: Lids, BJ, Beau, Broughton, Birchall, Suckling, Hargrave, Darley, Shaw
    Mid: Boyd, Ablett, Thompson, J. Selwood, Cotchin, Hayes, Barlow, Gibson
    Ruck: Cox, Giles, T Campbell, Pattison
    Fwd: Buddy, Sidebottom, Dangerfield, N Riewoldt, Martin, Bennell, Rioli, Porpus, Zorko.

    7 Trades 230k in bank
    Do you think it would be better to get some ruck backup as it is unknown about Giles injury or to get Carrots in for Darley when he bottoms out as I am sick of riding the Hargrave rollercoaster?


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      June 19, 2012 at 4:05 pm

      Last week I read Giles is only out for a week. Just keep an eye on the sides, if he is named save a trade. If he isn’t named then consider back up

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    June 19, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    Some encouraging news from Freo’s website: “Lyon said a number of the club’s players performed well at WAFL level on the weekend and were pushing for selection, including Anthony Morabito, Tom Sheridan, Peter Faulks, Lee Spurr and Michael Walters.”

    Even if he doesn’t get a game it’s nice to know Lee Spurr hasn’t been forgotten about. All I want is 2 or 3 more games just to make a bit of cash. Fingers crossed he is in this week to save a donut

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      June 19, 2012 at 4:10 pm

      I wouldn’t hold your breath. He’s on quite a long list with 4 other battlers. Given Freo had such a good win last start I doubt they’ll be ringing the changes.

      He’s hardly going to say “I hope we don’t get any injuries because all our WAFL players are rubbish.”

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    June 19, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    Def: Goddard, Delidio, Heppell, Birchall, Waters, Hargrave, Ellis (Bootsma, Darley)

    Mid: Pendles, Boyd, Ablett, Thompson, Mitchell, Swan (Shiel, Zorko)

    Ruc: Goldstein, Giles (Stephenson,Redden)

    Fwd: Sidey, Buddy, Robinson, Zaharakis, Martin, Sexton, Dangerfield (Hall, Trealor)

    45,000 in the bank 8 trades left

    Thoughts on trades to complete my team?????

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      June 19, 2012 at 4:15 pm

      I would trade hargrave to carrots

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      June 19, 2012 at 4:18 pm

      If I was you I’d consider

      Shiel > Gibson
      Ellis/Bootsma > Grimes/Adcock/Johnson

      for this week, as your defence has serious issues. Otherwise you could upgrade Hall to Beams which would leave the worse of Martin and Zorko as bench cover.

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        June 19, 2012 at 5:47 pm

        na just wait two weeks and get carrots for ellis.

        Keep Hargrave, I know he is a piss off, for everyone, but he’s at worst a d7.

        But Shiel to Gibson yes.

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          June 19, 2012 at 5:48 pm

          and im sure you will swap zorko with sexton and start him no matter what week it is

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    June 19, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    do u guys suggest anything?

    Def: Goddard, Delidio, H.Shaw, Birchall, Suckling, Hargrave, Ellis (,Spurr, S.Shaw)

    Mid: Pendles, Boyd, Ablett, Stanton, Mitchell, Horesley J-mac, curtly hampton)

    Ruc :Cox, Giles (Stephenson,Redden)

    Fwd: Sidey, Buddy, Robinson, Chapman, Martin ,Beams,Zorko (cameron, Kennedy)

    $154,700 in the bank 8 trades left

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      June 19, 2012 at 4:29 pm

      Horsley > Gibson is a no brainer.

      Then you may be able to manage upgrades to Ellis and JMac this week. What trades you do depends on whether you care about overall or need need a league win this week.

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        June 19, 2012 at 4:32 pm

        I would upgrade J Mac not Horsley (if possible)

        J Mac got rested for 2 games and might get rested for more later in the year.

        I think Horsley will be a very handy back up midfielder to cover short term injuries.

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      June 19, 2012 at 4:30 pm

      An extra premium in defence and mids would be prefferable but 8 trades isn’t a lot.

      Upgrade Old Mac to a premium and keep 6 trades for Long Term Injuries and league finals.

      Also if I was you I would start Sam Shaw on the ground because Ellis has had quite a few vests, and I don’t see Shaw getting any

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    Waltzing Matera

    June 19, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    Just a word of warning for those umming and ahhing about finalising their midfield and thinking about S.Thompson. On a positive note Adelaide have a soft draw over the DT finals (rds 20-23) playing Freo, Brisbane, Melb & G Coast, however Sando is on the record as saying he will rest players if in a position to do so. As someone else on here would say…”make of this what you will”

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    June 19, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    Is it just me or are comments really slow to load tonight?

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    June 19, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    Here is my team as it will be, ‘complete’, heading into Round 15:

    Deledio, Goddard, M.Johnson, Broughton, Carazzo, Grimes, Lake (Clarke, S.Shaw)

    Swan, GAJ, Pendles, Thompson, Hayes, Priddis (Williams, Gibson)

    Maric, Jacobs (Stephenson, Redden)

    Franklin, Beams, Sidebottom, Dangerfield, Martin, Cloke, Zorko (Elliott, Patton)

    I will have 5 trades left, and bit of coin I think – maybe 100K?

    I think my backline is strong and a little different without Scotland or any Hawks.
    I will be tempted at some stage to luxury upgrade Hayes to Boyd, Watson or Stanton (or even Daisy)
    People will see Martin and Cloke as weak links but I foresee them both averaging very nicely over the back half of the year.

    I would be interested to see how folks would rate it out of 10

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      Chuck Norris

      June 19, 2012 at 6:19 pm

      9.75! Looks great especially still with 5 trades left for LTIs or the like.
      What are you ranked, must be pretty high.

      Only flaw is that it seems you are missing that one “super-premo” that can push your score that bit higher but as you say it would be a luxury trade so maybe if you still have a few trades left going into the final rounds then bring in a Boyd, Watson etc.

      Other than that looks solid. Btw out of curiosity, have you already traded in Patton? At $180k, he’s a bit too expensive in my mind. Definitely good JS though.

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        June 19, 2012 at 7:29 pm

        I did it just to try to win my league match last week (grudge match). Lost by 3 points. There was just no one else in the forwards. I agree that it wasn’t ideal, but at least he is reasonably likely to play out the season – much better job security than any of the alternatives.

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        June 19, 2012 at 7:31 pm

        Oh and I’m ranked 3871. Having Cloke from the start hasn’t helped – neither did owning Didak for three weeks. Goddamn heart ruling head ;)

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      June 19, 2012 at 6:37 pm

      I’ll give you a 7.5.

      Your last 3 forwards could really hurt you on a bad week – Martin – Cloke -Zorko and no decent cover, also your mid cover is weak without seeing if Gibson will stick.

      I’d take your 100G and make Hayes Boyd/Watson/Stanton or even Mitchell at a push.

      Good team, but I wouldn’t be afraid if I got you in a final.

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      Ridley U

      June 19, 2012 at 10:32 pm

      I will give you 9/10 but only due to bench cover. I love teams that are different to the norm. No backs from the Hawks. I have also taken the same approach just to be different. I would upgrade Hayes to Jelwood to keep the POD going.

      Great stuff mate.

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    June 19, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    Hey guys,

    Any views on the team below?

    Def: Deledio, Goddard, Waters, H Shaw, Birchall, M Johnson, S Shaw (Spurr, Darley)

    Mid: Boyd, Pendles, Selwood, Priddis, Mitchell, Ablett (Gibson, Sexton)

    Ruck: Cox, Goldstein (Stephenson, Redden)

    FWD: Franklin, Sidey, Chapman, Johnson, Martin, Robinson, Dangerfield. (Zorko, Dickson)

    6 trades, 28K

    Backs needing work: looking to downgrade Dickson once he peaks and pick up Scotland/Carrots. Zorko will remain the gap-filler for Pendles and other short-term injuries.

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      June 19, 2012 at 7:13 pm

      Pretty Solid. Maybe Martin to Beams for finals?

      Apart from that I’d be happy with it if D7 getting sorted.

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      June 19, 2012 at 7:41 pm

      It’s a very even team but I think you are lacking an essential midfielder…

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    June 19, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    I have 11 trades left with $279,800 in the bank.

    DEF: Delidio, Goddard, Waters, Birchell, Hargrave, Darley, Sam Shaw, Townsend, Spurr

    MID: Swan, Ablett, Stanton, Boyd, Thompson, Jmac, Horse, Sexton

    RUCK: Cox, Giles, Redden, Stephenson

    FWD: Franklin, Sidebottom, Robinson, Dangerfield, Martin, Cloke, Zorko, Pfierrier, Black

    Any ideas..? thoughts overall..?

    Trades 1: Horse out gibson in ( horse will lose more cash which i dont want, so i will have gibson and sexton sitting on my reserves)


    Trade 2: Dustin Martin out Beams in ( it frees up alot of cash $338,500)

    so by doing this i would turn put with 9 trades left and $338,500 to fix my defence which has the likes of darely, townsend, spurr.
    What do i do with Hargrave???

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    June 20, 2012 at 12:35 am

    I have 200k with 6trades remaining.

    DEF Delidio, Goddard, Broughton, Birchall, Shaw(Heath), Waters, Spurr, Shaw(Sam)

    MID Mitchell, Pendles, Priddis, Swan, Boyd, Zorko, Williams, Gibson

    RUCK Ryder, Giles, Big O, Redden

    FWD Robinson, Danger, Beams, Sidebottom, Porplyzia, Whitecross, Hall, Smith

    This is after I just traded: SHOULD I CHANGE?

    Old Mac>Gibson

    What do people think?

    I want to get Ablett in at some stage to complete my team and look at possibly upgrading Giles for the finals.

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