Roy’s Trade Talk – Rd 15

It certainly wasn’t the way we expected to celebrate the end of the byes with big names dropping like flies on Thursday, Friday, oh and Saturday and Sunday! But either way, it was certainly good to have a full list of teams playing, even at the expense of one trade  per week.

Trade out?

Dan Butler-  Should have been done weeks about, no ability to score.
Toby Nankervis – Another tough match up this week, thanks and goodbye.
Jake Barrett– Had a shocker, but still worth enough to be part of a significant upgrade.
Tom Stewart – Unfortunately injured after really finding his feet lately.
Caleb Marchbank– Contender for ROY, but plenty of value in the backs to upgrade to.

Bargain Cows:

Sean Darcy (RUC, $199,000) BE: 45 – 40 hit outs and an impressive 80.
Alex Witherden (DEF/MID, $225,000) BE: 14 – Looked the best of the Lions kids and got open for plenty of marks.

Big Dawg:

Sam Docherty (DEF, $713,000) So far out of reach for non owners it is ridiculous, but he still needs to be mentioned because he is probably the most important player to own, given he is a defender and has the scoring of an elite premium. He has a five round average of 133 and a three game average of 139 which is nuts. If you can somehow get him without ruining your team by selling the farm, do it.

Steele Sidebottom (MID, $642,000) is officially on fire! He has a five round average of 126 which would have to indicate career best form and the crime here is that only 2% of the competition are enjoying it. He has a great run coming up with games against the Hawks, Bombers, Suns and Eagles where he should continue to rack up.


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Value Premium:

Robbie Gray (FWD, $430,000) is once again great value for a bloke called Robbie Gray! He has finally put a couple of nice games together with scores of 117 and 99 ahead of a game at home against the Tigers. I certainly don’t think this is an indication that he is a shadow of what he has been in the past as he is relying on goals to score but for this price, he is still a good pick.

Bernie Vince (DEF/MID, $408,000) has had a shocking season by his standards, averaging just 77 and dropping $146,000 from his opening price. In the absence of Nathan Jones last week (I might be grasping at straws there) he had his second 100 and highest score of the year with 113 from  27 touches, eight marks and five tackles. He has a break-even of just 56.

DPP:

Sam Menegola (FWD/MID, $523,000) Apart from a blemish in round 13 with 65, Menegola has a low score of 86 for the year while scoring as high as 124 and 133. He scored 124 last week with an awesome game including 22 touches, eight marks, nine tackle and a goal. With Joel Selwood questionable this week, he might need to step up again.

Kobe Stevens (FWD/MID, $517,000) is coming off a great score of 115 where his tackling pressure was phenomenal. He has a five round average of 91 but what I like most is his ability to hit triple figures, doing so in four out of his seven games.

Isaac Heeney (FWD/MID, $550,000) is someone I seen to talk about every week, but given he is only owned by 28% of the competition, it seems I need to keep talking about it. The kid is an absolute superstar with a three round average of 115 and a break even of 75.

As always, use the comment to discuss your trade ideas in the comments, I’m currently:

EVW and Daniel Lloyd
Menegola and Witherden

@RoyDT

194 Comments

  • I’m gonna trade Nank to Gawn.
    Do I do it this week as Gawn will most likely out point Nank OR next week as both will lose money (hopefully Gawn more than Nank) and therefore make a savings on the trade?

    • Wait. Gawn will fall more than Nank over next fortnight.

      • I want to get rid of Nank, but getting rid of Barrett for Trelaor is a bigger priority. I currently have Nank in the forwards so some juggling next week will be required.

      • It won’t matter, Nank will still lose cash, and if you do the maths it’ll only save you around 10k. If you trade him to Gawn now, you’ll get more points.

    • Nank should be good for about 60… Gawn could go 110+. So if you’d rather give up points than dosh, then wait. Otherwise pull the trigger amigo!

    • Don’t do it this week! BE is like 150 for Gawny and he’s sore. Wait one more week, and if you can’t, trade out Nank to the forward line and grab someone cheap.

  • Trade stable money injured Beams & Stewart or trade losing money players Nank & Barrett?

    • If you have or want to trade losing players in the next few weeks anyway then do it now to preserve their price. Injured players buys you time with these

      • Leaving Beams on the bench equals leaving a lot of coin on the bench. Trade injured premo’s, injured rooks not so much.

        • yeah, im trading marchbank ahead of stewart for this reason, MB will be worth less next week but stewart will hold price. Beams however represents a 120 score sitting on the bench, better off sideways trading to a premo that will play on field for a almost guaranteed ton

  • Is noone else worried that Menegola’s scores have been a touch lower since Scooter stole his centre stoppage time? Big score this week only because J Selwood on the pine. Im thinking hes a 90-95, not a 95-100 player for the remainder.

    • had 92, 99, 86 and 65 against the eagles but scooter was off in the 2nd half, is a bit up in the air as to what he will average is prob worth the punt as he is a good forward pod

    • Can’t afford not to have someone that pumps out 100s in the forward line. I put him on par with Heeney… they’ll have good days and bad

  • 1) Beams and Barrett –> Jake Lloyd and Menegola

    or

    2) Beams and Barrett/Tom Stewart –> Jake Lloyd and Witherden

    Cheers

    • 1st for points 2nd for cash generations whatever u think you need to sort out your side is the best option

    • I guess the obvious answer here is to make sure you get the best side possible. Figure out whether Witherden is someone that’ll be a good stepping stone. Otherwise, Menegola is worth getting in and upgrading to an uber-premium in 4 weeks’ time.

  • Yeo or toby green?

  • In what order should I look to be trading out is week

    Marchbank – on field
    Stewart – 2nd bench

    Nank – on field
    Butler – 1st bench

  • Marchbank to Vince
    Barrett to Sheed/Menegola/McCrae

    Pending Ablett being back this week.

  • Top 6 forwards???

    • 1. Yeo
      2. Heeney
      3. Macrae
      4. Menegola
      5. Buddy
      6. Greene/ Riewoldt/Smith/Hill/Stevens

    • Would argue a clear top 4:

      1. Yeo
      2. Heeney
      3. Macrae
      4. Greene

      Then in my book it would be:

      5. Menegola
      6. Billings

      But you could make a good case for any of Buddy/Stevens/Riewoldt/Smith/Hill for 5th or 6th I think

  • Jeppa’s never coming back, is he…?

    • I expect Newton’s 3rd Law will resolve the situation.

      With apologies for any stretching in the analogy, complete attention to the junior at home will at some point reach a point of tension that will have Jeppa’s attention bounce back to the juniors on the hallowed turf once again . . .

      . . . out of necessity.

      (no cynicism implied – just Newton’s 3rd law at work!)

      • Hope you’re right because if he doesn’t come back I’ll be led to think there’s something wrong with the vibes I’m sending. I hope he doesn’t take them the wrong way… that handsome devil!

  • Lance franklin/ nick Riewoldt &a Bernie vince/Jason johannisen

    Or

    Robbie gray / Michael Hibberd or any defender under $490k

    Cheers for any help

  • Backs – rory laird, kade simpson, zach tuohy, nic newman, Andrew mcgrath, luke ryan, mitchell hibberd, tim mohr

    Mids – tom mitchell, tom rockliff, andrew gaff, matt crouch, marc murphy, dyson heppell, jobe watson, declan mountford, josh deluca, nathan freeman

    Rucks – todd goldstein, ben mcevoy, mitchell king, lewis pierce
    
Forwards – elliot yeo, isaac heeney, lance franklin, hugh greenwood, jono beech, nick riewoldt, jarrod pickett, darcy cameron


    I need a bit of help with two trades this week.
I have 53 k in the bank .
Help really appreciated

  • Billings or heeney?

  • Walters, Gray or Vince? I feel like vince won’t score as well as the other 2 and Walters is probably a bit risky, so leaning towards gray.

    • You could get a better price rise from Vince and Gray (than Walters) if they steady the ship with their scores. Vince probably has the benefit of having more midfield time over the next month with Jones out (arguably the main reason for his ton score last week). You would expect him to score better over that time given an adjusted role. Robby Gray seems to have his mojo back, but with his score relying on sausage rolls conjured while on forward duty, there is a caveat on ‘ton’ scores. I happily have Gray (from a trade a month ago) but not Vince, but if I had neither I think that in looking to the next four weeks, I would favour Vince who, as the mouse (up to this point in the season), has the advantage of being able to play while the cat is away.
      As for Walters, he doesn’t seem to quite provide the same opportunities.

  • Who is the best forward to get for $490k or less??

    Thinking honestly only between travis boak and Robbie gray
    Anyone else have any opinions ?
    Thanks

    • I prefer Papley and Elliott (if back in) over both of those. Hit good scores and are cheaper.

    • Robbie Gray, yes, but don’t expect reliability in his high scores unless he gets more points from midfield time in proportion to sausage rolls from forward time.
      Boak, due to his last 5 average of 76, probably, no.
      Do you have exactly 490k available? If you had 492k you could consider Dahlhaus?
      Or, on the budget side, if Elliot is available this week, you might look at him @435k, last 5 average of 91 and a BE of 52.

  • Top 6 defenders??

    • Docherty, Daylight, Adams, Daylight, umm… Laird / Roberton / Lloyd / Montagna / Houli / Newnes.

      Speculative pick: Harbrow

      • Agreed.
        Doch and Adams clearly.
        Probably Roberton, Lloyd, Laird and Newnes as final 4.
        But many will be similar scorers, Doch/Adams are really the only ones who pump out the occasional 130+ score and are potential captainable.

  • Have some important league matchups starting next week (easy win this week) – not much cash and need to get rid of underperformers… How is this trade for a hail mary?
    Heppell & McGrath out for Hunter & Henderson

    Both PODs and if hitting good scores will be very valuable in matchups, otherwise I can do same old rookie downgrade and bring in same players as opponents like Lloyd, Tuohy etc

    • Hail Mary’s are difficult to reasonably comment on. But the trades are not completely in that category, I think.

      Hunter looks like he is regaining form and is very underpriced. Good BE
      Henderson is under-rated and has form as good as Lloyd (as you already appreciate). Again, good BE

      Offloading Heppell and McGrath for those two is a clear gain, imo. The Hail Mary is from just the unexpected selection (from giving priority to PODs), not so much from throwing all your chips prayerfully into the air!

    • Do that and at some point in the future you’ll want to come back and kick current HeathShawsShankedRedemption in the nuts… sort of like most of us want to do with current HeathShaw.

      • I know little of HeathShawsShankedRedemption’s posting history, but I held off from grabbing Heath Shaw’s nuts . . . though nothing to do with homophobia.

        If I were in possession of them, however, I would have a beer in hand and be listening to Tchaikovsky’s Opus 71a, which is relevantly and well named colloquially (the ‘Nutcracker’ Suite or was it ‘sweet’), and preparing for the finale.

      • I don’t even own Heater, but I love how relevant my name has become

  • Jpk, whitfield, wines or Hanners

    • Bang for buck: Whitfield / Wines –> JPK –> Hanners

      Scoring potential: Hanners / JPK –> Wines –> Whitfield

      Just depends what you’re looking for really.

  • Rank these in order: sheed, yeo, greene, buddy, menengola, riewoldt

    • Yeo – 105+ from here on out
      Menegola, Greene 95
      Franklin 90-95
      Sheed 80-90

      Riewoldt 70-110 and may get injured. Easily the most up and down, but the only one who could challenge Yeo IMO.

  • lads, thoughts on seb ross v JPK v Pendles

  • 1) Salem – Adams and Stewart – Vince
    2) Salem – Adams and Stewart – Witherden + $$
    3) Salem – Lloyd and Stewart – Tuhoy

    Thoughts

    • 3 is nice as it gets you two premium defenders. If you think Tuohy will be top 6-10 defender then definitely 3.
      Otherwise go option 2 and use the $$ to get those top players.

  • Gents, after some pearls of wisdom.
    Only rooks i have on field at this stage are greenwood witherden and newman. 1 trade left.
    Newman to doc
    Sloane to doc via dpp (or any other mid)
    Shuey to anyone
    Cash grab for a rook….

    • I don’t think it’s possible to help someone who’s top 3 trade out priorities are 3 guys I’d consider keepers… you’re clearly playing this at a higher level than me. I don’t ask 3-year-olds in the sandpit what kind of nail gun I should buy!

      • Ima use that analogy haha. I dunno if newmans time is up. Sloane has been a bit up and down and greenwood is only just in. Other option is dahlhouse out…

        • Can you do anything else down back to get Witherden on your bench? I’d be nervous fielding him. Maybe DPPing Sloane is the answer if he’s the worst-performing MID you’ve got. Average-wise, Sloane’s 17th highest this year so he’s pulling his weight (depending on what you bought him for… hopefully not $720k!).

          Dahl’s a hold for me despite his run of dodgy scores. He did the same thing at the start of the year and then got a run of great scores. For his price, you’ll hardly do better.

          • Yea got him during the byes…. dahl is prob a hold for me too, just really lookin to bring doc in this week or next

    • If I was in your position… I’d probably go Sloane to Doc. Just for the sake of peace of mind, as I’m sure you know – owning Sloane is an absolute nightmare and I am fretting his score this weekend (enter Ed Curnow…)

  • If you had to choose 1 of seb ross/JPK/Wines or would you wait to get uber premo or get yeo & move to the mids

    • I don’t really understand your question but I will say is I wouldn’t touch Ross. His scores are okay, but so are 50 other guys who are cheaper.

      • my question is there is 3 options, 1. choosing one of those 3, 2. waiting a week and getting an uber premo or 3. get yeo, swing him to fwd next week or two and get a different mid

        • Yeos price wont change much, purely a points game then. Depends if ur going for a weekly game or overall rank i reckon

  • Good idea to get rid of Clayton Oliver for any Midfielder?
    Suggestions

    • I’m backing Clayton to fire up following his little moment. With Gawn jamming the ball down his throat. He will raise his average.

  • On a different subject. A little off topic. The AFL have appealed Houli’s 2 week suspension. I say if they fail in their appeal, they should have to eat humble pie. For 2 weeks instead of 1, and incur a 75pt carry over.

  • Whats with all the hype about Witherden as a rookie?
    I haven’t seen him play so genuinely asking.

    For $40k less you can get Cox who is improving each time and has basically locked down his position as a roaming flanker

  • Will johannisen become fantasy relevant again. Few tags few low scores. Low price. Ave 95 last year….

  • Beams to who?

    Already have:
    Danger, Rocky, Mitchell, JPK, Fyfe, Scooter

    Who to get out of:
    Pendles, Merrett (surely?!), Sidey, Gibbs, Martin, Treloar

  • Hey Guys,
    If Ablett is out this week, whorls trading hin to Grundy be suitable.
    I could then go Nankervis to Newnes.

  • DEF: Doc, Adams, Laird, Newnes, Lloyd, Newman (Stewart, Ryan)

    MID: T.Mitchell, Merrett, Danger, Zorko, Kelly, Treloar, JPK, Murphy (Mountford, Cousins)

    RUC: Grundy, Martin (Buzza, Cameron)

    FWD: Yeo, Greene, Heeney, Macrae, Menegola, Greenwood (Parsons, Beech)

    60k in bank, Any ideas? cheers

    • Time for a double downgrade I would go
      Kelly to rocky and Stewart to Brisbane rook but your team looks awesome!! I’m the one that needs your advice haha

      • cheers bud aha, i like kelly as a top mid so im going murph to rocky in a couple weeks, this week stewart to witherden, and parsons to deluca

  • Simpson laird newnes Lloyd Newman marchbank
    Stewart cox

    Titch danger treloar Adams hanners jpk sloan Fyfe
    D.Lloyd cousins

    Kreuzer Ryder
    Soldo Cameron

    Yeo macrea franklin dalhous Barrett greenwood
    Hannan beech
    Any ideas on trades guys thinking marchbank to mountford via Adams and Barrett to Merrett via Lloyd but it leaves me with no $$ and really want rocky next week and Gawn eventually

  • Best option from S.Menegola, J.Lloyd, N.Riewoldt??

    All around the same price, all around the same average.. Riewoldt can go HUGE, Lloyd is SUPER consistent and Menegola is almost elite WHEN he gets midfield time..

  • Boys, thoughts on best 2 POD’s (under 10% ownership) in each position except ruck?

  • Need help with trades this week. Have 120k in the bank!
    Suggestions welcome.
    Nank-Gray and Scharenberg- Vince

    What do yous think??

    Doch, Laird, Shaw, Adams, Newman Scharenberg,(Witherden,Ryan)

    Rocky,Danger,Merrett,Tmich,Ablett,Hanners,JPK, Scooter( Myers, Lloyd)

    Martin, Jacobs( King, Cameron)

    Macrae, Buddy, Volt, Nank,Greenwood, Barrett(JKH, Beech)

  • I have 3 injured players, Taranto, Picken, Lynch. I could still field a full team even with them in my side so should I use the 300K in the bank on upgrading 2 of 3 or should I upgrade 1 and trade out Nankervis per the suggestion above. And out of the 3 which ones should I upgrade?

  • Barlow to:
    1. Yeo
    2. Macrae
    3. Greene
    4. Menegola
    5. Sheed

  • Clayton Oliver is in the forward, keep him or get any other midfielder

  • Hi guys

    2 options I’m considering

    Out – Beams and Kolodjashni

    In – Sidebottom and Vince with $2K for next week.

    Or

    In – T Mitchell and Witherden with $100K for next week.

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