NAB Cup Stock Exchange: Round 2

Following the second round of the NAB Cup, players have again changed in their perceived fantasy value. Unfortunately as we all know, scores and stats are not available yet from the NAB Challenge games, but at least we were able to have a decent look at the players from the 8 teams left in tournament. And this is why we are all secretly glad that the Suns were able to make it through, so we could have a good look at their personnel over a (almost) full match. Here are some players of note – please discuss your thoughts on them in the comments, along with some of your own!

Rising Stock

Jack Grimes MEL

Grimes was already on most coach’s radars, but now he is surely locked into more than a few teams. His 90 points included a game-high 25 disposals, of which more than half were by foot. After a drop in production in 2010, he is poised to reach his fantasy potential this year, with two consistent outings in the NAB Cup so far. At $340,200 he is a bargain and a premium in the making.

Josh P. Kennedy SYD

I thought his first round performances (84 and 24) were exceptions rather than the rule, but his 30-possession, 93 point game against Collingwood made me think twice. Especially as the Pies are obviously a much better side than Western Sydney, where that 84 came from. His kick to handball ratio is a bit of a worry, but that’s what you get from lockdown Sydney-style football. At $306,200, he could be a chance to push as your fourth midfielder with a view to keep – his average looks like it will increase from his 73 per game posted last season.

Mitch Duncan GEEL

The young West Australian topped the Cats with a 112 point effort, to follow up on his good showings in Round 1 (23 and 51). While these scores need to be taken with a pinch of salt – there was some serious midfield firepower absent – they are still very impressive. The 112 was not only a team high but a game high, rare in a 55 point loss. It’s unclear where he is in the pecking order as far as Geelong youngsters go, but with performances like this he must be considered for Round 1 of the home and away.

Alistair Smith STK

I know very little about this guy (which is probably fair enough seeing as he’s never played a game of AFL) but he scored 79 points with 10 tackles on the weekend. I think it’s fair to say this was an anomaly – I don’t care whether you’re a ninja, you won’t get 10 tackles a game consistently. From a quick internet search, he was drafted in 2008 late and hasn’t pressed for a game since, although Osteitis Pubis hasn’t helped his cause. No idea if he’s a chance to play this season, but at least he’s on the radar now, being a $97,600 option.

Alik Magin GC

I was at the Eagles v GC game on Sunday, and I swear I spent half the game wondering who the long haired number 6 was because I was too cheap to buy the Record. This guy was everywhere doing all the little things, and ended up with 7 tackles, 2 goals and 79 fantasy points. Interestingly, he is named as a backman but played up forward, so he could be a different option if you aren’t keen on trying to split Toad and Coy. And it doesn’t hurt that he’s a little cheaper at $92,500.

Dion Prestia GC

It’s impressive how much strength this little fella has. Being outsized didn’t matter; he looked classy and composed on his way to 71 points. Everyone was hoping he’d have a good game because of how valuable his DPP between the forwards and mids will be, and thankfully he delivered.

Luke Shuey WC

Looked really fresh, and this is one of those times when a player’s effectiveness matched up with their DT scoring, as he managed 14 touches and 51 points in a half before being subbed. Discounted due to injury last year, he can only go north from here barring more bad luck. Well worth a look at $280,300 as a mid-priced follower.

Bradd Dalzeill WC

Luckily this is DT and not that other fantasy game, because he wouldn’t be winning any prizes for his efficiency after the weekend. But not to worry, clangers mean sweet nothing in DT and made his 23 disposals and 79 points look better than his game actually was. Unfortunately he is pricey ($333,300), but will be a consistent mid-range scorer.

Other players like Cox, Selwood, Montagna, Swan and Stanton played great games, but we already knew these guys were guns. Heppell also impressed, but was locked into most teams already.

Falling Stock

Aaron Davey MEL

Not his best game. Heavily and impressively tagged by Slattery, he only managed the 7 touches and 24 points. Hopefully this was just a one-off, but at $313,900, you shouldn’t have been considering him too seriously anyway.

Daniel Hannebery SYD

His name is being thrown around as a smokie at the moment, but the talk will dampen slightly after his injury-induced subbing in the 2nd quarter against the Pies. I think it was more of a precaution that he was subbed, but it is still sure to play on DT coach’s minds.

Sam Gilbert STK

If Saturday’s game against the Cats was an audition as a FWD/DEF DPP option, it’s fair to say he didn’t get the job. Only 7 possessions and a behind while starting forward did not tickle my fancy one bit. And with Riewoldt and Goddard locked into most teams, it’s too much of a disadvantage having to cover the byes, especially if this is the role Gilbert will play.

Callum Wilson WCE

It’s fitting that he’s being mentioned after Gilbert, as some are considering drafting them both as FWD/DEF links. After their combined efforts in Round 2 I think these coaches will reconsider. Only scored 18 (was a half time sub) but was barely sighted, and his only possession was a  sift-wrapped goal from a 50m penalty. Honestly, Jack Darling looks to be ahead of him after the weekend. 

Stock to Watch

Andrew Gaff started as a sub and entered the game at the half, and looked skilled and energetic if a bit baby-faced. Played an outside role and scored a goal in 36 points. Ashton Hams was prominent and effective, but his value didn’t equate well to DT and he only finished with 69. Both Selwoods were serviceable, while Swallow and Matera were impressive while not standing out (57 and 72 points respectively).

Stewart Crameri scored well again for the Dons with 63, tying with new draftee Dyson Heppell who’s looking very encouraging for 2011. Trengove scored 85 in Scully’s absence, and Jack Watts scored 41 with a goal, although he did look stronger and smarter than last year. Karkouer confirmed his ‘lock’ status, while Dennis-Lane surely drifted out of planning in a few teams. Gamble backed up with a serviceable 58 and a goal, but faded late when the result was beyond doubt.

77 Comments

  • Hey guys there’s 3 spots left in the Dream Team Talk league over at http://www.ultimatefooty.com/

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    League Id: 461272
    Password: swallow

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    At the moment got a Live Draft set for Tuesday March 1 at 7:30 PM (AEDT) but can change this if it doesn’t suit. Also if you can’t make the draft you can set a rankings list and it’ll draft for you.

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  • Shuey looks to be the goods.

    I think he could produce some good scores if West Coast play him in the right position. He has good pace, good skills and can find the ball.

    He was the most promising prospect that I yesterday at the game.

    I don’t think you could really count many other performances since WCE played VERY poorly against a young GC team…

  • This will be the first time we have a “Presti” and a “Matera” in our squads.

  • Great write up mate, didn’t get a chance to see much Football over the weekend so this helps alot.

    Seriously considering Kennedy but at his price there is probably better, any thoughts? On these numbers you would certainly have to consider Duncan, one game doesn’t cut it if he doesn’t have a spot in the Geelong midfield.

    • No worries mate. I think Kennedy could be a good option, but I would stay away from banking on the Eagle’s forward line for the next year or two! Supply efficiency and volume are two big question marks i can’t ignore.

      Zaharakis is a better option for mine, i feel like he will definitely increase his output. I like Duncan a lot, but he needs some job security before i consider him. Sure, Ablett’s gone but there is Varcoe there to take his spot, then there’s the possibility of Menzel, Smeldts, Christensen, etc, ready to take his. So until the Round 1 teams come out it’s hard to get an accurate read on the situation, especially with the new coach. If i had to take a punt, I’d say Duncan should get a spot in Round 1 and after that it’ll based on form.

    • We will be playing plenty kids this year at the cattery and Duncan will be first picked out of them. We need to replace Ablett, plus Mooney, Pods and Linga will all miss early games. With his dpp, he is getting close to lock and load.
      Just knows how to find it. DT gun in the making.

  • Any feedback on my team so far would be much appreciated. I know I’ve skimped on my backline but Otten, Astbury and Adcock will be major cashcows. Also leaving out Swan (for now) broke my heart but Boyd will fire and won’t miss round 2. Still left with $68,500. Also I’ve got some spots left in some leagues 759052 (4 left) 135143 (9 left) 235163 (9 left) 794411 (2 left)

    (B) Gibbs, Connors, M. Johnson, Adcock, Astbury, Ottens, Coad (INT) B.Smith, Puopolo, Duigan
    (M) Boyd, Goddard, A.Swallow, D.Swallow, Sidebottom, Anthony (INT) Heppel, Krakour, Harris
    (R) Sandilands, Cox (INT) Smith, Derickx
    (F) Buddy, Rioli, Waite, Sylvia, Kennedy, Dangerfield, Prestia (INT) Mzungu, Richardson, Callinan

    • IMO, Astbury, Johnson, Waite and Kennedy are all bad picks. Put Goddard into backs to strengthen that area. You will still have Heppel in your mids as a DPP link. You probably need another rookie in your mids as that is where the cash cow value is.

    • 5/10 listen to the guy above

    • You must pick Goddard as a defender, he averages nearly 15ppg more than any other player back there. Plenty 100ppg mid options.

  • Hello I’m Mr Magoo. Anyone know where I can find TOG stats for these NAB cup games on Fanfooty? I’m finding it hard to decision make without them. For example I’ve had Andrew Gaff pretty much locked for ages. If you look at FFooty for the GC game he got 36 and I’m like “woah” then I read here he played a half so I relax pick up the aforementioned dropped bacon sandwhich and carry on eating…and begin contemplating where I can locate those pesky TOG stats.

    Any help would be appreciated

    • Fantasy Freako sometimes does TOG. It is released on wednesday.

    • Monty uses the vest icon for those subbed off and makes a note if they started as a sub. So if you scroll over their icon and nothing is mentioned you can probably assume they played the whole game. Alternatively Fantasy Freako will most likely have the exact minutes on ground.

  • Good article tbetta, would be interesting to see Dalziell’s disposal efficiency for that game because I thought he did ‘OK’ in that area. Not many of his kicks were spearing over the boundary line like they used to :)

    I thought Prestia was quite impressive, he was the one I was most worried about getting the ball (worried as an Eagles supporter, not as a dream teamer :) )

    Eagles struggled in the heat but I also don’t think people are giving GC much credit. They are playing pretty well and their game plan looks reasonably good.

    • Haha you make a good point. I suppose in comparison to last year he was amazing but compared to most other footballers (and definitely not the Eagle’s midfield) he wasn’t the sharpest. I think by foot he was okay, I just remember two terrible hospital handballs and that was that.

      I agree, i thought GC were good, especially in their efficiency up forward in the first half. Made West Coast look lethargic at times.

  • Disappointed with Bennell, only managed 34 despite kicking 2 goals. Anyone thinking of Josh Caddy? scored 40 after being subbed on in Q3, could be good value.

    • I was listening to the game on radio. Commentators made mention of Bennell picking up a little injury – calf I think? He kept playing, but that may have reduced his output.

      • Bennell started cramping up after half time. Stinking hot day so understandable. Suns trialled him forward and his DT score suffered accordingly. More interested in Sam Iles – any word on him?

  • Dools – I can only count 9 Premiums, 4 mid/premium players. Obviously Gun rookie isn’t the only strategy however imo it is a very effective one. If the midpricers perform how you hope they will the team has great potential. However it is a very risky strategy which I am sure you are aware.

    As many of you will be aware last year those who didn’t start with Ablett last year got hurt bad, I see the same with Swan this year, you do really need him in your side so you have a lock in captain this year.

    Generally the idea of having a weak backline is to strengthen your mids/fwds who typically score a lot higher. Personally through what I have seen you are better of having Heppell in the backs as a starter, and imo you need to get rid of one of your mids for somone like Mzungu on the field and spend the money elsewhere to have more premiums on the field.

    Also I am aware that it is only two weeks but Melb/Syd/WCE have a bye together so that week your team will be in a bit of trouble. Having two hawks in the Fwds also can be a small issue. Personally i dont feel that you need buddy but that is my gut feeling, if someone plays 22 games like Brad Green then he is better then someone who plays 16 by getting suspended. But that’s your call.

    Personally I think Dangerfield is too awkwardly priced and dont think he represents good value, Krakeour should take his spot on the field and dangerfield could be a rookie on the bench to save you the money. I believe having anything over 120k on the bench is too much.

    Also Astbury – One game doesnt make a player, I have doubts over this selection.

    All round not a bad team, but think you need more keepers. I think your team will certainly make money however you need at least 13 keepers in your intial starting side. In the past however, the mid priced strategy has won the overall competition so its your call. I see your side averaging 1950-2050 with potential to improve throughout the season however I do feel your starting team needs to be a little stronger then what I see.

  • JPK is a lock in my team now; have had in my radar since 2010, wasn’t convinced with his 84 against GWS but his effort against Pies has me convinced.

    Seriously considering Grimes and Magin, and will pay close attention to Gaff next week, to decide whether he is a lock.

  • Need a mid price forward! around 300k i have atm Morton but im not feeling to confident with him in my team.
    I have Lecras in sight and maybe Grant.

    any thoughts?

    cheers

    • Forget LeCras and Grant – Lecca is more SC and Grant isn’t proven yet. Look at Zaharakis if you haven’t already, Knights if you don’t already have him. Gray is also an unerpriced option but terrible injury prone, but apart from that, no stand-outs.

      • yeah i was thinking Zaharakis!
        and i dont have knights and would be good to get money for him, but I dont seem confident with him because of how long he has been out for!
        do u think he will do well?

        • Knights is an interesting one… he can average 90 when healthy, and even last year when he was carrying injuries he managed to average 82.5 (not including the game he got injured) so the guy can play. But i do think he is so cheap that it’s worth it – if worse comes to worst, you can always downgrade him to a performing rookie or someone on the bubble to free up some cash.

          Although, apparently he injured his groin against the crows on the weekend, although Craig said it was minor, i’m not entirely sure i believe him. So basically, if you got a nutsack, do it, otherwise i think Zaha is the safe option.

  • Hahaha… “Toad” and “Coy”

  • quick question!!!!

    what is a better combo to start the season with….

    Sandi and Adcock or Broughton and Fraser????????????????

    • Both sound good to me. Sandi’s a keeper, and Adcock is very underpriced. Then Broughton is super-consistent while Fraser will be the starting ruck sure to go up in price. Like comparing apples and oranges, pick whichever you prefer, or which ever suits your strategy/structure best.

    • stay away from fraser i reckon

  • Hey Guys,

    This is my team Iv put together so far, got around $68 k left in the kitty.

    DEF: Goddard, Gibbs, Bruce, Deledio, Ottens, Heppell, Puopulo (Coad, Toy, Lower)

    MID: Swan, Boyd, Montagna, Bartel, Mzungu, Libratore (Swallow, Harris, Hibberd)

    RUCK: Sandilands, Cox (Derrickx, Smith)

    FWD: S Johnson, Green, N Riewoldt, Pavlich, Higgins, Krakeur, Richardson (Matera, Prestia, Callinan)

    I know it seems a bit generic but would appreciate your thoughts or improvements, Cheers.

    • great team mate, imo consider changing steve johnson for some1 around that price gia or sylvia. As johnson may suffer from the loss of Ablett but a great team otherwise

    • round 4 you have 5 key players out

      • r u going for a league or overall win?

      • Your team is about as generic as that ’round 4′ response! Our team is very similar indeed. Don’t worry about the dreaded round 4 Kenjo, think about the huge points you will score before and after that! Also as long as those rookies all play which I think will happen you will be fine rnd 4. Go for it and good luck!

  • Whats everyones opinions on danny stanley as a benched defender? hes looked alright so far.

    • Yeah i saw him against WC last night and was popping up all over the place, not sure how high up the pecking order he is but if he has better chance of playing round 2 onwards i will look to get him in over toy or coad

      • i am planning on going with both him and toy as u cant go wrong with those 2 in my view. As toy seems to be a lock into their first side along with their really experienced backman. I rate stanley as a good chance as he has had afl experience and seems to add some stability with a more experienced mind set which shows with his decison making

  • Trent McKenzie is the one I liked for the Suns! He looks classy and knows how to get the pill. A few errors but I think this guy will get games.

  • Thanks “superted”, “feathertopsdt” and “hirdysmancrush” for your advice. I’ve taken a fair bit of it onboard and reshuffled my team quite a bit. I agree that my bench was a bit topheavy and Atley was a bit risky. Waite was the only player in my team I haven’t heard any hype about, just a mad blues supporter who wanted him in my team. I disagree about Buddy and think he’s in for a big year. I’ve added more premiums and my team looks much stronger on paper. Thanks again for taking the time to analyse my team. Here’s my new (hopefully improved) one.

    (B) Goddard, Gibbs, Connors, M.Johnson, Adcock, Ottens, Heppell (INT) Coad, Smith, Puopolo
    (M) Swan, Boyd, M.Murphy, Anthony, Sidebottom, D.Swallow (INT) Harris, Liberatore, Callinan
    (F) Buddy, Rioli, Green, Kennedy, Dangerfield, Mzungu, Prestia (INT) Krakour, Richardson, Matera

  • OOps forgot to mention rucks stay the same

    Sandi, Cox (Smith, Derickx)

  • I’m a big fan of Astbury. Richo apparently is, as well, after personally selecting him to take on the famous #12. I think that the kid will really step up this year as the Tigers start to improve a little and for his price, is a much better chance of averaging 80+ or making you $100k than someone like Adcock.

    • Theres no doubt he’ll make you lots of money but for a key position I need to know he’ll be playing week in week out. Thats my only reservation.

  • Duigan or Hibberd?

  • hey guys

    what does everyone think of this team i have thrown together with 37k left in the bank

    DEF: .Goddard, Gibbs, Deledio, Broughton, Grimes, N.Krakouer Otten (Toy, puopolo, duigan)

    MID: Swan, Montagna, Bartel K.Sinpson, Gaff, Harris (D.Swallow, Heppell, Callinan)

    RUC: Ryder, Tippett (Z.Smith, Baliey)

    FWD: Franklin, Syliva, N.Riewoldt, Pavlich, Prestia, Petrie, Mzungu (Richardson, Matera, I.Smith)

    any thoughts

    • pretty good team, would stay away from tippet and Kraks (GC), but the rest of the team is pretty good. 8/10

  • Just went Gilbert to Grimes, good move?

    • great move

      • thanks george, even though its one game you can’t really ignore how poorly gilbert did in his new role. Also i think that grimes will have a good year. What does everyone think that grimes will average?

  • I have Judd should I get Boyed for him?

  • wat do u reckon… matera and prestia in the forwardline bench??? i have cam richardson as my other back up for the gold coast byes and he is a jet…

    im just worried about GC having byes in round 1 and 9 and with all these GC players, there value might not go up enough in time wen i need them to….

    Thoughts?

  • Just wondering peoples opinions on getting Mitch Morton as a forward. If he plays mid like towards the end of last year should average around 85-95 plus being a DPP could make him a fairly decent unique pick.

  • whats the thought on seaby this year i know alot of people got burnt last year

  • Alistair Smith was very close to selection last year and was named emergency something like 7 times. He is ready to go and definitely should get a game and the only reason he hasnt so far is because it is harder to break into ross lyons saints than it is for a pre pubescent teen trying to get into a strip joint. He was big ball winner with pace in the under18s but has played somewhat of a tagging role in the vfl and was the one who played on aker the weekend he he got in trouble for saying some “Dribbler”. His only downfall is his kicking but looks to be getting better, he only wont get a game because ross is too scared to mess with his structure as the young ones dont know the game plan or having got experience playing it. Saints need to improve somewhere though and he does have pace so should look to get a gig before some of the other hacks in the side.

    • Smith is a gun. I’ve seen him hold his own against the ‘A’ team at a St. Kilda intra-club match, and as you said, the commentators did mention he was an emergency 6-7 times last year.

      Good luck getting into that midfield though. Won’t get many games this year I don’t think, but one to watch when he does.

  • Anyone know what’s happening with Iles? I would have thought he would be a walk up start? B&F last year.

    Will Callinan and Lower get a spot on the senior list?

    Finally, Puopolo or Duigan???

    Cheers

  • hey guys

    what do you all think would be the best combo

    i can go a boyd and then someone like a seaby or fraser the only prob is fraser will miss first game and i have smith on the bench who will also miss first game

    OR

    i could go with sandilands and someone like a zaharakis or around that price range

    whats everyones thoughts

  • Can I get youse guys opinion?

    1) Chapman, Stanton, Shuey

    or

    2) Bartel, Sylvia, Sidebottom

    cheers

  • Zero sum game!!!

    TEAM NAME: PP
    DEF: B. Rawlings, B. Gibbs, B. Deledio, G. Broughton, N. Malceski, A. Otten, M. Coad (M. Hibberd, P. Puopolo, N. Duigan)
    MID: D. Swan, L. Hodge, B. Goddard, K. Cornes, D. Swallow, D. Harris (D. Heppell, T. Mzungu, I. Callinan)
    RUC: A. Sandilands, D. Cox (Z. Smith, T. Derickx)
    FWD: D. Giansiracusa, R. Gamble, A. Goodes, L. Franklin, P. Dangerfield, J. Riewoldt, A. Krakouer (B. Matera, C. Richardson, D. Prestia)
    CASH LEFT: $0

    I was trying to minimize the amount of players I had out any week and this is where I ended up.

  • Chapman & Gaff

    or

    Stanton & Kerr??

    I just cant make my mind up about Chapman…. He’s a god but frickin expensive… already got swallow. Gaff was my second rookie

    oh and I know what you gonna say about kerr but for $200k in the midfield he is a bargain no matter what u say…

    Any way… any suggestions?

    • depends on if you want to run with premiums and rookies, or go with established players and spread the money out in your starting line up. If you run with established players, you would have more of an idea of what your going to get… on the other hand rookies could be a better chance of a cash cow. I wouldnt go with Kerr for the pure fact that he cant handle getting tagged (which you already know), let Kerr get tagged and get a Luke Shuey, Chris Masten, Scott Selwood maybee? Stanton will improve and consistantly produce high numbers I recon. Im in a similar delema myself if you read above.

    • Chapman and Gaff, no contest.

  • Can I get an opinion on my side, I’m not 100% comfortable with a few players at the moment. Trying to win my league, not too concerned about the Toyota with this side

    B: Goddard, Gibbs, Broughton, Grimes, Wood, Otten, Heppell (Puopolo, Stanley, Duigan)
    M: Swan, Bartel, Stanton, Sylvia, Deledio, Harris (Swallow, Callinan, Atley)
    R: Cox, Petrie (Bailey, Deryckx)
    F: Chapman, Franklin, N Riewoldt, Higgins, Knights, A Krakouer, Richardson (Prestia, Darling, Mzungu)

    $145,300 cash

    I’m trying to maximise good DPPs

    Nor too sure about Easton Wood, Callinan and a ruck.
    Was intending on using Deryckx (or a cheap ruck playing rd1) and keep Petrie as I don’t want to waste a trade on him down the track as I plan on upgrading to Sandi or Ryder as my first trade of the year.

  • Thinking of starting an Ultimate Footy draft-style for DT Talk regulars who are keen for a different version of fantasy AFL. It would only work if every coach was 100% committed, otherwise there is no point. Would be a Live Draft, in my experience long drafts cause shit teams which equals lack of interest.

    So express your interest here!

  • Not sure if you are still taking interest for the draft tbetta? If so, consider me interested.