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Tbetta’s Bullets: Round 16

Not since Shane Falco led a rag-tag bunch of footballers into battle have we seen back-up players have such a profoundly positive effect in our Dream Teams. With key players still on the sidelines (looking at Goddard, Waters, Martin and Franklin specifically), it comes down to your cover and how well they perform in a lot of cases. Let’s review all of Round 16!

  • The Replacements

Not since Shane Falco led a rag-tag bunch of footballers into battle have we seen back-up players have such a profoundly positive effect in our Dream Teams. With key players still on the sidelines (looking at Goddard, Waters, Martin and Franklin specifically), it came down to your cover and how well they performed in a lot of cases.

In defence, we had Ellis and Spurr blitzing it for us – but more on them soon. Shaw, Darley and Morris all provided more than expected as three of the most popular options. Unfortunately, Bugg was dropped this week and Marty Clarke started with the vest; but other than that, it was a very pleasing week from the rookie defenders. I know a few people held off trading Waters, effectively opening themselves up to copping a donut this week with Goddard coming to the rescue next week. Imagine if you had Spurr sitting there as an emergency as a Hail Mary! And then again, imagine if you had him and you didn’t….

Up forward, it was all about Zorko. This will be the last week any of us are allowed to talk about him as ‘cover’ anymore, or even an F7. Since his vested 26 in Round 7, Zorks has been the 3rd-highest averaging forward, including five tons in that time. How about F3? Apart from him, Couch, Dickson and Adams were all solid, but it dropped off significantly after that. Let’s hope you didn’t have to rely on any of these guys, and with Dusty back this week, maybe we won’t have to for the foreseeable future.

Seeing as Martin and Goddard are both due back from suspension this week, we should be back to near full-strength squads and back to putting our faith in our premiums; not rookies. After all, pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory lasts forever.




  • Makers and Breakers

Over the past month there has been somewhat of a resurgence of the old school DT forwards, such as Pavlich, Goodes and Riewoldt. Ryan O’Keefe definitely fits into that category. He’s someone most of us wrote off this pre-season, with the expectation that he would start to decline with age. While he did have a poor first month, ROK has gone on to average 101.8 since Round 4, making him a top 7 forward in that time. He’s a perfect unique upgrade for your forward line, with only 3.3% of coaches taking the punt on him so far.

Over the journey, we’ve learnt not to expect too much from our premiums in their injury comeback games. In typical fashion though, Pendlebury went above and beyond the call of duty and busted out a 117 against a quality outfit. It’s been 8 weeks since your last hundred, so it’s bloody good to have you back… For those who are without the majestic midfielder, keep a keen eye in his price – he could be down to around $460k after Round 17!

If you didn’t get on Carrazzo in the last three weeks, it’s time to give yourself a swift punch to the face. Since his return from that nasty AC issue, he’s topped 110 in each game, including 123 against the Roos on a big Friday night stage. He’s now rocketed back up to $437k, almost $60k more than he was valued at a fortnight ago.

In another week where we were without Goddard and Waters, our rookie defenders again stood up and accepted the challenge. Spurr came from the brink of extinction to carve out a huge 104 points, while Tiger cub Ellis waxed his way to 103 in a perfect display of link work. They couldn’t have come through at a better time.

Defenders always seem to be hard done by when it comes around to determining the Breakers, which may have a bit to do with the inconsistency associated with the position. Although, even with taking that into account, Broughton’s 36, Suckling’s 31 and Fisher’s 18 were absolutely woeful. Broughton doesn’t have the same excuse having been thrown down forward in recent weeks for God-knows-why. A red vest sure doesn’t help either. Suckling simply just went missing, which is gutting for the coaches who snapped him up for Waters. As for Fisher… Who knows? He’s a far cry for the +6-loving defender we used to know and love. In fact, he’s dropped over 16 points per game since just last season.

Disappointment isn’t exactly an unfamiliar emotion for Kreuzer owners, but this has to take the cake. With no Warnock or Hampson and hence free reign in the ruck (Matt Watson was his back-up, for christ’s sake) Kreuz inexplicably managed just 40 points, despite totalling 29 hitouts. That’s a joke, and not a funny one.

Rather than being the poster boy for free agency, Cloke has now become the poster boy for ‘How to Lower Your Market Value’ in what is effectively an anti-contract year for him. It’s his second score in the vicinity of 40 in the last three weeks, which has to anger the hordes of coaches that flocked to him after his 112, 86 and 85 streak starting in Round 10.


  • A Spoonful of Concrete

I don’t think we need an official stat for us to know that 2012 has been an injury-ravaged one, DT-wise. The medicos have taken away guns like Ablett, Swan, Pendlebury, Franklin, Zaharakis, Sandilands, Mumford, McEvoy, Leuenberger, McIntosh, Shaw, Heppell, Murphy, Carrazzo and Fyfe for various lengths this season, which is just incredible. While luck is a huge factor here, it also throws one intangible towards the top of the list of trade priorities: Durability.

We just don’t have the trades to be taking a risk any suspect bodies at the moment, so let’s look at some of the most durable DTers going around. I’ll also give you an example of someone who we possibly think of as the better DTer, but due to injury has in fact been a lesser choice. I’ll credit each missed game with 50 points, as a rough estimation as to what your cover may have scored in their absence.

Brett Deledio – 108 consecutive games

If you don’t have Deledio already, you’re not a real DTer. So while we can’t exactly trade him in, I couldn’t forge a list like this without mentioning the record-holder for most consecutive games. Lids has been a great servant in his time, missing just 4 career games since he debuted in 2005, which is simply insane. He’s also averaged 89 DT points or more each season from 2008 until now, where he’s taken a massive leap and ticked over at 113.8 a game.

Matthew Boyd – 56 consecutive games

Boyd embodies toughness and defines durability. He’s one of the game’s best DT talents and he has only missed 2 AFL games since 2005. An absolute marvel of athleticism, fitness and fantasy prowess. If you’re looking for a sure thing, it’s Boyd.

Durability Bonus: Boyd’s 1786 season DT points edges out Ablett’s 1696 (1596 from 13 games, plus 2 emergency scores)

Pearce Hanley – 45 consecutive games

Hanley was something of an inspired choice this season, especially lately. He was a mild consideration last year, but has really firmed as a Premium defender by increasing his average by 7 points to 86.7 this season. He hasn’t missed a game since he solidified his spot towards the end of 2010.

Durability Bonus: Hanley’s 1300 season DT points beats out Birchall’s 1289 (1189 from 13 games, plus 2 emergency scores)

Dean Cox – 62 consecutive games

We must have a 2009 hangover, because I think everyone is still wary of picking Coxy in the fear that he’ll get injured or rested. That’s simply not the case. He’s played every game in the last three seasons, not to mention scoring a butt-load of points in that time. He’s aging, and that’s always a risk in itself; but with Naitanui shouldering half the load, he’s been rock solid thus far.

Durability Bonus: Cox’s 1519 season DT points beats out Maric’s 1478 (1428 from 14 games, plus 1 emergency score)

Andrew Swallow – 81 consecutive games

I’ve said it a few times before, but Swallow is one of those guys who bust out amazing scores, but they’re interspersed with too many 90 point totals (7 scores in the 90’s so far this season!) to be considered an elite DTer. What he lacks in that department, he certainly makes up for in durability – he’s played every single game in the last 4 seasons. He’s averaging 101.3 per game, which is still solid for your unique M6.

Durability Bonus: Swallow’s 1520 season DT points easily bests Pendlebury’s 1402 (1202 from 11 games, plus 4 emergency scores)

Brent Harvey – 69 consecutive games

This one really surprised me, I have to admit. Maybe I confused a natural reduction in output with poor durability, but when I saw that Harvey has played at least 20 games in 13 of his last 15 seasons, including every game in the last 3 years, I almost back-flipped off my chair. He’s not the DTer he once was, there’s no denying that, but he’s a sure thing as a F6 or F7 with his 81.1 average.

Durability Bonus: Harvey’s 1217 season DT points easily bests Zaharakis’ 1161 (911 from 10 games, plus 5 emergency scores)


Anyone you think I’ve missed in the Durability stakes? Who’s your go-to DTer for longevity? Let me know in the comments or on Twitter.


  • Fair Trade

This is the point every season when DT becomes exclusively the domain of the fanatical DTers. We’re already seeing a sharp decline in forum activity and Twitter banter, not to mention general enthusiasm – I can’t tell you how many times over the past few weeks I’ve broached the topic of DT with other coaches, only to hear something along the lines of “I don’t really care anymore, hey. I ran out of trades weeks ago”. To me, this has always been a problem, exacerbated by the 24 trade limit; the Bye situation this season has only been a catalyst. Sure, holding trades is manageable for us serious DTers (and even then, some of us struggle!), but for the casual coach, it’s all about trading. So 16 rounds in, we’re the only coaches left, and I don’t like it.

DT is so enjoyable not just because you can watch a Melbourne vs GWS game and still be somewhat interested, but because it’s a great water-cooler topic. We enjoy talking trash to our opponents. We enjoy bragging about a huge score to our mates during the week. We enjoy having something to talk about other than the weather with someone you don’t quite know. And most of all, we enjoy trading our team into victory over all those who come up against you. This is why the concept of a ‘Use it or Lose it’ trading scheme appeals to me so much (Check out this nifty podcast for a bit of conjecture from FanFooty creator m0nty and the one and only Warnie on the big picture of DT and this topic in particular). Here’s my proposal for the perfect Dream Team competition:

Use it or Lose it

Each coach has the opportunity to make up to 2 trades every week of the season, and up to 3 trades in the bye rounds. If you don’t use them, too bad. Yes, I realise that this means that a coach can effectively use up to 47 trades in a season, which sounds ludicrous compared to the 24 trades we had this year. This brings me to the next big change:

Significantly Higher Magic Number

This will ensure that even if a coach uses all those trades, they won’t have a complete team by Round 10 of the season. With a higher MN, we’ll have to be very liberal with our cash distribution with our starting squad. We’re already setting up for a Mid-Price resurgence next year, and this would almost guarantee it.

My vision is that with this salary pressure we start the year with 6-7 Premiums, 15-16 Mid-Pricers and 10-12 Rookies, much like the spread of talent at an actual AFL club. This should ensure a high degree of uniqueness between teams, as your Premiums will even be unique as you’ll only be able to afford 1 or 2 in each position to start off the season.

Trading up to a ‘complete’ team will also be much more difficult, with less Cash Cows available (no expansion club this season) and smaller dividends milked from successful Mid-Price improvers.

Desired Result

I believe this would keep both breeds of DTers happy, which in turns makes Virtual Sports happy. We’ll have season-long interest from the casual DTers as they’ll be able to trade every week of the season, rather than losing interest halfway through. Hardcore DTers would now have the ability to make the most of their DT nous with smart trading throughout the season, with the bonus that a bad run with injury won’t derail your entire year. Again, the MBRs will be what separate the boys from the men, but that’s an issue that gets its own conversation.

In essence, I think this will make DT both more enjoyable and more relevant season-long. I instantly perk up at the thought that we’ll spend a fair portion of our time analysing the Mid-Price type players, who at the moment are bordering on insignificance. I feel a rush of joy at the thought that Guns & Rookies won’t be king anymore, and the prospect of going into a League head-to-head match with less than 10 players in common.

Like Martin Luther King, I have a dream. What do you think? What do you want to see brought in next year? Let me know in the comments or on Twitter!


  • Burst Fire

Could Stefan Martin replicate his unlikely run in 2011 (where he averaged 98.8 over a 10-game stretch) and become a insta-Premium? He’s probably a bit too pricey at $397k in the ruck, but he is coming off 105,101 and 118 with Jamar set to miss a few weeks a calf injury.

#  Toby Greene was unlucky not to snag a spot in the Makers this week, and that’s only because not too many coaches would have played him with Murphy and Pendles fighting fit again. He’s shot up to $409k now (where the hell did that come from?!) and boasts a three-round average of 112.3. Excellent cover for the run home and a lock for the Rising Star if he were still eligible.

#  Cam Bruce announced his retirement today, which marks the end of a great DT career. An absolute gun back in the day, Bruce averaged 101.3 back in 2006 (todays 115) to be the fourth ranked DTer that season.

In the fourth quarter of the Sydney–West Coast match, the Eagles were without their 6 first-choice forwards after Darling was subbed out with hamstring tightness. That’s LeCras, Lynch, Nicoski, Hill, Darling and Kennedy all missing, which is an incredible stat really.

# Check out this article on Geelong’s courting of Travis Boak. I don’t really care that Geelong went out of their way to make their desires known; after all, it is a business decision, so anything legal goes. I was more taken shocked that Power CEO Keith Thomas compared Travis Boak and Dominic Cassisi to Joel Selwood and Jimmy Bartel in any capacity. Got to love hyperbole.


  • Tbetta’s Tweets

Great question. I personally shafted him after Round 2 this year, and while I regretted it slightly after he regained some form, I’m content that I used a trade to get him out. However, it’s a different prospect now, seeing as many coaches have 4 or less trades remaining.

If I still had him, I’d be very tempted to trade him out with 5 or more trades in the bank. Any less than that and it’s a no-brainer; you have to keep him and hope Lyon gives him a break. Who knows, there may be one more twist on the Broughton rollercoaster yet.


Definitely, Griff. The huge scores you talk about are team-wide, conceding 1788 DT points per game over the last month, about 220 points more than the competition average. That’s an extra 10 points that you can expect your players to earn when they come up against the Giants.

We shouldn’t be surprised though, we saw exactly same thing with the Suns last year. It all comes down to the fact that most of these GWS guys are all young and not AFL-weathered yet, and they are fatiguing over a long season. It’s a cliché, but it’s true. You just can’t expect to bridge the massive gap in experience and fitness in only one season.


I touched on this a bit last week, and was anti-Giles then, so I’m certainly anti-Giles after he was dropped this week. I pulled the trigger a few weeks ago on Griffin and haven’t regretted it. At the moment though, McEvoy and Jacobs have to be the premier options on a value basis. Both have had an exceptional last three weeks, averaging 101.3 and 111.7 respectively in that time.


  • Round 17

There’s not much point talking about possible trades this week, seeing as we don’t have any left. On the assumption that you have 4 or less trades in pocket, LTIs should really be the only thing on your mind from now on. Even if we get lucky with injury, we still have the annual General Soreness convention, which is usually held over DT finals.

So, it comes down to our bench cover and Captain choices from here on, and hopefully a little luck. Dunny and Calvin have you covered in those categories, so I won’t waste my breath. But you may have noticed a few rookies getting a gig this week, such as Clifton, Walker, J. Hall, Sheringham, Dunell, L. Brown, Webberly, Couch and Baguley. I’d love to analyse who we should grab and who we should forget, but alas, no trade… With that said, if you need to cover a one-week donut, grabbing a Couch/Brown/Baguley type as DPP cover for the run home might not be the worst idea.

Also, did anyone get on Sylvia a couple of weeks ago like I suggested? 84, 100, 109 and 98 on the trot so far…



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    July 17, 2012 at 8:36 am

    Great article but surely Judd should be in the makers section with 147 points??

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      July 17, 2012 at 4:10 pm

      Not for mine. Hasn’t been in the best form, and his chicken wing manoeuvre doesn’t exactly inspire me to reward him.

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    July 17, 2012 at 10:34 am

    Can somebody tell me the BE of Bacher Houli. Need him to go down $300 and go Townsend to Houli
    Cheers in advance

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      July 17, 2012 at 10:57 am

      BE of 30 so likely to increase by about $20K this week if he hits he average.

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    July 17, 2012 at 11:08 am

    I have NO TRADES LEFT and iam in trouble.. I am sitting equal top of my league at the minute on 44 points..I have Judd and he is going for a spell.. I have Waters and we know what is happening there..Oh well i will battle on.. The Best result for me this weekend was the SWANS beating the Eagles over here…. You bloody ripper

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      Austin Pwrz

      July 17, 2012 at 12:47 pm


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      July 17, 2012 at 1:00 pm

      f**k off mate :)

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    July 17, 2012 at 11:18 am

    Hey Tbetta,

    Great article mate, certainly got the cogs turning…

    Another option that I dont think anyone has mentioned is to have an additional position, such as a “utility”. We have the DPP which in itself is great and worthy of keeping, but adding a utility would help with the MBR’s as well as covering injuries, whether they be short or long term.

    Proposed as follows (in traditional bullet form!!!):
    – 30 player squads
    – 9 DEF, 9 MID, 3 RUC, 9 FWD
    – 22 players on field
    – 6 DEF, 6 MID, 1 RUC, 6 FWD, 3 UTY
    – The 3 UTY could be made up of anyone who is not already on the field in the 6 DEF/6 MID/1 RUC/6 FWD structure listed above

    This would be more like a modern-day AFL team where they have players that can at times play any position on the ground.

    It would also help with MBR’s and moreso with injuries as you would effectively have 11 bench players that you only have to choose 3 to play in any given week, wouldnt matter what position they were listed in.

    I think combining this with say 1 ‘use it or lose it’ trade per week and then another 12 trades that you could use at any time of the year would result in the following:
    – more interest for the casual dream teamer
    – still enough strategy for the more avid dream teamer
    – more flexibility in regard to injuries and MBR’s
    – more like a modern-day AFL team set-up
    – ability to plan your team/trades around personal goals (ie eliminator, league win or overall)

    I also think this will assist with uniqueness between teams albeit the nature of the AFL in 2013 without the expansion teams and the likely return of the ‘mid-pricer’ will force this issue anyway.

    Anyway, just my thoughts, feel free to let me know what you think on here on on twitter @pearcey47


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      July 17, 2012 at 4:15 pm

      I certainly wouldn’t be unhappy with a UTIL slot, having played NBA games which utilise the concept well.

      I am, however, concerned that it would simply become an unofficial extra 3 MID slots, seeing as they are the highest scoring players. In effect, the structure would be 6-9-1-6. But you’re right, it would help over the MBRs where we can’t exactly pick and choose where our cover comes from.

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        July 17, 2012 at 4:53 pm

        Granted thats very possible that the 3 ‘utility’ spots could be taken up by the 3 midfield ‘bench’ players but the only ramification I can forsee is a higher average score. You would still have the salary cap and the positional break-up to counteract people having a team full of just midfielders.

        AFL coaches are always wanting players that can play any position, I dont see why Dream Team coaches should be any diferent.

        • Brak


          July 17, 2012 at 9:50 pm

          until a few years ago you could name any of your bench players as E and they would fill in for ANY position. The clever coaches just loaded the mid bench with guns and put non players in the fwd or backline so the emergencies would count effectively giving you 8 mids. It really was a loophole that VS didn’t like and they changed it for what I think is the better.

          There will always be a mid season drop off as coaches realise they have no chance of the car and are getting smashed in their leagues, often through simply copping bad luck with injuries.

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    July 17, 2012 at 11:21 am

    Nice article. I already know of a few mates who have given up cause they have no trades left and can’t make top 8. But I like the current format. The reverse trade button has worked really well. Maybe there should be a “Ross Lyon” button where you get an extra chance if you have Freo players in your side!!!

    Possibly the “lock-out’ could be modified due to extended benches being announced. I suggest that trades only are locked out. Then your team is your team for the weeknd and you can make changes at will through the weekend, before a player plays (of course). Then you are playing like a real Coach.

    • Warnie


      July 17, 2012 at 1:08 pm

      While that sounds great, I never want it to be biggest nerd wins. I don’t want to hang off every team sheet to make changes to me side. DT already takes up too much of my time!

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        July 17, 2012 at 1:15 pm

        he he:)

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        July 17, 2012 at 4:16 pm

        100% agree. Not everyone can get to the laptop over the weekend, and they shouldn’t be disadvantaged because of it.

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    July 17, 2012 at 11:28 am

    This is a well written article that has some good ideas regarding the DT game itself and has also inspired some good discussion and more ideas. Worthy of its own title imo, as it’s very relevant to the DT landscape right now.

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      July 17, 2012 at 12:58 pm

      Thankyou Captain Obvious.

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        July 18, 2012 at 8:05 am

        If it was so obvious…

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    July 17, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    I like the discussion here and I think your ideas are quite sound Tbetta. Some of the others are interesting as well.

    Not keen on demand based pricing. The wildcard seems gimmicky to me. I like the “locked trades” idea.

    What if we were to split our allotted trades into 6 set “trade periods”??? Give out say 30 trades and work on a fixture something like:

    6 to use up until the first MBR period (max 2 per week) (assumes an 8 week period)
    6 to use during MBR period 1 (max 3 per week) (assumes a 3 week period)
    4 to use between the MBR periods (max 2 per week) (assumes a 5 week period)
    6 to use during MBR period 2 (max 3 per week) (assumes a 3 week period)
    6 to use after MBR period 2 (including DT Finals) (max 2 per week) (assumes a 5 week period)

    = 24 weeks and 30 trades for the season but means no one will be able to burn away all their trades before finals start.

    Still keep the use it or lose it factor ie. If you don’t use trades during each period then they are gone forever. Maybe you could be allowed to bank one trade from the previous period to use in the next???

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      July 17, 2012 at 2:10 pm

      I guess that goes against the K.I.S.S. theory as you mentioned earlier and I think that is importan a) for management by VS and also for letting the casual DT’er understand quickly the process.

      Maybe back to your Use it or lose it system.

      I like your idea that you can’t trade in a player you just traded out. That HAS to be a part of it to stop short term selling of players with high BE’s. Althouh Isuggest maybe rather than a season ban on getting them back in your team a 6 week “cooling off period” where you can’t bring them back in might be better.

      You don’t want to start with Gaz & Swan have them both do a hammy in round 1 and have to trade them out never to be able to get them back again….

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        July 17, 2012 at 4:24 pm

        As I said earlier, I’ll be covering locked trades next week; but I’ll quickly comment here. I think the ‘compartmentalising’ of trades is fine, as long as there are as little limitations as possible. Not being able to pull a downgrade-upgrade because you only have 1 trade left in an allotted period of time would frustrate coaches no end I think. Hence, I’ll be looking at other options a little closer in the next edition of the Bullets.

        As you mentioned, VS have a very K.I.S.S personality when it comes to these decisions, as they should. I can’t emphasise this point enough – it’s all about maximising participation and interest.

        Your ‘cooling off’ period is very interesting, and one that I hadn’t considered. It does help with discerning LTIs from mid-term absences, and at first glance, I’m a fan.

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    July 17, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    Great article Tbetta.

    Been reading each article on DT talk for many years and now, first time poster. Apologies for the essay sized reply!

    I can understand the need to make changes based on the way the bye rounds are likely to be structured next year, but I think a lot of the issues that have happened this year are from DTers who have bought it uopn themselves. Yes, there’s been a ton of carnage – but one element of the banter and strategy that’s been thrown about over and over was how well impromptu fared last year with an agressive trading strategy. I think a lot of people were convinced that this was the way to go and it’s backfired on them. Bringing in something like unlimited trades in my opinion would only reward mediocrity. As the DT communite keeps growing, everyone gets a year older, wiser and more experienced with their strategy and playing the game. I wonder if those with no trades left at this point this year would trade as agressively again next year?

    I like the idea of having an extended bench, the option of using 3 trades during bye rounds etc but not the idea of having more trades overall or unlimited trades. My leagues are around 60% priority and ranking 40%. If we had unlimited trades, I’d go in with a team I know would do the job, but would be average-good in my opinion and would do just enough to finish in the top 8, but obviously would want to be higher. Taking in to consideration your idea to not be allowed to trade players in and out, I would look at the fixture and would completely avoid the super premo players from teams playing GWS, GC, Melbourne and say Port in the last 4 rounds and then stack the shit out of my team with them for finals, smashing everyone in my league in the process.

    Just FYI, I’ve got 10 trades left, $170k in the bank, have sat at around the 800-1000 mark in the rankings throughout the year and am no lower than 3rd in any of my leagues. I haven’t jumped on every risky rookie for the sake of a quick buck (Spurr, Darley, Campbell etc), or traded out anyone for a couple of bad scores. With the exception of trading Fyfe and Waters I’ve held my injured players. I would be dissappointed not to finish top 500 from here. I’ve been extemely calculated in my decisions and feel that unlimited trades undoes such planning and strategy.

    As I said, I can understand the rationale for change so as much of the DT community plays for as long as possible, but the purists need to stay motivated too. The masses have become school kids in year 1 and 2 of DT and good luck to them, it’s great having them on board, but the competition shouldn’t be compromised because they can’t resist burning their trades early on.

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      July 17, 2012 at 5:40 pm

      Great reply Ike, and well articulated.

      As a serious DTer, part of me agrees with you. The competitor in me likes the challenge thrown up over the last two years, and I make no excuses for my poor trading this year – aggressive trading was certainly not the way to go in the end.

      Unfortunately, the continued success and relevancy of the competition is reliant on the participation of the masses, for obvious commercial reasons. And yes, the masses are largely 1st/2nd year players, which I see as a positive – it means our competition is growing.

      However, I feel we’ll struggle to attract new coaches and even keep the newer coaches if we don’t change something to keep them interested. Without them, we don’t have a competition, so pleasing them is our utmost priority – our thirst for a challenge rightly takes a back seat.

      Having said that, I don’t believe this has to be a cut-off-the-leg-to-save-the-body scenario; there is a simple solution out there which can please both breeds of DTers. It will be one that makes the game simpler to play, but still difficult to master.

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        July 17, 2012 at 9:00 pm

        Thanks mate. Been some great debate in here today. Interesting times seeing what VS do with it next year.

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    July 17, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    Lots of really good ideas in here coaches… the passion everyone has for the game and the thought that’s gone into some of the replies is impressive! Kudos to tbetta for raising it throughout the season too, and keeping the ideas coming.

    I have to say the idea of demand-based pricing appeals to me. Everyone jumped on Carazzo this year, as they will other premos who bottom out (Goodes, Pendles, Murphy, etc.). If I’ve had the guy since the start and held onto him through injury, I’m not rewarded. Everyone gets him for the same price — a pre-determined based on stats alone and that can lead to vanilla teams towards the pointy end of the season.

    But if Carazzo held his value for what he was worth (not what he scored), only purists would benefit from selecting him as his price would hold a lot better based on potential.

    Say I am trying to offload Broughton… currently, regardless of demand for his services, I can actually do it for a designated price. This is not how real footy works.

    I don’t mind the idea of being able to set a price for a player and someone either buying him off me or not. I can choose his value and get it if the market is willing to pay it. The way I see it, true market value for players would help keep teams unique rather than clones of each other.

    One coach’s trash is another coach’s treasure… and would add an element of excitement to mid-week trading.

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    July 17, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    very fertile discussions..good stuff tbetta and co. Next year, to me, putting it simply, 7-8 guns, a few Waters, Hayes, Sidebottams, Barlows, mixed with a Porplyzia or two, a Docherty, Mitchell, Buntine, Kerridge perhaps…and a pair of dice.

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