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DT TALK reader Adam is looking at a theory of starting with a range of Dual Position Players in the midfield. It may just work! Read on for this thoughts.

I remember back in the days the ridicule you would give somebody if they played a dual position player in the Midfield rather than the Back/Fwd. Obviously at the time it was right to call these people Muppets because the dual position players could not be moved once they were picked. Wasting Didak or Chappy in the middle took up a spot that Ablett or Bartel could have used. Meanwhile your forwards had two less 100pt potential players.

But now that players can be rotated from position to position it raises a few propositions.

We all know the basic strategy of the game is to make money from a cash cow which then gets poured into an upgrade from mid ranger to premium.

So when picking your first team how should you actually make the most of this function? Obviously it is difficult to afford all of Swan, Boyd, Montagna and Bartel from the get go, there would be no money left for anything else. This is why we wait until they have dropped in price and catch them at their lowest point. So generally we can try and pick a midfield consisting of a few players who we think may be turn out to be  keepers but are reasonably priced, and a few cows. This way we still get the points coming in as we wait for cash. But in doing this we don’t leave ourselves the amount of spots we need to get all the best midfielders when they become available.

For example if you start with a midfield of

  • Bartel
  • Pendlebury
  • Murphy
  • Sewell
  • Harris
  • Swallow

You may have three keepers and three upgrades, that leaves you only three spots for the likes of Swan, Boyd, Montagna, Selwood, Stanton or whoever else pops up as a gun that year.

With the dual position function that we can now use it seems silly not to utilise it to the full. The idea I have is to start with a midfield full of dual position players then when all the cash cows are ripe you can move the dual players to their other positions leaving your six midfield spots for the best money can buy.

For example starting with a midfield of

  • Goddard
  • Didak
  • Gibbs
  • Goodes
  • Harvey
  • Morton

Would have the points rolling in and as each cash cow gets milked you could just transfer them one at a time to effectively upgrade a player in the forward or back. By doing this you are getting an upgrade in the middle and an upgrade in the other position at the same time and seems like a way to get an all star team.

By using this strategy I have come up with this team

DEF: Deledio –Bruce- Broughton- Grimes- Krakour- Otten –Heppell

MID: Goddard –Didak –Gibbs –Goodes –Harvey –Morton

RUC: Cox –McEvoy

FWD: Franklin – Riewoldt –Johnson – Higgins – Dangerfield–Zaharakis – Krakouer

55k in the bank.

Imagine this team once those midfielders replace the midrange backs/forwards and Swan, Boyd, Bartel etc get injected into the middle!

Obviously you need to pick the right bench cows and mid rangers who can be used as a dual link.

I know there must be a reason why this strategy won’t work but I can’t think of it right now!



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    March 1, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    The immediate problem that springs to mind is that you are now in deep trouble for a Captain if something should happen to Goddard.

    Maybe if you threw Chappy into the mids instead of Didak I could live with it?

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      March 1, 2011 at 8:12 pm

      definitely a unique method, could definitely work. Mcevoy is an issue though

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        Spot the Dog

        March 2, 2011 at 12:53 am

        Why is McEvoy an issue? One of my smokies for the year…

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          March 2, 2011 at 2:14 am


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      March 1, 2011 at 8:14 pm

      Additionally all the best money is available in the mid rookies. Here you have tied up 5 of those precious midfield spots. I would put my money on a team with more than 3 mid rooks taking home the bikkies this season.

      The other thing is that it is incredibly difficult picking the right mid priced cash cows anyway. Now you’re trying to pick the right mid price cash cows that also have DPP.

      Can I borrow your crystal ball when you are done?

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        March 2, 2011 at 2:58 pm

        Theres alot of good forward cash cows at the moment too

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    March 1, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    interesting write up i like it!!!

    I might keep a couple of midfield guns but apply this stragety for a couple of players

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    March 1, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    I could afford Swan, Boyd, Montagna and Bartel and have alot of those same players anyway, while having 88k left in the cap.

    It’s all very much-and-much, isn’t it?

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      March 1, 2011 at 8:33 pm

      At different points i’ve had those 4, i now have Sewell as 4th mid because I see value there, not that there is a guarantee he’ll crack the 100 average like he did in 2009. Nonetheless I think he’ll certainly average 90+ But as you say… it’s only my theory. If they all worked then there’d be no need for this discussion!

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      March 1, 2011 at 8:34 pm

      At different points i’ve had those 4, i now have Sewell as 4th mid because I see value there, not that there is a guarantee he’ll crack the 100 average like he did in 2009. Nonetheless I think he’ll certainly average 90+ But as you say… it’s only a theory. If they all worked then there’d be no need for this discussion!

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      March 2, 2011 at 8:39 am

      n5ive …. agreed. the team still has only 14 guns. i have 15 with alot of the same players plus swan, boyd montagna, chapman, cox and sandilands. the difference in strategy has allowed this team to have more mid-priced players such as morton, zaharakis, krakour, dangerfield and mcevoy rather than rookies. my view is a mzungu, richardson, swallow etc will do just as well scoring wise and allows me to have the premiums from the get go. the DPP play is a good part to this strategy but you can get the advantage of this with a few midfield DPP rookies.

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    March 1, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    ugh sorry about the double post

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    I love Dream team

    March 1, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    you have 55k in bank, is that including bench. do u think the stratagy would be more effective if you have some like muzungu starting in the mids, so you can save some cash?

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    March 1, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    hmm seems like you’re robbing peter to pay paul but i can’t work out why :)

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      March 1, 2011 at 8:50 pm

      robbing peter to pay paul… you weren’t just watching hot seat were you

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    I love Dream team

    March 1, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    so who will u swap gibbs and goddard with, heppell and?

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    March 1, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    One problem with this strategy is that you are reliant upon each midprice players consistently hitting their BE (which as we saw with the previous post on the Magic Number could be difficult) so they don’t drop in price. This is exacerbated by a high starting price (relative to the rookie alternatives) and existing injury/form concerns. So with the influx of quality ‘mature’ GC rookies (Iles, Swallow, and Harris just to name a few) who should punch out midprice scores for a fraction of the initial cost, it makes more sense to me not to punt on iffy midprices and bank the extra ca$h for a simple upgrade whenever you need.

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      March 1, 2011 at 9:51 pm

      I agree Mezz, Barlow & Pods spring to mind as last years golden eggs. I think with the wealth of GC rookies & Mature aged rookies you r hard pressed not to fill up ur benches & have a few starting I say. You are certain to get some cash outta most of these players, not some much with the mid priced guys, sorry!!!!!

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        March 1, 2011 at 11:36 pm

        All that said, i’ve decided to start with a $250k-ish midfielder (undecided between Shuey/McLean/Foley/Martin) so that i have a player I can upgrade to Montagna (Rnd 5) or Bartel (Rnd 7). Total team cost leaves me ~$150k for the transaction.

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    March 1, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    Perhaps i’ve misunderstood, but i just don’t see the value in having them in the mid position.
    Would it not be easier to find the cash cows in the middle rather than a DPP in the fwd/def position?
    Seems like the Goddards etc are taking up valuable midfield real estate.

    That said, i doubt you’ll see me driving a new Toyota anytime soon.

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    March 1, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    hmmm i figured it would get shot down in some way

    when i was doing the sums i was trying to figure out why it seemed to be perfect……start with great mids, then move them into the other areas and get great mids again leaving a team of guns.

    But i guess after reading your comments i realise that the mid priced mids may out perform the mid to high price defenders anyway (i gather thats what your saying)

    i still reckon there must be a way to use the dpp more to our advantage and i’m going to try something with it. i cant afford swan,boyd and ablett right from the start and i want them in. i cant see how to have a starting midfield of 100+ for each player in there without a: having keepers or b: having guns from other areas that can be moved out later….. its this or percevere with 80s from rookies or smokeys until the money comes in.

    by the way the actual team i posted was just thrown together to see what i could make with the price, i hadnt made all the dual possie links yet. and the bench players were all paid for also.

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      March 1, 2011 at 10:38 pm

      The real value in the DPP’s this year is to help work your way through the multi bye rounds 4 to 6 without a donut.
      Later in the year they will save you when the injuries start popping up.
      If you have traded all your rookie DPP’s out just buy another in even if they are not playing (like Dylan McNeil from Sydney last year) With 3 bench spots this year it will not be too risky.

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      March 1, 2011 at 11:04 pm

      I was toying with the idea of starting Chappy in the mids.
      Was thinking of not starting with Prestia, but picking him up before his 1st price change, if say he was looking to be a better propsition than, Knights for example, who wouldn’t have had his 1st price change, so no $ lost if he got injured.
      So this would take place at the end of round 3.
      Now I could swap Chappy back the fwd line with Prestia to mids.
      Rnd 4 mids- SWAN, BARTEL, JUDD, swallow, harris, prestia, (BOYD, callinan, i.smith)
      And likewise with the backs, Goddard to start in mids, with view to trade in Hibberd to swing with……
      I know its mad to trade early, but wether neccessary or not, could prove fruitful.

      N.b Even if I started with Prestia, Chappy would play round 1 in mids coz i dont want a mid bench consisting of 3 GC Suns, i.e Swallow, Harris, Prestia, for round 1.

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        March 1, 2011 at 11:31 pm

        In my case, I’d start with Chapstick and Buddy forward and flip Chapman to my mid bench for the Week 6 bye (no other fre/geel/haw players in the mid). This saves me starting two bench players (one of whom may not be a great scorer).

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        March 1, 2011 at 11:39 pm

        Nah, do it, eeps! Fortune favours the brave!
        If there’s one week a season where you can be confident that your starting 22 will all play its round 1.

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          March 2, 2011 at 1:57 pm

          Hmmmmmm, remembers back to 2009 Rd 1 where my starting rookie mid Liam Anthony was pulled at the last second even though the Kangas had known for days that he had stress fractures in his foot.

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            March 3, 2011 at 12:41 am

            hope you held him, absolute JET! and good value this year too

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      March 2, 2011 at 8:42 am

      the only reason you cant afford the swans, boyd etc is coz you want your mid priced players. find the rookies insteads who will score just aswell and you will be right to have your premiums from round 1.

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      March 2, 2011 at 11:44 am

      I don’t think you should look at it as ‘shot down’ adzman, but maybe just see it as telling you that you maybe shouldn’t base the whole team soley on this strategy alone – but you can use some of the concept of it with some of your team.

      i was having this debate on FF and i found myself second guessing why my gut tells me not to have Goddard or Chappy in the mids – what it is is that you may muck up your overall team structure and miss out on the rookie mid cash cows – but if you have one or two MPP (either fwd or back) in your midfield you can still use this strategy to an extent – but i would say you don’t want to do it for your entire midfield line, because of the risks and opportunity cost issues you’ve seen in most of the replies.

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    March 1, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    you will miss out on ALOT of quality cash cows to make that money!
    like having in the middle 4 rookies (2 starting 2 benched)
    you only have the 2, which everyone most likely has as well.
    but everyone else has 2 more making them cash.
    if it makes sence lol

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    March 2, 2011 at 12:16 am

    interesting article and nice thoery…but yer as above ur missing out on quality midfield cash cows from the start i.e swallow, gaff, etc

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    March 2, 2011 at 8:04 am

    Interesting strategy – but the risks of picking a gun mid-price player as well as having the DPP is too much to make it viable. However the strategy is worth while on picking rookies.

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    March 2, 2011 at 8:39 am

    So you’re suggesting:
    Combination of Guns and DPP Rookies in the Backs
    DPP guns in the Mids
    Combination of Guns and DPP Rookies in the Forwards

    So basically Guns & Rookies
    BUT if you swap the exact same team around using the DPP’s you get:
    All Guns in the Backs
    All DPP Rookies in the Mids
    All Guns in the Forwards

    Which I think is really a different strategy altogether, you don’t really need to have all your mids as DPP only one to swap with the backs and one to swap with the forwards would be ok to give some flexibility. Then the theory of starting with all Rookies in the middle has some merit because this is where most of the cash cow rookies are, and with the Magic number situation this year the top premiums in the mid will probably drop in price by around round 8.
    You would need to balance up the points lost from not having the midfield players who score 110+ in the first 8 rounds. But in theory you can afford more of the premium fwd/backs because these are cheaper than the premium mids.
    Interesting theory and I think one that as always could be part of a more balanced overall strategy.

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    March 2, 2011 at 8:46 am

    I like the theory but cant see it working. On the other hand i really like the B.McEvoy idea i to have gone with that combo of him and Cox, i can really see him hitting his straps this year (McEvoy). Just thought id let you in on my mids: Swan, Boyd, Judd, Montagna, Selwood, Shuey. (Harris, Mzungu, Wallis). Thoughts would be great cheers. Good write up bu the way :)

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      March 2, 2011 at 10:45 am

      nice midfield. bet you backs, fwds + or rucks are weak though.

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        March 3, 2011 at 12:45 am

        lose wallis for a round1 or GCS named rookie and trade down to Wallis when he eventually gets games

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    March 2, 2011 at 9:04 am

    Having 2 gun DPP back/mids and 2 fwd/mids in the midfield will allow you to bench for a mid player on their bye (on the theory that mid bench will score more than a def or fwd bench) and switch with other DPP from def or fwd when it is their bye to do the same.

    EG: Goddard, Gibbs in mid and delidio in backs, Chapman, Sylvia and Morton in fwd line.

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    March 2, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    The main problem is that with these gun DPP players you need to have a second DPP rookie to swap him with. Your rookies are gonna have to be mainly DPP players so that this plan works easily, which will mean you could miss out on the big cash cows and not make enough money too pay for the likes of Swan and Montagna.

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    March 2, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    Now I have a third team to choose from. Each team is a different strategy haha. (GNR, MPP, and now DPP Mids)
    Sometimes I kinda want to have three different accounts just to see which team goes best.

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    March 3, 2011 at 3:15 am

    I did something similar to this..

    My team was originally…

    Backs – 6 guns, Otten, Rookie x3
    Mids – 3 guns, Swallow, Harris, Rookie x4
    Rucks – Cox, Petrie
    Forwards – 5 Guns, Knights, Krakouer.

    I tossed up… In backs Goddard > Waters/other (undecided then in mids Monty > Goddard. Goddard to be swapped into the backs when Hibberd is good to cash in… therefore I’m set with 7 premium backs before the year even starts.

    It also gives the advantage that this method has that I can now select one of the best for Hibberd..

    Therefore 2 actual srs midfield guns in Boyd + Swan, + 4 upgrade options, although still starting with 3 premium midfielders and 6 premium backs, (to be 7 prem backs and 2 prem mids)

    It gives me the ability to buy the best and get the best midfield cashcows.

    I now also have $113k left over which I might use to up Swallow/similar to Foley.

    Therefore leaving me with only 2 players who haven’t had AFL experience in my side…

    I can also get Monty back in later if he is firing with one of these rooks…

    I like this strategy very much now, any criticisms?

    It also gives me an extra $100k..

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      March 3, 2011 at 6:28 pm

      Going for something roughly along those lines myself.

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    March 17, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    The problem I see is that you need matching DPPs at “end” to accomplish the switches -and there aren’t so msny DPP amongst the cash cows. To move, say a Goddard, from mid to de then you need a DPP M/D cas cow already in defence as a match. Might not be all that easy en-masse.

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