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Toby Greene – Deck of DT 2017

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Image result for toby greene Toby Greene
Team: GWS Giants
Position: Forward
AFL Fantasy: $560,000
Bye Round: 13
2016 Average: 92.7
2016 Games Played: 21
Predicted Average: 95

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Why should I pick him?

Full disclosure: I have an unhealthy amount of man love for Toby Greene. (You didn’t know?)

Toby burst onto the scene in 2012 (the Giants first season), and averaged an incredible 96.2 points from 19 games, which included 8 scores above 100, and a high of 146! Whilst he didn’t quite replicate those highs in 2013 (a change of role saw him playing more forward than midfield, in a team that was still getting spanked from week-to-week), he bounced back in 2014 and averaged 102.9 points from 15 games. From Round 17 to Round 23, he had scores of 118, 93, 116, 127, 126, 165 and 125 – for a  MASSIVE 7-game average of 124 points – PIG LIKE! Again, a change of role was a factor in his 2015 output, when he averaged 85.6 from 22 games.

In 2016, Toby was the 9th highest averaging forward in the competition, with an average of 92.7 across 21 games, which included 8 scores above 100 and a high f 141. If you now remove those who are no longer forward eligible (Zach Merrett, Dustin Martin, Aaron Hall, Dayne Zorko, Leigh Montagna, and Michael Barlow), he becomes the 3rd highest scoring forward based on 2016 statistics. He also topped off his 2016 season with inclusion into the All-Australian team – a monumental effort.

Although very dangerous around goal (he scored an amazing 39 goals in 2016), he is not a player that opposition teams will often put a lock down defender on. His disposal, certainly not the cleanest disposal in the AFL, doesn’t really ‘hurt’ teams (a strange thing to say for a half forward flanker who nearly kicked 40 goals), and opposition small defenders would typically go to a Deledio/Devon Smith/Stevie J type. He also floats through the midfield, where he can rack up some solid tackling numbers and inside ball.

Toby is also a very smart footballer. A genuine footballer, who is great to watch. He knows where to run, where to find there ball, and often bobs up when you don’t expect him to. Surprise points, yeah! You also know he’s a bit of a mongrel, you know he is lippy and get’s under the skin of opposition players – it makes watching him even that bit more fun!

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Why shouldn’t I pick him?

As much as I love Toby, he is prone to the odd stinker. In Rounds 1 and 3 last year, he scored only 56 and 52 points. Not such a good start to the season, especially after averaging 124 in his last 7 the year earlier. He can float in and out of games, which can be frustrating. He can have a 20 point first half and end up on 110, but he can also put up a 70 points first half and end of 85.

The GWS forward line in 2017 welcomes the inclusions of Tim Taranto (from all reports, ready to go in Round 1) and Brett Deledio, both of which you will likely see up forward in 2017. They also have Stevie J and Devon Smith floating through the forward line – is there room for all 5 of them? How will this affect Toby’s game? In an ideal world, this will see him push into the midfield more (where he is a ball-winning, tackling warrior), but the midfield depth at the Giants (Coniglio, Shiel, Ward, Kelly, Scully, Whitfield (albeit suspended for the first half of the year)) means that spots are tough. I think we will also see more of Jacob Hopper and Matt Kennedy in 2017 (how bloody strong is this Giants team by the way – might as well hand them the cup now!) who both are hard nut inside midfielders as well – this will almost certainly constrain Toby to the forward half of the ground.

My biggest gripe with Toby (perhaps not Toby himself, but the role he plays), is that he is a genuine midfielder, but doesn’t quite get the midfield minutes because of the giants star-studded midfield, as mentioned above. At any other team in the competition, he’d be an inside midfielder that goes forward, and not a half forward flanker that pushes into the midfield. So you know how good he is, winning an All-Australian gig playing a role that isn’t necessarily his best position. What he could do if he played midfield full-time!

As mentioned above – he is a bit of a mongrel. He’s been suspended, he’s had a few off-field ‘misdemeanors’, and if you follow him on Insta/Twitter, you know that he doesn’t mind a bit of socialising and the odd froffy or two. But hey – it didn’t effect Dusty or Swanny, did it?

Deck of DT Rating.

KING – With forward options a heck of a lot more scarce in 2017, you can’t really go past a consistent young gun, who still has upside – at only 23 years of age, and an integral cog of the soon-to-be-dominant Giants team, the only way is up. At the absolute minimum I think he will average 90, but i also think he can push his average back above 100, with the right role.

Will Toby be a top 6 forward by the end of 2017?

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  1. Euman


    January 21, 2017 at 10:00 am

    We does Fantasy start when will it be available? DT and sc been up for weeks all the prices have been revealed so let’s go. I paid my gold subscription supposed to go to 31 January each year and I ain’t been able to use it. Even DT and SC I could go in check stats in players from 2016 and also review my own stats. Fantasy just locks that’s it thanks for coming wtf?

    • Warnie


      January 21, 2017 at 10:27 am

      AFL Fantasy Classic will be open very soon. For the record, there is no team picker as part of the Fantasy Coach subscription and SC/DT isn’t open, they just have a team picker open.

      There’s more to opening a competition than just having the prices worked out. Hang tight, there’s still 60 days until lockout.

      Oh and Toby Greene… upgrade target for me.

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        January 21, 2017 at 12:58 pm

        Stop holding out on us Warnie, when is it going to open? lol

        Im sure if AFL Fantasy wanted to, they could have opened it up 2 months ago.

      • Euman


        January 21, 2017 at 1:30 pm

        Cheers Warnie but as stated the SC & RDT still allow me access to my team from last year and also i can access all the stats as well which helps me in selecting or considering players for this year. I understand that it takes a lot to setup but surely Fantasy could have it open so we can look at our history for the year and results and players performance’s and then just have an upgrade patch applied for new season rather than just no access at all is all im am saying. I find the comments you make very defensive, you sound like a politician and obviously have a vested interest or at least it is blinded, your responses are quite subjective rather than objective. Maybe they could look at it in the future or at least consider not just dismiss my query. Best wishes and regards to you and Fantasy.

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          January 21, 2017 at 1:41 pm

          Dude you’ve literally complained about something on every single deck article this pre season. Everyone is waiting for it to open. Patience young man. Warnie is probably getting frustrated answering the same query every 24 hours he doesn’t have a crystal ball, the fact he’s giving us an idea is enough. It’s January, these competitions take time. Good things come to those who wait.

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            January 21, 2017 at 1:51 pm

            Warnie doesn’t need a crystal ball, he has close contact with AFL Fantasy haha. Because somebody is keen for a game/comp to open that means they’re a young man? ….I don’t understand why it’s such a big secret, if it opens in 3 weeks time oh well atleast we know then.

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            January 21, 2017 at 1:57 pm

            because it’s better to not say and then release it when it’s ready

            rather than say “it’ll be ready on Feb 2” and then rush it out, and see LOADS of issues with it on launch (app not working, whatever)

            I’m in the camp with the next person as to the release (in that I would like it out tomorrow) but at the end of the day, the first game of the NAB challenge (or whatever it is) isn’t for another 26 days (Thurs Feb 16th is first game), so all you’ll be doing before the is comparing apples with apples

          • Euman


            January 22, 2017 at 12:46 pm

            Mind your own business mate cheers worry about yourself.

          • Euman


            January 22, 2017 at 2:59 pm

            And your comments are actually untrue and false I find them very offensive just mind your business thank you very much appreciated if you did best wishes and Regards Euan

          • Euman


            January 22, 2017 at 7:34 pm

            And your comments are actually untrue and false I find them very offensive just mind your business thank you very much appreciated if you did. I further believe you are a bully by your comments and your actions. Surely i am allowed to voice my displeasure thoughts and comments. Please locate and review all of my previous posts around about 100 i would say (2017 pre-season only) and you will find that complaints register around 4 or 5 if that ( I think its more like 2-3) buts till less than 5%.

            I therefore firmly believe you owe me an apology!!!!!!

            Best wishes and Regards Euan

          • Euman


            January 22, 2017 at 7:35 pm

            Do you work for this site? If so please direct me to the complaints department as i find your remarks without any research or back up offensive.

        • Warnie


          January 21, 2017 at 2:04 pm

          I could be good at politics.

          I’m not blinded and my vested interest is about knowing my place. You have to understand my position that I can’t just reveal all that I know here. As you hopefully understand, we are content providers – we don’t make the game… or are in a position to make any calls. There are people in higher positions that are there ticking things over.

          Have you considered there’s a reason why a date hasn’t been announced? There’s a multitude of reasons why it’s not open now. When setting up any competition, there are permits that need to be signed off by all of the governing states. A game cant open and collect data, etc without this being signed off – you will notice you have have to register again for SC and DT when it opens. Things like prizing don’t just happen in 5 minutes, there are a lot of stakeholders out there. Then there’s the backend design (which will see a few more updates over the coming weeks)… etc. It’s complex.

          I get your point on the stats – although, as someone here in December/January, you will know there are a crazy amount of sites to get data from. With the access to your team from last year. I guess they put the site into a development stage earlier than before. You will get to see all of your history from the last three seasons when you log in.

          Stick with it, Euman. It’s not going to be far away.

          • Warnie


            January 21, 2017 at 2:06 pm

            Long story short. I don’t know a date, but it isn’t far away… just waiting on a box to two to be ticked.

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            January 21, 2017 at 2:15 pm

            but with the stats, you don’t need a fantasy site actually open to do that….
            I personally (because I’m that way) have been collating stats for the past 2 years, generally updating for EVERY player as soon as their team’s game is finalised (typically around 15 minutes after the final siren)

            at the minute, all an open 2017 site does is allow you to compare apples with apples (in a much faster way than plugging in numbers manually) – you can’t experiment with rookies yet (because all people have been doing is training) so there’s completely nothing to go on

            I’d rather have had a fantasy site open a few weeks ago (would be a nice Christmas present) – but there’s not really anything I can do until the opening game of the preseason competition (on Thurs Feb 16th)
            if it’s not up by then, then fantasy [or whoever is running a competition for 2017] deserves all the backlash they get, but there’s nothing to be gained by opening it early (and given the last few bug-filled releases, I’d rather they get polished off before I get my mitts on it)

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              Buddy Heeney

              January 21, 2017 at 8:50 pm

              So when will it be ready….
              Lol jks

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            January 21, 2017 at 2:16 pm

            @ Adam …I love comparing apples with apples.

            @ Warnie … fair enough, cant blame a man for trying, thanks for your feedback.

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            The Chosen Won

            January 21, 2017 at 2:49 pm

            Lets face facts, The real reason its not open is Warnie is trying to have 3 trades a week every week added to his account so he can beat Calvin this year!

            Nothing to see here move on!

            Good Luck

          • Euman


            January 22, 2017 at 12:48 pm

            Cheers Warnie fair answer and yes I do subscribe to sites you mention DT Live so can get what I need I am just being Prima Donna

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    January 21, 2017 at 11:31 am

    I feel like one bad game and he’s out of the team for one of the younger guys for a few games

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      January 21, 2017 at 12:54 pm

      I think it would take more than one bad game … not sold on Toby, not sure why? never had him in my team.

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        January 21, 2017 at 2:06 pm

        why would they have gone after Deledio in the offseason then?
        Deledio, SJ, DSmith and Greene are all vying for the HFF slots (of which there are 2) plus you’ve got the resting midfielder that will rotate through there
        with Greene, he won’t become a full time midfielder at the Giants because his ball-use is TERRIBLE (it’s part of the reason he was shunted to half-forward in the first place)

        now that he’s become more of a goal sneak forward with potential midfield minutes, I wouldn’t expect a 100+ average from him, as well as missing 2-5 games (with the blooding of youngsters, as well as general competition for spots)

        as for his scoring, I’d bank on more of the same from him, or somewhere between the 93-95 mark, with the odd shocker thrown in (for when he doesn’t kick 2-3 goals per game) – he had 3 games under 60 last year

        personally, he’s a watchlist candidate for upgrades – I’ll probably jump on if he has 2 50s scores in a row (to watch that price bottom out nicely) and he lacks the ceiling (only one score last year over 120 – granted it was a 141, but he only passed 120 once) to really hurt you in a league match up

        also, I’m kinda curious how GWS will go about things, so a couple of early sighters (particularly for a guy like Greene, but generally) is probably a good option, as they lack the real premium options to kill you (and it is noticeable if someone is on a tear – I personally picked Coniglio to go well after watching him blanket Steven in rd5 [vs StKilda])

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          January 23, 2017 at 4:51 am

          Lids will play as a defensive wing, SJ was FP all season in 2016. Greene and Devon will play the flanks. Sorted.

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      January 22, 2017 at 12:35 pm

      He was All Australian on the field for heaven sake his spot in the side is safe unless a stretch of bad form like any player in the game.

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    January 21, 2017 at 9:12 pm

    Probably gonna be top 6 (which disgusts me as someone who rage traded the little prick r1 last year), he’s still an absolute no hope for a starter, wait for him to shit out something disgusting and catch him at a nice price.

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    January 22, 2017 at 9:46 am

    Re AF start….was it last year that they had the RD1 bungle?
    so many people disgruntled.

    • Warnie


      January 22, 2017 at 9:51 am

      A few hundred were affected by this – and yep, a lot of disharmony. There’s a solution in place to help make sure people submit eligible teams this season.

  5. Euman


    January 22, 2017 at 3:03 pm

    As to Toby Greene I’m unsure Gws has lots of options and some new ones too will wait n see (side note for Leighroy these comments are not complaints just to make sure you can tell the difference oh great one)

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    Green Ninja

    February 5, 2017 at 7:28 pm

    Toby took me on a massive roller coaster early last year and I flicked him in AFL fantasy and kept in SC/RDT.

    I hadn’t considered him this year but you are right about likely getting some mid time (Whitfield out) and Stevie J/Deledio filling flanks & pockets

    Maybe he is worth the headache because GWS will rack em up and we need their cobverage. With many DPP’s gone he gets back on my radar

    Thanks for reminding us

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