Richmond Tigers 2012 DT Preview

The year that was 2011 saw the Tigers continue their ‘development’ of their younger core group of players under coach Damien Hardwick, but in saying that, they still finished 12th with 8 wins, 13 losses, and a draw. Down at Punt Rd there are high expectations for 2012 and realistically they should be able to climb the ladder, only time will tell how far that climb will be (if at all). The Tigers were somewhat up and about during trade week; with their main deal securing big man Ivan Milat as he jumped the Crow’s ship looking for more opportunities. Steven Morris was the other deal struck, a mature ager also coming across from the city of churches via GWS. He should play upwards of 15 games barring injury this season in my opinion – clubs don’t trade in the older boys for no reason.

BEST 22:

B: B.Ellis – A.Rance – C.Newman
HB: B.Houli – D.Grimes – S.Grigg
C: B.Deledio – D.Jackson – N.Foley
HF: R.Conca – T.Vickery – S.Edwards
F: J.King – J.Riewoldt – R.Nahas
R: I.Maric – T.Cotchin – D.Martin

INT: S.Morris J.Batchelor D.Connors S.Tuck

EMG: B.Helbig M.Dea L.McGuane

The Draw:

The Tigers have a tough start to 2012, having to play 4 of the top 5 teams (Carlton, Collingwood, Geelong, West Coast) from 2011 in the first 5 rounds. Ouch! And it gets worse. By the time the yellow and black finish their Rnd 10 game against St. Kilda, they will have played every top 8 team from last year – for the mathematically challenged out there like myself, that’s 8 out of their first 10 games!

They share the Rnd 13 bye with only 2 DT relevant teams in Carlton & Hawthorn (some may say St. Kilda as well) so there should be some room on the bench for any Tiges you might choose to go with, except for the backline pine.
The potential for upgrades to any tigers after the bye looks tasty, as they only play Carlton (for the 2nd time) from last year’s top 8, and get to feast on Port Adelaide, Adelaide, Melbourne & Essendon all for the second time. Another positive is that they only travel out of Victoria on 6 occasions during the 2012 season.

Defenders:

Brett Deledio – DEF/MID – $452,100 – 2011 Av. 91.4
The dual Jack Dyer Medallist has been in every serious DTers backline for the past 4 or 5 years, and should be there again in 2012. There is always pre-season hype about players and how they’re going, and from all reports Lids is as fit as any and also earmarked for more midfield time this season. With the recruitment of other running backs over the past few years including Grigg, Houli, Ellis & Morris, it frees up Deledio to move into the guts. Since 2008 he has averaged 97.5, 96, 89.4 and 91.4. Add to this the durability of only missing 3 games since his debut in 2005 and here you have the ultimate DT backman that should average 95 minimum! Lock him in!

Is he starting for the ‘Last Kids Picked’ in 2012? 100%

Bachar Houli – DEF – $415,300 – 2011 Av. 84

Some might be surprised to see Bachar in here, but it is fact he is Richmond’s second best backman in DT terms. He was recruited from Essendon at the end of the 2010 season to add more run out of the backline and to free up the man above. For the first time in his career he played all 22 games last year at an average of 84 – but this was as midfielder status. Obviously you wouldn’t touch him there, but he is now classed as a defender and looms as a bit of a smokey for someone looking to go unique. As the tigers get better he should see more of the ball as he plays that quarter back role and with scores of 114, 116, 115, 127 and 118 last year, it shows he is capable of going big on occasions.

Is he starting for the ‘Last Kids Picked’ in 2012? Probably not because of the Rnd 13 bye for backman, and the fact lids will be there.

Mids:

Trent Cotchin – MID – $463,400 – 2011 Av. 93.7

The next captain of the Tigers had his most consistent year in 2011, both DT and career wise. He played all 22 games, won the Jack Dyer Medal, and averaged 93.7 (up from 74 in 2010). With a full pre-season under his belt he should be raring to go by Rnd 1 for the first time in his career. This bloke will win a Brownlow one day, but can he improve his scoring output to be part of the elite? He had 10 scores over 100 last year but when he is bad, he’s really bad with 7 scores under 80. As he matures he should become more consistent in this area, but the awkward price tag and Barlow 40k cheaper may see him out of contention for this year.

Is he starting for the ‘Last Kids Picked’ in 2012? If he’s pushing out 100’s in the NAB, maybe…

Shane Edwards – MID – $307,200 – 2011 Av. 62.1

I could not find another decent midfielder from the Tigers to put in here, so I’ve gone with a real smokey. If anyone is going for a Mid-price Mayhem team, Shane Edwards could be your man. From all reports he is tearing up the track and has put on 4 or so kilos. He has only missed 2 games in the last 2 years and if he gets more midfield time he could have a breakout year as the Tigers improve. Definitely offers something out of left field.

Is he starting for the ‘Last Kids Picked’ in 2012? No, awkward price and not showing enough potential at the moment.

Rucks:

Ivan Maric – RUCK – $262,700 – 2011 Av. 59

The solution to Richmond’s ruck problems, apparently. Big Ivan was recruited from Adelaide after playing 74 games and averaging 55 DT points over his career at the crows. The 25 yr old will almost certainly take over the #1 ruck spot at Punt Rd, as Graham and Browne are putrid. Last year in the SANFL he averaged just over 10 possessions, 3 mark, 20 hit outs and a goal from his 13 games. If you’re low on cash he could be a very viable selection in your side. Watch him in the NAB.

Is he starting for the ‘Last Kids Picked’ in 2012? High possibility – new club, 25 years old when ruckmen start to flourish, will definitely have the #1 spot.

Forwards:

Dustin Don’t Argue Martin – MID/FWD – $442,500 – 2011 Av. 89.4

The huge unit has better stats at the age of 20 than Chris Judd had. But that’s not why every DTer on this site will have him in their teams. It’s because of many reasons; it may be easier to put them in dot points:

  • He is about to start his famous 3rd year in the system.
  • His average has increased from 71.4, to 89.4 in his first 2 years– the graph is heading in the skyward direction.
  • He kicks goals – 33 in 2011 as a midfielder
  • His 141 last year tells us both his ceiling and potential are huge.
  • This year he is leaner and fitter than ever before, ready to explode.
  • He has played 43 of a possible 44 games in his career.
  • And finally, possibly the most important reason, he is a MID/FWD, so he will slot perfectly as your 2nd or 3rd forward and not take up one of those precious midfield spots.

Is he starting for the ‘Last Kids Picked’ in 2012? ABSOLUTELY, 100%, the man is a jet and should be a LOCK for all teams!

Tyrone Vickery – FWD – $323,100 – 2011 Av. 65.3

Vicks is my big call this year, I think he will have a super breakout, and I’m going to go out on a debatable limb and say he’ll average 90. Including the 9 games in his debut year, this will be Vickery’s 4th year in the system, a good time for big men like himself. He took his average from 41.4 (2010) to 65.3 in 2011 and with an improving midfield and trying to be not so Riewoldt conscious, I can see this rising in the same pattern. He played all 22 games last year and has well and truly cemented his spot at CHF for the Tigers. At the end of 2011 he pushed out a few 80’s, but more importantly, started to look a real force at CHF. As I said it’s a huge call but one worth considering.

Is he starting for the ‘Last Kids Picked’ in 2012? 50/50 at this stage, if he can show  potential in the NAB cup then he’s a chance.

Draftees:

Brandon Ellis – DEF – $116,700 – Pick #15 National Draft

The Tigers first pick in the National Draft, the well built defender reads the play very well. Represented Vic Metro at the NAB AFL U18 Championships and showed his potential with 29 disposals against NSW/ACT. He averaged 18.2 disposals at TAC Cup level. He should play 15+ games in my opinion, especially with Deledio moving into the midfield. Also smashing out the pre-season (like everyone else).

Is he starting for the ‘Last Kids Picked’ in 2012? Perfect for a rookie spot in the backline, possibly starting on the green stuff.

Todd Elton – FWD – $98,700 – Pick #26 National Draft

Drafted at #26 in the National Draft, Todd Elton is 197cm/92kg and has the ability to cleanly gather the ball below his knees and dispose effectively. He recorded 2.93 seconds in the 20m sprint and 89cm in the running vertical jump test, placing him in the top 1 per cent at the NAB AFL Draft Combine. Could see games later in the year as the 3rd tall in Richmond’s forward line

Is he starting for the ‘Last Kids Picked’ in 2012? Possible downgrade target, but generally big men take longer to develop.

Matthew Arnot – MID – $98,700 – Pick #55 National Draft

Recruited from losing grand final side Oakliegh Chargers in the TAC Cup Arnot is a nuggety left-footed midfielder/back flanker, He averaged 10.8 kicks, 8.4 Handballs, 3.5 marks and an impressive 5.45 tackles in 2011 over 20 games in the TAC cup. Watch his role (if any) during the NAB Cup.

Is he starting for the ‘Last Kids Picked’ in 2012? If he gets a game early and keeps tackling like a mad-man, will consider.

Steven Morris – MID – $104,200 – 2011 SANFL DT Av. 65

The Back Pocket in the SANFL 2011 Team of the Year, Morris was on-traded to Richmond from GWS for a variety of picks and the 23 yr old defender should slot straight into the Tigers best 22 this year. He averaged 18 disposals, 3 marks and 2 tackles in the SANFL last year for a DT average of 65. In comparison, Puopolo and Duigan averaged 69 and 59 respectively in the 2010 season before they were drafted, they then went on to average 72 and 68 and increase in price by about $150k.

Is he starting for the ‘Last Kids Picked’ in 2012? Backline Pine!

Hope this helps some people here… Love to hear criticism/thoughts…

Good luck for DT 2012!

By tigesboy13

42 Comments

  • never been the first to comment so had to do it once 1ST

  • Hey great preview spot on with just about everything, i think i played against you in the DT Talk Tigers League last year from memory.

    Here’s how i think the Tiger’s year will go, a bad loss against the Blues in round 1, fans will call for the coaches head, we get a good win against a big club, lose the next four including the Giants, fans will scream for Tuck to be recalled, finals become out of reach, we start winning with the pressure off and we finish 9th … happens every year.

    • yes yes yes yes

    • You probably gave me a touch up no doubt!

      Yeah spot on if the boys dont beat melbourne in rnd 3 or port over there in round 6 we cld be 0 – 8 after 8… Going to have to win alot of games after the bye to catch up that sort of mess…

  • Great work!
    I’ve got a lot of Tigers in my team at the moment so I hope they show some real improvement this year!
    If you could only choose one out of Ellis or Morris which one would it be?

  • ivan milat haha

  • Great write up mate – I’ve got a number of Tigers players on my shortlist – Deledio and Martin are locked in though. Will be considering Houli, Ellis and Morris in the backline too.

  • Martin, Cotchin, Conca, delids, ellis all starting for me

  • Good effort

    Just a couple of points on your best 22.

    B: B.Ellis – A.Rance – C.Newman
    HB: B.Houli – D.Grimes – S.Grigg
    C: B.Deledio – D.Jackson – N.Foley
    HF: R.Conca – T.Vickery – S.Edwards
    F: J.King – J.Riewoldt – R.Nahas
    R: I.Maric – T.Cotchin – D.Martin

    INT: S.Morris J.Batchelor D.Connors S.Tuck

    EMG: B.Helbig M.Dea L.McGuane

    Post will play CHB (see RFC website interview)
    Grigg best games in 2011 was away from defence (bench).
    Daniel Jackson will not play in the centres.
    Riewoldt will play CHF and Astbury will be in the fwd pocket.
    Conca will play on the wing (Conca Martin Deledio) and the ruck/rover (Maric Cotchin Foley).

    Connors would be replaced with Helbig.

    • riewaldt wont play chf ,no chance

    • Grigg will have to go back there if Lids’ move go through as said
      Jackson is only in the middle there as tagging opp best midfielder
      Yeh i think Riewoldt will be tried in other places but he is a full forward through and through..
      Conca yeah probably on the wing more good option

      • and Milat will have to shake a tough tag as well. there are a lot of bad jokes but let’s just say that Ivan Maric might be a good addition

  • woa thats a horror start to the season,and im not sold on deledio going into the midfield.i expected him to do that last season,if not last yr why now ?,but youd hope that is the case.and it seems morris and ellis are just a given to score well,not sure about that either.
    luv the tigers their who i follow,but sick of seeing lids play last yrs role.im a tragic so ill prob go with a few of them again,but seriously thinking about it,will have to stop though because its giving me a headache allready

    • Deledio was played in the backs due to his elite disposal.

      Even though Houli was recruited to bolster the midfield; he has now replaced Deledio in the backs enabling Delidio to move to the centres.

      “RICHMOND star Brett Deledio will return to the midfield next year after several seasons playing across the half-back line.

      Coach Damien Hardwick said the recruitment of a number of quality ball users meant Deledio, 24, would get his wish to play in the middle.

      “With the players who we’ve brought in – with the addition of Steven Morris, Brandon Ellis has come in there and we’ve got Bachar Houli and Matty Dea – we probably think Brett will play more midfield next year than he has previously,” Hardwick said yesterday at the Richmond training camp in Tucson, Arizona.”

      http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmonds-brett-deledio-set-for-return-to-midfield/story-e6frf9jf-1226212661356

  • Interesting read, you’ve got me slightly more keen on Dusty but he doesn’t fit in at this stage. I’ll be watching richmond’s backline very closely this preseason as to who will be the next best dt slut behind Lid’s and which rookie looks the goods, if any.

  • Is it weird to have a man crush on Dustin Martin.
    I fucking love this guys game!

  • No word on Nahas? Lots of potential there in my eyes.

    • Nahas suffers from the problem of his light build.

      Richmond has the following players that could take his role as small forward:

      Shane Edwards –
      Poor disposal by foot means he will not be part of the midfield rotation.
      He could try the small forward role to minimise the impact on the side (example Jake King was moved from defence). This could be the reason for his weight gain.

      Jake King

      Dean MacDonald

      Addam Maric – Rookie

      Gibson Turner – Rookie

      Richmond can elevate a rookie @ round 1.

      Nahas can provide run through the centre however his slight build means he is easily brushed aside by larger opponents and he needs to improve his decision making.

      • yeh wouldnt go near nahas, hes so little hes just as likely to go backwards then forwards imo, wouldnt suprise me to see him finish top 5 in the b&f but also wouldnt suprise me to see him lose his spot. way to risky

  • I’d go Foley over Edwards as a mid-priced smoky. If he returns to his best is capable of 95+ scores.

  • read today that derickx could push for a spot? if not against milat than deep forward.. mature body, base pirce, any chance?

    • It was expected that he would compete with Ivan Maric, Angus Graham and Andrew Browne for the main ruckman’s role, but his work during the pre-season has been geared towards him playing as a tall forward with the occasional run on the ball.

      “I still wouldn’t mind getting into the midfield and getting into the game,” he said.

      “But I’m fine if I just get in the team.”

      http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/127996/default.aspx

      NAB cup form and it also depends how Astbury is recovering.

  • Ivan Milat killed it in the Belanglo League a few years back.
    Has great smothering technique and evasive skills.

    • Some things are funny. That is not.

      Hope no one close to any of those poor folk has to read your sick excuse for humour.

  • Should i go,

    Morris or Ellis ?

  • Overall great article but am pretty gobsmacked at the call made on Vickery, to jump from an average of 65-90 in 2012! Based on what exactly? That he’s hit 80 a few times in his career and is entering his 4th year in the system? If he could even average 80 he’d be a great pickup so will be keeping my eye on him but seriously man, a few 80’s in 2011 doesn’t warrant an expected rise of 25 in his average! He played all 22 games last year and only managed a 65 average… sounds pretty shit to me. Plenty of 1st year kids did far better.

    • Hence the “Huge Call” and “Debatable limb”… Thought be better to have a go rather than stick with the same names over and over!

      • fair call, hope you’ve discovered some gold :0)

      • Nah, fair call. I won’t be going with him, but I agree. I have him bracketed with Zac Clarke as the two talls to really make the jump up in class & DT scoring ability.

        @Dools – his ability to read the ball in the air is elite, combined with great hands. At the end of the season he also seemed to be just getting his confidence in front of the sticks. He may not hit 90, but, if not, he’ll still get mid-80s.

  • nice write up and some good comments above, however Conca played a lot in the back last season ans was given roles of shut down to develop his defensive skills, having a great preseason and a definate starter in the midfield, don’t see anything on him above? at mid $200K playing in the middle i thought he might be on peoples radars, i mean the kid can play right ,lift to 70-80 possible he averaged mid 90’s over 6 games last season…

  • Great read, God I love footy. Tossing up between Houli and Adcock but with the round 13 byes it’s hard to squeeze Bachar in at this stage. The NAB cup should be a great insight to the mighty tiges this year, bring it on!

  • man the tiges offer a lot better value than this time last year! Plenty of more food for thought (like I bloody needed it!)

  • Freaking great write up!

    I think that Morris / Ellis debate will be ended by the rd 1 team. I just hope that Ellis doesn’t get named, then play two games, then Morris comes in and plays the rest of the season.

    Last year I got on the mature age players to early. I.Smith, Puopollo, and Hibbard were more downgrade targets and I traded Hibbard out only to get him back in!

    Delids and Martin are two of the biggest Lockwood’s in history.

    Anyone who wants to choose Vickery may as well get Tippett as well hahahah. Together they would be great in mash potato, two different types of spuds combined to make a great food for the poor!

    Ivan is tempting but I don’t have the cherries to pick him.

    The best thing I got from this article was Houli av 84! As I have said previously, I will go for overall / quitting drinking one year, but this is not that year! With Houli improving in a team that will get lots of ball in defense (Richmond!) he is tempting.

    Cheers

  • anyone watching connors?

  • Can anybody give me an update on Kelvin Moore is he worth putting in my backline ?