Not quite as many big scores in round 8 but we still managed to get through it ok and despite a bit of a scare with Max Gawn going in for some scans on his knee we seem to have come out of it largely unscathed. But what the round did is ask plenty of questions and it didn’t provide too many answers for us. So let’s have a look at a few of the bigger issues as well as having a look at a few of your questions. Let’s Scramble!
Is there ever a good time to select or trade a player?
We all want to trade our rookies when they reach their peak and we want to trade in the fallen premiums when they reach the bottom of their price cycle. But we all know that this isn’t always going to happen. So let’s have a chat about what we should do in that situation and hopefully it will give you a bit of help as we head to the byes and we start to (hopefully) finish off our upgrades to our teams.
The key to selecting players to trade out isn’t always trying to get the exact week they will peak. That is often not possible. When looking at who to trade out obviously their BE vs what they can score is important but also things to consider include what sort of a run do they have coming up? Are they going to be playing against teams that are easy to score against or difficult. Also look at whether their current role will change when a player returns to the side from a longer term injury. Someone may be having a great run and rising in price very quickly but they may be playing ‘out of position’ in the midfield whilst someone else is out, so as soon as that other player is named to come back you may want to drop your rookie.
I also look at whether or not I need the extra cash that that player is worth to upgrade someone else. So I may have a rookie that is up to $400k but still has a bit more to make and another that is maxed out at $350k. However, to do the upgrade I need I may need that extra $50k. So I would then trade out the more expensive guy because the points that I will net on field from doing that far outweigh what I would have if I had to settle for someone else in my upgrade that is a bit cheaper. I haven’t really worded that well but I hope you understand what I mean. I am looking at the longer term gain of points over the possibility that player A might make another $25k later on down the track. The other thing to consider here is also that as the player gets closer to their peak value they also get there a lot slower than they did when they started rising in value so you may have to wait 4 weeks for those last few dollars.
On the other side of the coin, when we are looking at bringing a player in we may not always wait til they hit their rock bottom price (but we do want to get close). If they are scoring well you don’t want to keep a guy scoring 60s when the bloke you want is likely to get a 100 just because player B is likely to drop another $5k because they had a BE of 125. Remember this game is all about points on field. If you have no other trades you have to make or if you really need that scoring then just go for it and grab them. Having said that if someone has a BE of 200 and they are averaging about 100 you should definitely wait a little there. Trying to get the very bottom isn’t always possible either. If you wait a week then you may have a couple of injuries you need to fix in that following week which then locks you out of your target. If I can afford my target and they are maybe one or two games from their absolute bottom I will sometimes pull the trigger because you never know what cards the fantasy gods will deal you next week.
When trading in you need to factor in their bye (if you are doing it before the byes of course) and also any positional factors such as DPP status. Sometimes you will need to make a call and the deciding factor may not be their scores as they are very close.
Butters out, Darcy Cameron a viable option?
— Ryan Humphreys (@ryanhumphreysdt) May 11, 2022
I can certainly see why you would have lost patience with Butters. As an owner too (and a supporter) it is hard to watch him not scoring. I am still going to hold him though, at least to the byes, as I still have rookies to move off field and he could catch fire at any stage. But if you are keen to move him on, then I think that you have better options than Darcy Cameron. He has had two good games since Grundy has been missing but I just don’t know whether it can continue. When I look at his scoring in the past it has been erratic with the high scores being the odd ones out. With Grundy out he should be viable but I really think you can find a better option. I guess if you go for Cameron, just beware he could drop a 50 on you just as easily as a 100.
Parker Duncan or Cameron plus cash. Cheers
— James England (@JimKingWings) May 11, 2022
Just to follow on from above I would take Parker and Duncan every day over Cameron just because they have scored well consistently in the past and we just haven’t seen that from Cameron. And given a choice I take Parker first mainly due to Duncan’s injury prone body concerns.
Is A.Brayshaw the real deal ? Or a trap.
At his price, with his run ( eagles, north ) it looks good.
— #5-MillarTime 🤠 (@time_millar) May 11, 2022
I like his run coming up and he should score well but we have seen him do this before. There is no doubt that he has had some good games but 5 of his 8 so far have been 90 or less so I think he is more in the Trap territory than the Real Deal. I don’t think I would pick him up unless you think he will go huge in the next two weeks and then look to trade him out after R12 and pick someone up that has had their bye.
Is there merit to fixing red dots for byes when doing something like trading Mead/McInnes to a playing rookie might be useless because such rookie might be dropped around the byes anyway? Better to wait on these red dots until their byes and trade them to green dots at the bye?
— Billy Elsum (@_billyelsum) May 11, 2022
I don’t mind your thinking but the issue I have is that you may not have many green dots at the bye and really what you want to be doing is upgrades at the byes and not side swapping rookies. Side swapping rookies is something we should all try and avoid as much as possible but if you are going to do it I would probably do it now as you can pick someone up that might play over the coming 3 rounds and make you some money so that when you do trade them out at their bye you get some cash from them rather than a Mead who may not play between now and then and you aren’t getting any additional cash.
Do we break the rule about trading under performing premos when they are scoring less than mid pricers and rookies? Also factoring in their byes.
— John (@SinceIGotGAWN) May 11, 2022
Hey Dunny.. if there are no good rookie downgrade options this week (mainly for FWD/DEF), would you look to sideways trade a failed premo like Cogs to a Duncan type instead if it helps your bye structure?
— Nick Papadatos (@BewicksBananas) May 11, 2022
A couple here on the same topic so I will answer them together…. My golden rule here is that I only trade out an under performing premo if I have nothing else to do and I don’t have rookies on field that are struggling to score. Because the rookie probably won’t score too much more than a 50-60 but your under performing premo that had 60 last week could come out and score a 120 this week. Having said all that if you are going to trade them out then the byes are really the only reason I would do it. But really it is a last resort and I would do everything I could before breaking that rule.
Things to Remember
- Look ahead to the fixture if you are going to do some loopholing and have plans ready, it is easy to stuff yourself up.
- There are just 3 games left before the byes.
- Look to move your Rookies before your Premos if you can.
Things are getting harder but it just means we need to be a little smarter. Have plans that see you right through to the byes. Plan who you want to move out and who you may want to bring in. It won’t be exactly what you do but it gives you some direction and helps get you to the byes in good shape. Enjoy the weekend and see you all again next Thursday.
- Emerson on Fry’s Cash Cows – Rd. 12: “Something I’m gonna have to think about Would u say Greenwood over Humphrey?” May 31, 12:57
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- Fry on Fry’s Cash Cows – Rd. 12: “I prefer No. 2 mate” May 31, 12:28
- Jeza on Fry’s Cash Cows – Rd. 12: “Another option is: 4. Wilmot to Mullin, Van Royen to Binns and Drury to Greenwood” May 31, 11:59
- The B on My Team 2023: Round 12 (BYES 1): “Stocker to Whitfield Or Fiorini to Rowell” May 31, 11:40
Who goes first to any MID premo?
NOD or Bowey?
NOD out with injury
How much $$ is Oliver likely to go up this week?
His BE is 97 so maybe like $20K, I don’t really know how much the price goes up if he gets like 120+
On ya Dunny, words of wisdom.
2 trades to myself this week after a month of having to move on English, Xerri, Hayes and then Hewett last week.
I’ll use them wisely.
Oliver is good to go.
These next 2 weeks will be big and he carries me through the bye. Should be good.
Clark is a must have as I don’t fancy paying another 60-80k or so extra next week and he will generate some serious $$.
Im going to pass on Cameron.
Im losing patience with Hewett and his bye is just around the corner. So if he’s out. He’s going to Oliver. Otherwise it’s brodie to Oliver.
Cutting mead to Clark. Flick 1 piece of dead wieght lol.
Def: Houston, Whitfield, Hewett, Sicily, Rich, N. Daicos (O’Driscoll, Stein)
Mid: Macrae, Neale, Oliver, Mitchell, M. Crouch, Rowell, Hobbs, McComb (Stephens, Caroll)
Ruc: Gawn, Witts (Preuss)
Fwd: Treloar, Coniglio, Brodie, Butters, N. Martin, Rachele (Durdin, Windhager)
Utl: S. Hayes
I’m covering Hewett with NOD until he returns. For the first trade I’m looking to get Clark for cash gen.
Don’t know what to do for 2nd trade. Should I upgrade one of the mids to say Petracca or should I get rid of Rachele to either Dunks, Parker, Duncan or D Cameron???
That’s Rowell to Clark for 1st trade
Preuss is a lot of score wasted on the bench.
Don’t know how much $ you have..
Maybe swap utility Hayes as a R3 with either Preuss or Witts, then trade them to Clark or someone else, Duncan?
If a Clark, upgrade a red dot if you can first before Rowell.. even Rachele before Rowell.
Don’t know what you’re saying regarding Hewett.
Best player between 700-800 to get?
Eg. Duncan, Guthrie, Parker, Zorko, Heeney, Treloar
Who out first:
– Durdin (low scores BUT solid position in team)
– JHF (will start losing money BUT decent(ish) scores)
– Windhager (might keep being medi-sub and lose money BUT can’t buy much)
Always had other injury concerns so I still got them.
But if hewett is out again should i go:
English to Oliver
Hewett to Angus Brayshaw?
Who goes first:
Butters or Blakey.
I’m tempted to hold Butters for another week considering he’s playing the Roos.
Vlastuin a genuine top 6 DEF option?
Unsure what happens now with short playing fully on half back now too, hes been a midfielder the last couple weeks. May affect vlastuin a bit. Id say hes a safe 90 avg but top 6 or even top 10 not sure yet
What now for the fantasy-relevant GWS players with the news Cameron is leaving? I was considering trading Cogs to Darcy Cameron but is the new coach likely to continue to move the magnets around or have players actually playing in their better positions?
Dunny literally covered it in the article about sideways trading premiums.
Progress your team first.
NOD out, and the carnage begins.
What fun would Fantasy be without a bit of carnage.
I just Hope Hewett is back, in which case I will just trust Paddy to replace NOD on field. Otherwise, I have to amend my round 12 prep trades
Hewlett supposed to be unlikely.
And how have you still got Paddy? He maxed out like round 4-5?
Keeping Paddy was not in my plan. However, other priorities seem to take over each week, and his Def/Fwd status has helped me on a few occasions. Last week, I had to put him on field, so he has not been too bad. Last week, I decided that bye prep was a priority; he has a round 13 bye and is playing, so I will get rid of him then. Unfortunately, I am a bit too round-12 bye reliant, but I have time to fix it, so that is my priority this week. Besides, with a BE of 26, even Paddy can make that, and he’s only playing Essendon this week, so he may be good for 60-70, and at least he is not bleeding cash like Soft-as and others.
I agree Pendles. I too have been forced into keeping Paddy and he is doing okay. Very achievable break even, still making money and easily outscored Dunkley and several others last week. Having Gibcus, NOD and JHF means I have to continue to hold Paddy.
Would love to see Muffins team.
You want to see my team Dulcify?
Ok, Here you go:
Def: Whitfield, Crisp, Sicily, Lloyd, Short, Chapman (NOD, SDK)
Mid: Steele, Neale, Maccrae, Touk, Cripps, Tarranto, Clark, Hobbs (Ward, Carroll)
Ruck: Preuss, ROB (Hayes)
Fwd: Dunkley, Heeney, Cogs, de Goey, Brodie, Martin (Meade, Undecided rookie)
Is my team decent enough for you?
Wow. Just wow, one of the best teams I’ve seen on this site.
Thanks Doc Oc.
Currently stalling for time to see which of Chappy/Brodie/Martin ruins their cash gen first so I can give them the boot. It’s some proper Survivor/Hunger Games type sh1t between those 3 over the next week or two.
Have 1 more double downgrade to do before r12, where I should do 2 up 1 down before lockout. Will leave me with Clark, plus one of Brodie/Martin/Chappy/Hobbs/Erasmus, the rest being premiums (besides possibly Cogs and ROB who can be upgraded over the byes if it suits).
That is a decent team, better than mine, well done Muffin.
Still ranked out in the Magoos though 😅
Why is he out?
That stuffs me.
I guess I’ll have to trade Hewett, unless he recovers in time.
I mucked up and held Hewett for the first week.
Once I’d thought more about his corked calf, my brain went..
Remember that early draft pick cocaine addict @ Gold Coast that moved to Freo with a bung calf?
Yeah, a spud calf is bad karma.
Hot spot, 6 weeks or something.
I was hoping for 1 more week of cash gen, but no big deal, had to double downgrade next week anyway as was just short of a legit premium.
It’s a bummer.
if anyone knows anyone with a forklift licence looking for work in perth give me a yell.
also looking for a defence rook that will get a game.
Thompson for the Suns at 200k – will never score much but will play every game I hope and be set and forget bench cover
But does he have a forklift license?
of course he does, how can you doubt him?
Rookie Carnage this week lads. Loads of big name rookies out. Something like 9+ at a quick glance.
I’ve gone from 2 red dots last to 6 this week! Fortunately mainly on the bench. Will need to field Rachele this week instead of trading him.
5 red dots. 6 if Hewett misses
Hewett named on the bench. Can we trust them? If I trust them, and don’t trade Hewett, I won’t have cover.
When do the final Sunday teams land?
Should be tomorrow arv. I have time to make the change, but I won’t be happy
I don’t know if it’s worthwhile trading NOD for one of those Richmond or Bulldogs basement price rookies, as back up for Hewett?
Not sure about their JS, or scoring potential; especially their JS.
Should be tomorrow arv
ROB omitted for Fogarty. Fogarty BE 64 – will he be the next Cameron? I think they have put him into the ruck because his name is Darcy. That’s the problem with the Pies; too many Darcys – split the duties between Cameron and Moore.
Who to Trade Out this week?
JHF or Durdin?
Depends on who you are bringing in for them, and if they are on field. If Durdin is on field, I would be trading him first. If Durdin is on the bench, I would be trading JHF.
Thanks Martin. Durdin goes
Def: Whitfield, Hewett, Rich, Sic, NDaicos, NOD (McCartin, SDK)
Mid: Steele, Smith, Neale, Miller, Macrae, Cripps, Green, McComb (Hobbs, MacDonald)
Ruck: Gawn, Preuss (Dixon)
Forward: Dunks, Cogs, Butters, Brodie, Martin, Coleman (Windhager, Durdin)
Even with NOD out, I am thinking this week:
Green > Oliver
MacDonald > Clark
Is that ok, or should NOD be gone (options are limited who I can get to)?
Good trades IMO. Oliver C for me
Trades looking like either
With 250k left over
With 190k Left over
Probs going to bring in who ever I don’t pick up next week by getting rid of NOD and butters, but which one is better for this week