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The Thursday Scramble: Round 9

When do we trade in and out and should we side swap premos? All that and more. Let’s Scramble

Not quite as many big scores in round 8 but we still managed to get through it ok and despite a bit of a scare with Max Gawn going in for some scans on his knee we seem to have come out of it largely unscathed. But what the round did is ask plenty of questions and it didn’t provide too many answers for us. So let’s have a look at a few of the bigger issues as well as having a look at a few of your questions. Let’s Scramble!

Is there ever a good time to select or trade a player?

We all want to trade our rookies when they reach their peak and we want to trade in the fallen premiums when they reach the bottom of their price cycle. But we all know that this isn’t always going to happen. So let’s have a chat about what we should do in that situation and hopefully it will give you a bit of help as we head to the byes and we start to (hopefully) finish off our upgrades to our teams.

The key to selecting players to trade out isn’t always trying to get the exact week they will peak. That is often not possible. When looking at who to trade out obviously their BE vs what they can score is important but also things to consider include what sort of a run do they have coming up? Are they going to be playing against teams that are easy to score against or difficult.  Also look at whether their current role will change when a player returns to the side from a longer term injury. Someone may be having a great run and rising in price very quickly but they may be playing ‘out of position’ in the midfield whilst someone else is out, so as soon as that other player is named to come back you may want to drop your rookie.

I also look at whether or not I need the extra cash that that player is worth to upgrade someone else. So I may have a rookie that is up to $400k but still has a bit more to make and another that is maxed out at $350k. However, to do the upgrade I need I may need that extra $50k. So I would then trade out the more expensive guy because the points that I will net on field from doing that far outweigh what I would have if I had to settle for someone else in my upgrade that is a bit cheaper.  I haven’t really worded that well but I hope you understand what I mean. I am looking at the longer term gain of points over the possibility that player A might make another $25k later on down the track.  The other thing to consider here is also that as the player gets closer to their peak value they also get there a lot slower than they did when they started rising in value so you may have to wait 4 weeks for those last few dollars.

On the other side of the coin, when we are looking at bringing a player in we may not always wait til they hit their rock bottom price (but we do want to get close). If they are scoring well you don’t want to keep a guy scoring 60s when the bloke you want is likely to get a 100 just because player B is likely to drop another $5k because they had a BE of 125. Remember this game is all about points on field. If you have no other trades you have to make or if you really need that scoring then just go for it and grab them.  Having said that if someone has a BE of 200 and they are averaging about 100 you should definitely wait a little there. Trying to get the very bottom isn’t always possible either. If you wait a week then you may have a couple of injuries you need to fix in that following week which then locks you out of your target.  If I can afford my target and they are maybe one or two games from their absolute bottom I will sometimes pull the trigger because you never know what cards the fantasy gods will deal you next week.

When trading in you need to factor in their bye (if you are doing it before the byes of course) and also any positional factors such as DPP status. Sometimes you will need to make a call and the deciding factor may not be their scores as they are very close.

#AskDunny

I can certainly see why you would have lost patience with Butters.  As an owner too (and a supporter) it is hard to watch him not scoring. I am still going to hold him though, at least to the byes, as I still have rookies to move off field and he could catch fire at any stage. But if you are keen to move him on, then I think that you have better options than Darcy Cameron. He has had two good games since Grundy has been missing but I just don’t know whether it can continue. When I look at his scoring in the past it has been erratic with the high scores being the odd ones out. With Grundy out he should be viable but I really think you can find a better option. I guess if you go for Cameron, just beware he could drop a 50 on you just as easily as a 100.

Just to follow on from above I would take Parker and Duncan every day over Cameron just because they have scored well consistently in the past and we just haven’t seen that from Cameron. And given a choice I take Parker first mainly due to Duncan’s injury prone body concerns.

 

I like his run coming up and he should score well but we have seen him do this before. There is no doubt that he has had some good games but 5 of his 8 so far have been 90 or less so I think he is more in the Trap territory than the Real Deal.  I don’t think I would pick him up unless you think he will go huge in the next two weeks and then look to trade him out after R12 and pick someone up that has had their bye.

I don’t mind your thinking but the issue I have is that you may not have many green dots at the bye and really what you want to be doing is upgrades at the byes and not side swapping rookies. Side swapping rookies is something we should all try and avoid as much as possible but if you are going to do it I would probably do it now as you can pick someone up that might play over the coming 3 rounds and make you some money so that when you do trade them out at their bye you get some cash from them rather than a Mead who may not play between now and then and you aren’t getting any additional cash.

 

A couple here on the same topic so I will answer them together….  My golden rule here is that I only trade out an under performing premo if I have nothing else to do and I don’t have rookies on field that are struggling to score. Because the rookie probably won’t score too much more than a 50-60 but your under performing premo that had 60 last week could come out and score a 120 this week. Having said all that if you are going to trade them out then the byes are really the only reason I would do it. But really it is a last resort and I would do everything I could before breaking that rule.

Things to Remember

  • Look ahead to the fixture if you are going to do some loopholing and have plans ready, it is easy to stuff yourself up.
  • There are just 3 games left before the byes.
  • Look to move your Rookies before your Premos if you can.

Things are getting harder but it just means we need to be a little smarter. Have plans that see you right through to the byes. Plan who you want to move out and who you may want to bring in. It won’t be exactly what you do but it gives you some direction and helps get you to the byes in good shape.  Enjoy the weekend and see you all again next Thursday.

A passionate Port Adelaide Fan who simply loves footy! That is how I would describe myself. Catch my weekly article "The Thursday Scramble" with all the last minute things to think about for the weekend Follow: @pkd73.

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Greg
Greg
1 year ago

Who goes first to any MID premo?

NOD or Bowey?

Bubble Boy
Bubble Boy
1 year ago
Reply to  Greg

NOD out with injury

Darce
Darce
1 year ago

How much $$ is Oliver likely to go up this week?

Greg
Greg
1 year ago
Reply to  Darce

His BE is 97 so maybe like $20K, I don’t really know how much the price goes up if he gets like 120+

BestowedMisery
BestowedMisery
1 year ago

On ya Dunny, words of wisdom.
2 trades to myself this week after a month of having to move on English, Xerri, Hayes and then Hewett last week.
I’ll use them wisely.

Petez
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Petez
1 year ago

Oliver is good to go.
These next 2 weeks will be big and he carries me through the bye. Should be good.
Clark is a must have as I don’t fancy paying another 60-80k or so extra next week and he will generate some serious $$.
Im going to pass on Cameron.

Im losing patience with Hewett and his bye is just around the corner. So if he’s out. He’s going to Oliver. Otherwise it’s brodie to Oliver.
Cutting mead to Clark. Flick 1 piece of dead wieght lol.

Frustrated
Frustrated
1 year ago

My Team:

Def: Houston, Whitfield, Hewett, Sicily, Rich, N. Daicos (O’Driscoll, Stein)

Mid: Macrae, Neale, Oliver, Mitchell, M. Crouch, Rowell, Hobbs, McComb (Stephens, Caroll)

Ruc: Gawn, Witts (Preuss)

Fwd: Treloar, Coniglio, Brodie, Butters, N. Martin, Rachele (Durdin, Windhager)

Utl: S. Hayes

I’m covering Hewett with NOD until he returns. For the first trade I’m looking to get Clark for cash gen.

Don’t know what to do for 2nd trade. Should I upgrade one of the mids to say Petracca or should I get rid of Rachele to either Dunks, Parker, Duncan or D Cameron???

Frustrated
Frustrated
1 year ago
Reply to  Frustrated

That’s Rowell to Clark for 1st trade

BestowedMisery
BestowedMisery
1 year ago
Reply to  Frustrated

Preuss is a lot of score wasted on the bench.

Straight Shooter
Straight Shooter
1 year ago
Reply to  Frustrated

Get Dunks

BestowedMisery
BestowedMisery
1 year ago
Reply to  Frustrated

Don’t know how much $ you have..

Maybe swap utility Hayes as a R3 with either Preuss or Witts, then trade them to Clark or someone else, Duncan?
If a Clark, upgrade a red dot if you can first before Rowell.. even Rachele before Rowell.
Don’t know what you’re saying regarding Hewett.

Mike
Mike
1 year ago

Best player between 700-800 to get?
Eg. Duncan, Guthrie, Parker, Zorko, Heeney, Treloar

jjbkeeper
jjbkeeper
1 year ago

Who out first:
– Durdin (low scores BUT solid position in team)
– JHF (will start losing money BUT decent(ish) scores)
– Windhager (might keep being medi-sub and lose money BUT can’t buy much)

Bob
Bob
1 year ago

Always had other injury concerns so I still got them.

But if hewett is out again should i go:

English to Oliver
&
Hewett to Angus Brayshaw?

Bob O
Bob O
1 year ago

Who goes first:
Butters or Blakey.
I’m tempted to hold Butters for another week considering he’s playing the Roos.

Jakob Skrnjug
Jakob Skrnjug
1 year ago

Vlastuin a genuine top 6 DEF option?

John1
John1
1 year ago
Reply to  Jakob Skrnjug

Unsure what happens now with short playing fully on half back now too, hes been a midfielder the last couple weeks. May affect vlastuin a bit. Id say hes a safe 90 avg but top 6 or even top 10 not sure yet

Ray
Ray
1 year ago

What now for the fantasy-relevant GWS players with the news Cameron is leaving? I was considering trading Cogs to Darcy Cameron but is the new coach likely to continue to move the magnets around or have players actually playing in their better positions?

JungleMuffin
Member
JungleMuffin
1 year ago
Reply to  Ray

Dunny literally covered it in the article about sideways trading premiums.

Progress your team first.

JungleMuffin
Member
JungleMuffin
1 year ago

NOD out, and the carnage begins.

pendles4brownlow
pendles4brownlow
1 year ago
Reply to  JungleMuffin

What fun would Fantasy be without a bit of carnage.

I just Hope Hewett is back, in which case I will just trust Paddy to replace NOD on field. Otherwise, I have to amend my round 12 prep trades

JungleMuffin
Member
JungleMuffin
1 year ago

Hewlett supposed to be unlikely.

And how have you still got Paddy? He maxed out like round 4-5?

pendles4brownlow
pendles4brownlow
1 year ago
Reply to  JungleMuffin

Keeping Paddy was not in my plan. However, other priorities seem to take over each week, and his Def/Fwd status has helped me on a few occasions. Last week, I had to put him on field, so he has not been too bad. Last week, I decided that bye prep was a priority; he has a round 13 bye and is playing, so I will get rid of him then. Unfortunately, I am a bit too round-12 bye reliant, but I have time to fix it, so that is my priority this week. Besides, with a BE of 26, even Paddy can make that, and he’s only playing Essendon this week, so he may be good for 60-70, and at least he is not bleeding cash like Soft-as and others.

Dulcify
Dulcify
1 year ago

I agree Pendles. I too have been forced into keeping Paddy and he is doing okay. Very achievable break even, still making money and easily outscored Dunkley and several others last week. Having Gibcus, NOD and JHF means I have to continue to hold Paddy.
Would love to see Muffins team.

JungleMuffin
Member
JungleMuffin
1 year ago
Reply to  Dulcify

You want to see my team Dulcify?

Ok, Here you go:

Def: Whitfield, Crisp, Sicily, Lloyd, Short, Chapman (NOD, SDK)
Mid: Steele, Neale, Maccrae, Touk, Cripps, Tarranto, Clark, Hobbs (Ward, Carroll)
Ruck: Preuss, ROB (Hayes)
Fwd: Dunkley, Heeney, Cogs, de Goey, Brodie, Martin (Meade, Undecided rookie)
Ute: Erasmus

Is my team decent enough for you?

The Octopus
The Octopus
1 year ago
Reply to  JungleMuffin

Wow. Just wow, one of the best teams I’ve seen on this site.

JungleMuffin
Member
JungleMuffin
1 year ago
Reply to  The Octopus

Thanks Doc Oc.

Currently stalling for time to see which of Chappy/Brodie/Martin ruins their cash gen first so I can give them the boot. It’s some proper Survivor/Hunger Games type sh1t between those 3 over the next week or two.

Have 1 more double downgrade to do before r12, where I should do 2 up 1 down before lockout. Will leave me with Clark, plus one of Brodie/Martin/Chappy/Hobbs/Erasmus, the rest being premiums (besides possibly Cogs and ROB who can be upgraded over the byes if it suits).

Dulcify
Dulcify
1 year ago
Reply to  JungleMuffin

That is a decent team, better than mine, well done Muffin.

JungleMuffin
Member
JungleMuffin
1 year ago
Reply to  Dulcify

Cheers mate.

Still ranked out in the Magoos though 😅

Bill
Bill
1 year ago
Reply to  JungleMuffin

Why is he out?
That stuffs me.

Bill
Bill
1 year ago
Reply to  Bill

I guess I’ll have to trade Hewett, unless he recovers in time.

BestowedMisery
BestowedMisery
1 year ago
Reply to  Bill

I mucked up and held Hewett for the first week.
Once I’d thought more about his corked calf, my brain went..
Remember that early draft pick cocaine addict @ Gold Coast that moved to Freo with a bung calf?
Yeah, a spud calf is bad karma.

JungleMuffin
Member
JungleMuffin
1 year ago
Reply to  Bill

Hot spot, 6 weeks or something.

I was hoping for 1 more week of cash gen, but no big deal, had to double downgrade next week anyway as was just short of a legit premium.

Bill
Bill
1 year ago
Reply to  JungleMuffin

It’s a bummer.

PowerAde
PowerAde
1 year ago

if anyone knows anyone with a forklift licence looking for work in perth give me a yell.

also looking for a defence rook that will get a game.

true beavers
true beavers
1 year ago
Reply to  PowerAde

Thompson for the Suns at 200k – will never score much but will play every game I hope and be set and forget bench cover

pendles4brownlow
pendles4brownlow
1 year ago
Reply to  true beavers

But does he have a forklift license?

true beavers
true beavers
1 year ago

of course he does, how can you doubt him?

JungleMuffin
Member
JungleMuffin
1 year ago

Rookie Carnage this week lads. Loads of big name rookies out. Something like 9+ at a quick glance.

Phteven
Phteven
1 year ago
Reply to  JungleMuffin

I’ve gone from 2 red dots last to 6 this week! Fortunately mainly on the bench. Will need to field Rachele this week instead of trading him.

pendles4brownlow
pendles4brownlow
1 year ago
Reply to  Phteven

5 red dots. 6 if Hewett misses

pendles4brownlow
pendles4brownlow
1 year ago

Hewett named on the bench. Can we trust them? If I trust them, and don’t trade Hewett, I won’t have cover.

Bill
Bill
1 year ago

When do the final Sunday teams land?

pendles4brownlow
pendles4brownlow
1 year ago
Reply to  Bill

Should be tomorrow arv. I have time to make the change, but I won’t be happy

Bill
Bill
1 year ago

I don’t know if it’s worthwhile trading NOD for one of those Richmond or Bulldogs basement price rookies, as back up for Hewett?

Not sure about their JS, or scoring potential; especially their JS.

pendles4brownlow
pendles4brownlow
1 year ago

Should be tomorrow arv

pendles4brownlow
pendles4brownlow
1 year ago

ROB omitted for Fogarty. Fogarty BE 64 – will he be the next Cameron? I think they have put him into the ruck because his name is Darcy. That’s the problem with the Pies; too many Darcys – split the duties between Cameron and Moore.

Justin Stitchup
Justin Stitchup
1 year ago

Who to Trade Out this week?
JHF or Durdin?
Thanks dudes

Martin
Martin
1 year ago

Depends on who you are bringing in for them, and if they are on field. If Durdin is on field, I would be trading him first. If Durdin is on the bench, I would be trading JHF.

Justin Stitchup
Justin Stitchup
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin

Thanks Martin. Durdin goes

Martin
Martin
1 year ago

Def: Whitfield, Hewett, Rich, Sic, NDaicos, NOD (McCartin, SDK)
Mid: Steele, Smith, Neale, Miller, Macrae, Cripps, Green, McComb (Hobbs, MacDonald)
Ruck: Gawn, Preuss (Dixon)
Forward: Dunks, Cogs, Butters, Brodie, Martin, Coleman (Windhager, Durdin)
Utl: Mead
Cash: 67k
Even with NOD out, I am thinking this week:
Green > Oliver
MacDonald > Clark
Is that ok, or should NOD be gone (options are limited who I can get to)?

Justin Stitchup
Justin Stitchup
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin

Good trades IMO. Oliver C for me

The Real Slim
The Real Slim
1 year ago

Trades looking like either

JHF>>Cripps
Ward>>Clark
With 250k left over

Or

JHF>>Oliver
Ward>>Clark

With 190k Left over

Probs going to bring in who ever I don’t pick up next week by getting rid of NOD and butters, but which one is better for this week

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