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Vaughn wrote to us thinking about the new substitute rule for 2011. We know it is going to cause havoc every weekend with FMDT moments with some of our players not getting much of a run because of it, but how else will it affect our teams? Could the premiums cop it?

The roller coaster that is Dream Team has just been renovated. The new double loop that is the substitute rule is set to inflict some high blood pressure and heart-ache on coaches this year.

“That cash-cow is looking pretty ripe, break even of only 55 hey? no ill give him one more week”… HALF TIME SUB score: 21. Ripe? Hell no that fruit is rotting on the tree!

But these inevitable frustrations are nothing compared to what is to come. Gone are the days of the dreaded GENERAL SORENESS. I mean why would a coach give you a guaranteed do-nut that, albeit annoying, can at least be planned for? No they have something much more sinister in mind. Because all the DPPs in the league wont save you this year when “resting a player” no longer means a week off. Modern coaches sure don’t play DT: “well played son! here have a break, sit on the bench FOR HALF THE GAME! Oh but your score counts… oops nearly forgot, F#$k YOU DT COACHES!”

And our precious premiums? Imagine Micky M, round 23, “Well Swanny you broken the Dockers back but I want you fresh coming into finals! Catch your breath mate – from the sideline!”

Will this stop you picking Swan? – absolutely not! but all this does potentially have DT selection implications. Beware or at least be-aware of  your player and his coaches resting history. Saint and Cat stars particularly near the end of the season if their ladder position is as certain as 2010.

But there is an upside – mid season trading.

  • Player under done? – give him half a game.
  • Player coming back from injury? – half a game.
  • Not quite match fit? – half a game.

This will make for some great bargains. Chappy coming back round 1 or 2? half game. Hodge round 1. half game. Players nearly always lose value from injuries but they have the potential to lose twice the value this year if they make a few come-back games as subs or are subbed off early on return. If you are selecting some under-done premiums this year – think twice.

Good luck

by Vaughn.

Co-captain of DT Talk since inception in 2007. Finally had a good season with an overall ranking of 137th for 2018... next goal is to replace the dirty old trucker hat with an AFL Fantasy one! Follow on Twitter: @WarnieDT



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    March 24, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    Hey Vaugn. Question for you. Given the partial lockout for tonight’s game, if I have Carl/Rich sitting on my bench and I also make them emergencies, if they score well tonight can I sub them into my actual team tomorrow? Cheers

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      March 24, 2011 at 12:20 pm

      you cant sub them into your team, but if they are an emergency just put a GC player on the field to get their score if you want

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      March 24, 2011 at 12:27 pm

      From what I understand, the Carlton/Richmond players are ‘locked’ with whatever lable (sub/emg/vc/capt), and whatever position you have them in. So if you have Duigan as an emergency and he scores a blistering 90+, you will have to sub a non-playing backman (see Gold Coast) onto the field to ensure Duigan’s emergency score gets included. Same with if you hav Judd/Gibbs as captain; that can not be moved to someone else after partial lock-out, as it is ‘Locked’ in place.
      In short: you can’t touch them once they are locked.

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    Max Power

    March 24, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    Could wreak havoc, for sure.

    We’ll have to hope that coaches see the byes as an acceptable rest for the guns, and therefore don’t feel the need to give them half-games late in the season.

    As for the underdone players getting halves early in the year, that is a definate possibility. Essendon have already named David Hille as a candidate for this in Round 1.

    We’ll all just have to cross our fingers that our players (especially the guns) can avoid the dreaded vests.

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    March 24, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    Anyone think Tapscott will score better and/or play more often than Darling?
    Bailey announced he’ll play rnd 1

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      March 24, 2011 at 12:37 pm

      been looking at it as well sir james…

      if darling dosent kick goals will he still score ok?
      atleast tapscott will still rack up kicks off half back – if grimes dosent hoover them all up first.

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      March 24, 2011 at 12:37 pm

      Tapscott should have at least a month to prove he is up to AFL standard. He has a mature body and should have JS while Morton, Scully and Mckenzie recover from injuries for the first month of the season. Tough to seperate him from Darling as Darling has plenty of upside, loves to tackle, can take a mark and kick a goal and the Eagles seem pretty keen on him.

    • Warnie


      March 24, 2011 at 12:38 pm

      He is a massive unit, that’s for sure. Body will be right for AFL action with all of those skinny Demons!

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      March 24, 2011 at 3:57 pm

      Yeah thinking the same as well, but Darling racks up a lot of tackles, so I think he’ll score more.

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    March 24, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    The big question is just what will happen to their prices and published averages! They will be distorted due to this bloody stupid rule!

    Is there a way that VS will be able to say… well he played 3/4 of a game so we can use his possible playing time to adjust his breakeven price and adjust him accordingly.

    I am sure something like that is possible and the Boffins at VS have thought of it. But will it be implemented.

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    March 24, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    ive been worried about this as well….swings and round abouts though..

    the points youll lose for half a game, the more cheaply you may get a premium after price drop. Just another way tuned in dt caoches may get a leg up on the rest.

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    March 24, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    The price movements of rookies will be very interesting thanks to the sub rule. Going to make it a very strategic (and luck ridden) season.

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      March 24, 2011 at 12:41 pm

      all through preseaasn i thought the sub would be used for a versitile tall type who could play anywhere but the more i think about it now the more i reckon a first year rookie makes more sense….their smaller bodies do tire quicker. Our poor cash cows!

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    Dr Frasier Crane

    March 24, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    AFL record reporter Callum Twomey has tweeted the following:

    “Hird confirms Heppell to debut, Hibberd probably in R2, Crameri promoted to senior list this arvo and Williams to play VFL tomorrow.”!/Cal_Twomey

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      March 24, 2011 at 2:07 pm

      damn i have hibberd. dont trust the “hibberd will probably debut in round 2” line either,

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        March 24, 2011 at 3:00 pm

        could be hibb at the expense of heppell

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          March 24, 2011 at 4:59 pm

          Hibberd is injured, round 2 or 3 return. I know this for a fact.

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    March 24, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    Gonna be very interesting indeed!
    Many FMDT moments this year.
    Warnie put it perfectly- “luck ridden.” Rookies breakevens will be scary when they get in the 30s upwards.

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    March 24, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    921492 join league :)

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    March 24, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    anyone gunna ride out hibberd or pull the trigger?

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      March 24, 2011 at 2:31 pm

      being a DPP link with the backline makes me more likely to play him

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      March 24, 2011 at 2:51 pm

      I was thinking the same way if they were both going to play but with doubts on Hibberd I might just have Heppell in the mids and bring in McKernan/Batchelor/Buckley.

      Any thoughts?

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      March 24, 2011 at 4:04 pm

      Keeping him. He has the M/F link which is important to my structure, and there is a shortage of M/F rookies.

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      March 24, 2011 at 5:17 pm

      Assistant Coach for me.

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    March 24, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    Will we find out 90mins before the game who the sub is or will it only be known once the game starts?

    Should I pick Jake Batchelor because he is def playing or wait until tomorrow and chose someone else

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    March 24, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    is it just me or does anyone else’s Edi My Shield Refuse to Save for them too?

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      March 24, 2011 at 3:25 pm

      just you

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    March 24, 2011 at 3:27 pm

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    March 24, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    Yes i am james

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    March 24, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    Rookie sub may still score well..Coach says, “son play hard you only have to last half the game”..
    Often rookies only play short bursts anyway..spending at least 50% of the game on the bench..

    The premium sub is definitely more of a worry than hte rookie sub.

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      March 24, 2011 at 5:58 pm

      agreed – rookies get limited exposure anyway – they may actually get more minutes in this role, or at least more minutes in intense mid roless

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    March 24, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    The whole sub rule makes GC rookies a little more attractive. With established teams playing only one or two rookies, there’s a fair chance those rookies will be used as subs.

    WIth GC having so many rookies, assuming you’ve chosen the better players (Swallow, Harris etc), the risk of getting caught with a “oh no! my rookie got subbed after 30 points” situation is much lower.

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    March 24, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    Can you still trade players who are not playing for rich and carl in and out of your side after the partial lock out?

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    March 24, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    Off topic witht the partial lock out will we still have unlimited trades on friday or do we need to be set before the 1st lock out?

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      March 24, 2011 at 4:11 pm

      unlimited for all players not in rich or carl

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      March 24, 2011 at 4:11 pm

      it explains it all on the DT site itself….can people seriously just read the rules before asking.

      BTW #dreamteam is a trending topic on twitter! Only 4 in the arvo too!

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        March 24, 2011 at 5:01 pm

        Settle brother…Bears answer was way better than yours…thx bear.

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    March 24, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    hey guys ani one locking in cotchin? has had a good preseason

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    March 24, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    Kerr may be Eagles’ sub

    Kerr, who made a controversial return from his 11-month hamstring rehabilitation in the WAFL at the weekend, is capable of playing up to 80 minutes on Sunday and Worsfold said the substitute rule had opened the door for his AFL return.

    And so it begins….

    F@*K subs! F@#I#EN worst rule ever

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    gruff griffo

    March 24, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    941831 – 2nd tear dt and ready to go !!

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    March 25, 2011 at 6:20 am

    UK league: 526910

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