The Friday Scramble: Round 13 MBR3

FridayScrambleWell thank god there is only one more of these Multi Bye Rounds left!  Bloody hell I hate them!  So much random luck involved and it is very annoying when you get a late out or a poor score… or worse… a vesting!

So we have reached the week that we were all dreading… R 13 when we are without Collingwood, Carlton, Essendon, Adelaide, Gold Coast and GWS players this week.  This is going to hurt us with Ablett, Swan, Pendles,Watson, Dangerfield, Gibbs, Goddard…bloody hell the list goes on and on and on!  How the hell are we going to field a team this week!

Trading this Week

Well this week we now have another 6 teams that we can choose from for our upgrades.  This opens up some guys like Cox, Nic Nat, Kieren Jack, JPK, Andrew Swallow and NVoldt.  So there are plenty of good options for you to choose from when you are upgrading.

The main questions that I have been asked this week have been involving most of these guys above!  But more on that below in the Ask Dunny section.

The key this week is still the same as last week which is to get as many active players on the field as you can.  But there are a number of ways that you can go about it.

Premo Swap

Option A is that you can sideswap.  I know of a few people that are thinking of actually trading out Swanny and Ablett so that they can then get the best mids and trade these guys back in next week.  One thing I find hard in those circumstances is to get rid of the guys that I brought in!  The key piece of advice is that I can give here is to watch the cash!  If you are planning to do this, I would be looking to bring in a guy that has a low and very achievable break even so that you still have enough cash to get Gaz and Swanny back in.


Once again you might get lured in by the thought of Hrovat being named.  Also you have everyone’s favourite bloke Tom Mitchell who s the most traded in guy this week.  If you don’t already have him then yes, you should be getting him in.  He will skyrocket this week.  But I won’t go on to many of these guys because you should be having a looking at Jeppa’s Juniors article on Wednesday.


As I mentioned above, there are a stack of guys that we can upgrade to.  That is obviously the way we want to go so that we can work our way towards our fully premium team.  One issue that you might come up against this week is that the break evens.  If it is a guy that you want to keep for the rest of the year then the BE isn’t the main thing that you should be looking at, you should be looking more closely at the averages and their consistency.


Lots of questions this week so lets have a look and see if I can help you!


I had to check with AJ and the real question here is about taking two guys playing this week or one that is and one that is going to set your team up for the year.  I like Roughead and Harvey.  My main concern is about Harvey’s body, he is getting older, but his 6 week break at the start of the season will certainly assist him in staying healthy.  I do however, like the combination of Heater and Duffield.  That combination could set you up in the backline for the rest of the season.  Obviously the amount of R13 players that you have will dominate your decision.  As for point scoring, I can see Heater and Duffman being in the top 10 scoring backs at the end of the year.  As for Rough and Harvey, I think Rough is likely to be in the top scoring Forwards, but I can’t see Harvey being up there.


Great question Josh.  Clearly you are making the right decision bringing Mitchell in this week.  Being in Adelaide I get to hear a bit and see a bit of Crouch.  I think that the rigours of the season and the form of the Crows at the moment are the reason that he is not getting a game.  I think he will have a couple of games in the SANFL to get a bit of touch back and then should be back.  Viney has been out with a  foot injury and is currently showing on the injury list as being 3 weeks away.  Given the way he was going before the injury and the way Melbourne are going I think that he won’t be a massive scorer when he comes back so I would trade out Viney.


I have owned Scooter from the start thanks to the thoughts of our man Tbetta.  Scooter does have the ability to go big and given his tagging role he is always around the ball and likes a tackle with 344 points from tackles so far this year and averages 108.64.  Kieren Jack is certainly popular and has been a ball magnet this year.  He is averaging 107.27 for the year and is playing in a Swans team that is on the rise.  Who is going to score the most for the rest of the year?  I think that Scooter is going to be your man mainly because of the fact he has the propensity to go big and I am concerned about JPK taking points off of Jack.


Many of the questions I got this week involved Jack and Scooter and I have discussed them above.  So I will look at the other guys.  I am a massive wrap for Barlow who is going like a steam train this year and Freo also have a pretty great run home from here.  I don’t mind Lids, he has had a bit of a slower start to the year than many expected but he is starting to find his way and had a great game against the Crows last week.  Boydy still worries me.  He has had two injuries already this year and as has been well documented during the year the calf is an old man injury.  I love Boydy and wanted to have him in my team but that second injury was just enough to put me off.  If I had to rank these 5 guys I would probably go Barlow, Scooter, Jack, Lids then Boyd.


That would be a very Swan heavy midfield so you would be hanging on every Swans game.  Let me say though, I do like all 3 of those guys.  If you are going for a league win then these guys have a fairly tough run in the last 4 weeks of the season facing Collingwood, St Kilda, Geelong and Hawthorn.  So if you think that they can survive that then I think you are far from Crazy for looking at those guys all being in your team.



Of course you are allowed to ask!  If I had to pick one of these guys right now I think it would be Ibbotson.  Why do you ask?  Well he seems to be playing very freely in a team that has a great run and is playing very well.  He was a good player in his first season and is showing every sign that he is a great player still.  I like Hanley but the fact that he has been tagged of late does worry me a touch and the concern that I have with Enright is that he plays for Geelong who like to Manage players and his age means that I can see him being managed before the finals come around.


Another great question.  Whilst we have rookies in the midfield that are scoring well like Mitchell and O’Meara then we can continue to trust these guys on the field.  The strength of rookies in the backline are not too shabby either with Vlastuin and Goodes so you could potentially leave them on field.  The forward line is a whole different ball game and I think that this is the line that I would plan to upgrade first.  After that I think that Goodes would be the next one I get rid of and then I would like to make Vlastuin my D7.  So based on that I think that the lines I would do first are Forwards, Backs then Mids.  I am assuming that your rucks are set and forget.


Things To Remember

  • Bye’s are nearly over but there are still 10 rounds to go – So don’t ruin your team just for an extra 50 points this week.  A good choice now is going to earn you more over the rest of the year.
  • There are still players from 6 teams you can pick up next week after their bye – Just because they have the last bye don’t forget that you can upgrade to them too.
  • Captain choices this week are going to be tough as we don’t have our two perma captains!  Check out what Calvin had to say on Wednesday.
  • Warwick Capper is a funny bloke – Check out his work on Open Mike from Monday, it was quite funny.
  • Selection panel can do strange things – Well done to those that held Jasper Pittard who comes straight back into the team after his injury!  I was lucky enough to hold him because each other week I have had bigger issues to deal with!
  • Don’t complain about 3 MBR’s, the AFL may inflict 6 on us next year! – Hopefully not, but who knows what they will do!

How did I go last week?  Well let’s say shithouse doesn’t quite cover it!  1819 was clearly not good enough and I was also knocked out of the Eliminator, bloody annoying.  I hope your team did much better and I am hoping for a much better result this week.  Currently I have 21 players and one emergency too so hopefully I will do much better.

As always keep your ears and eyes open today for any late mail, twitter is often the best place to find it and after you have followed the DTTalk boys, give me a follow @pkd73.  Good luck to you all and may all our teams finally have a decent score again next week!

Just time for one late question…..


My advice here… don’t go looking for it!  It will be bloody tempting to use it!!  Just back away from the computer……..


  • One name is who hasn’t been mentioned is O’keefe from the Swans. He seems to get better as the season progresses. Otherwise I would probably bring in Scott Selwood, Barlow or Mundy

    • You’re right about O’Keefe. I’m fairly sure that last year he averaged about 15 ppg more in the second half of the year compared to what he averaged in the first half. Very good option.

      I’ve already said it on the My Team post and on Calvin’s Captains, but I thought I might as well say it again here. Delidio is going to go large over the next few weeks. He averages over 115 in the game that Richmond have won this year. Their next 4 opponents are the Bulldogs, Saints, Kangaroos and Suns, which for a team in the form that Richmond is in right now, should all be very winnable games. After these 4 games however, Richmond run into Freo, Sydney and Hawthorn on the trot, which they have a much lower chance of winning, so Delidio is likely to spud again. My thought is to bring Delidio in for the next 4 weeks, get some good scores out of him, make a little bit of cash, then trade him out before he comes up against Freo. By that time, the rest of your team should be completed and the top 8-10 midfielders should have made their presence much clearer, allowing you to make a better informed decision on who to bring in for the end of the year.

      Sorry for piggy-backing on your post Scott, but I thought I should let everyone know my hot tip.

      P.S. I’m captaining Lids over Barlow this week.

    • Certainly no issues with ROK mate, he is playing well. The Swans midfield is an area of big points these days!

    • He’s on my “never again” list with Duffield and Waters. Kills me every time they go big, but have to remember the pain of late withdrawals, extended injury outs and random attacks of softness.

  • JPK taking points off of Jack? That’s mean he’d have to actually get the ball! haha, great article Dunny ! :-)

    • +1 JPK doesn’t get enough points to affect Jack haha. Seriously though, he is on my never again list after being in my team the whole year. Can’t wait to trade him out once the rest of my team is finished. He’s much less relevant in DT than he is in supercoach. It’s mainly because of how the point system in DT has a large focus around marks and tackles, 2 stats that JPK doesn’t usually do well in. For this reason, he shall forever be a supercoach player, not a dreamteamer.

  • great stuff dunny

  • Is anyone else having the Round 13 DT Talk Live Show play every time they load a page on DT Talk today? I’m getting 2 separate versions of it every time I load this page.

  • Trades this round
    Option 1
    K.Mitchell – T.Mitchell
    Kommer – Hrovat
    Option 2
    Kommer – T.Mitchell
    Laidler – Hartlett/Clisby
    Option 3
    Kommer – T.Mitchell
    O’Meara – Selwood/Deledio/Jack (will leave me with 8 mid premos at the start of round 14 and will force Titch to the bench) or O’Meara – Martin (can move to the forward line using Dwyer dpp)

    • Kommer – Titchell, O’Meara – Martin.

      Given O’Meara won’t be in your best 8 mids, you may as well dump him now to take advantage of the cash and maximise your points this week. I’d get Dusty simply because I’d want Titchell to be M8 at least until every other position has been upgraded. You can always offload Kitchell later (maybe for Hunter) if he doesn’t play in the next couple of weeks.

  • I’m making a team for both Dreamteam and Supercoach this week in an attempt to get myself the weekly prize. My teams for each are fairly similar, with only 3 differences between the 2 teams. Here they are:

    DEF: Ellis, Ibbotson, Birchall, Vlatuin, B. Wilson, Clisby (Basement Rooks)
    MID: Delidio (c), Barlow (vc), Jack, O’Keefe, Montagna, Boyd, Cotchin, Mitchell (Hrovat, Hunter)
    RUC: Goldstein, Leuenberger (Basement Rooks)
    FWD: Stevie J, Bartel, Dusty, Hawkins, Byrnes, Lamb (Basement Rooks)

    DEF: Ellis, Ibbotson, Birchall, Vlaxtuin, B. Wilson, Clisby (Basement Rooks)
    MID: JPK (vc loophole), Delidio (c), O’Keefe, Cotchin, Montagna, Fyfe, Boyd, Mitchell (Hrovat, Hunter)
    RUC: Goldstein, Blicavs (Basement Rooks)
    FWD: Stevie J, Bartel, Dusty, Hawkins, Byrnes, Lamb (Basement Rooks)

    Firstly, what do you think of those teams? Secondly, is anyone else trying the same thing this week? It is probably the best opportunity you will get to get the highest weekly score and win yourself 2 tickets to the game of your choice (Dreamteam) or $1000 (Supercoach).

    • Clisby’s a good option averaged 25 touches off half back in the SANFL last year and averaging 20 touches in the VFL off half back and the wing.

    • Firstly, nice teams should score pretty well! Secondly, yes I’m doing the same thing I was hoping that with all the carnage this week people would somehow forget about doing this! Good Luck.

    • Yep doing the same, and I have created a “league” just for the week 223605 :)

      • sorry typo 213605

        • Just hope you don’t win… they’ll void all your teams then

          • Why would they do that? Its just for fun.

          • Remember the bloke from last year who had like 20 teams in the comp just for fun? He had them all deleted once they figured it out. That’s how they roll… this is what the site says:

            Q: How many times can I enter?

            A: You may only register and enter each of the games ONCE. Anyone found to be registered more than once, or controlling more than one team in any one game at any stage of the competition, will face possible disqualification as indicated in the official game rules and terms of use.

            So winning would be equivalent to deleting your team/s. I doubt they’d fork out the cash either.

          • Holy shit! :(

            I have a few teams like this…

          • Just changed my team name from I Want Tickets to Late Risers and changed my first name to James…I’m a criminal mastermind!

          • If you win a weekly prize with your main team later they’ll find out (they must have ID required to claim prize) and not only won’t you get the second prize, but you’ll be required to at least pay back any previously claimed prize. You may also be banned from ever winning anything with DT/Supercoach.

            Only do it if you’ve got someone else who can claim the prize for you who doesn’t have a team.

    • Have been doing this with a team since Round 1 so it has 21 premo’s including Tom Mitchell as the 22nd player… I should be a show…

      • I’ll say. I may have to become a bit more professional with this next year ;)

    • Had never thought of doing this. Thanks for the tip!
      Already got 2 DT teams so I went for 2 SC teams instead. I have gone quite different in both. They look like this:
      Team 1
      DEF: Houli, Hanley, Birchall, Ibbo, Wilson, Clisby (el cheapo’s)
      MID: Kornes, Lids(vc), Jack, ROK(c), Montagne, Fyfe, Titchell, Hrovat (el cheapo’s)
      RUC: Nic Nat, Blicavs (el cheapo’s)
      FWD: Bartell, Stokes, Roughhead, Franklin, Harvey, Stringer (el cheapo’s)

      Teams 2
      DEF: Brichall, Ibbo, Ellis, Hombsch, Wilson, Clisby (nobody’s)
      MID: Lids, Jack(vc), Barlow, Griffen(c), Mundy, Jelwood, Titchell, Hrovat (nobody’s)
      RUC: Goldstein, Pederson (nobody’s)
      FWD:Roo, Martin, Rocky, Franklin, Stevie J, J White (nobody’s)

      One question, how does the SC captain loophole work?

      • Basically, because there is a partial lockout each week, the guys you have playing in earlier games can be given the vc. If you are happy with the score that they get and you want to put them as captain, all you have to do is take the c off the guy you had it on, then swap a guy on to the field who isn’t playing, put the c on them, then have a guy who is playing as the emergency for the guy who now has the c. If you aren’t happy with their score, all you do is leave the c on the other player that you had intended it to be on.

        Just a few things to remember, you must have the vc on a guy whose game will finish before the game that your captain is in starts, and before your non playing player is locked out (just have a basement rook in your team that has a bye and you’ll be fine). Make sure your aware of your vc’s score as it happens, you only have until your captain plays to decide whether you want to take your vc’s score, and in my case, the gap between my vc’s game finishing and my captain’s game starting is only 3 hours, so at some point in between those games I will have to make a decision on who to captain. For me, if my vc scores less than 120, I won’t take their score, and if they score more than 140, I will definitely take their score. Between 120 and 140 is my grey area for vice captains on supercoach.

        Hope you understand all of this and are able to successfully attempt the loophole.

  • Seriously thinking about trading Ball this week rather than JOM. Thoughts?

    • Tough call… youth vs experience. Only a crystal ball could split them I rekcon.

  • Thoughts on blayne wilson?? Named again this week coming off a 84 on debut

  • Jäger to Griffen or Scotland to Ellis? Tigers have a great draw coming up – do we trust Ellis to avoid the vest? Jäger would then spend 2 more weeks in my side before I will upgrade him to pendles in round 15. I have it jäger>Scotland and Ellis = Griffen?

    • Look at it from a points differential.

      Scotland is a 70-90 ave player
      Jäger is a 85-95 ave player

      If you were to trade either how many point extra would make the trade a success. I say with these players am increase in 10-15.

      Griffen to me will average 100 by season end at best.
      Ellis to me will average 100 as well by season end. Not including the vests because really that’s where we start his scoring potential.

      So to me the statement that you said Ellis = Griffin is correct and jäger is better then Scotland. So I would go Scotland to Ellis based on that.

      • yearly average are irrelevant. Average over the period held (i.e. if everything goes to plan now until season’s end) is what matters. Apart from that I agree with your analysis.

  • Good work dunny. Great points, think its crasy people are wanting to trade ablett or swan out at the business end.

    My question is. It has been established that JOM should be traded out to field a team. But what if you have moloney as well. I was planning on trading Moloney out. And keeping JOM. Moloneys breakeven is higher. Either way one must go. Who. Leaning towards JOM. Whoever stays will be m8 until I upgrade.

    • Get rid of Molony over JOM.

      JOM won’t generate much more cash, but he’ll get his breakeven this week and continue to pump out ~90 every week until the end of the year.

      Moloney is going to drop a significant amount of value this week, and only get you ~80 each week.

  • To add to Jarrad’s point about Lids, if you were looking to trade him out after R16, you could do worse than Jack Redden. Usually, he finishes the season better then he starts and plays GWS, Melbourne, Port and the Saints between R17-21.

  • Any inside info on hunter? Downgrading omeara to either hrovat or hunter. Ideally wanna go with non vested one this week, but would prefer best js in long run. Lefty’s got me scared with his hot tip for vesting hunter but his sanfl stats sound sexy.

    • Hrovat is on the bubble, you still have 2 weeks to get Hunter before he is on the bubble.

      • Yeah but not really getting in for cash generation alone. More looking short term cover for any spuds this week. Hunter apparently has big numbers in sanfl. Could pull a mitchell and explode.

  • Laird > Ellis

    O’Meara > Mitchell


    • I’m picking Ellis over Jack/Barlow based on for value for money. I just hope he stays fit. Jack / Barlow will come in over the next two weeks.

    • I want Ellis this week but then in the long run I’ll have an 8 premo DEF, which is not ideal. Think long term I reckon… if he suits your team then go for it!

      Other one’s a no brainer. You shouldn’t even have to ask.

      • 8 premo defenders? are you including the likes of Vlaustin and Goodes in that classification? Are you using some of your defenders in the midfield?

        Next week I plan to bring Gibbs in and that’ll give me 6 premo defenders:
        Goddard, Heppell, Hibberd, Gibbs, Ibbotson, Ellis (Vlaustin, Thurlow)

        Other than my planned 6 who do you consider “premo”?

        • My DEFs at the moment are Goddard, Heppell, Hanley, Birchall, Malceski, Vlastuin, Staker and Terlich.

          Next week Terlich becomes Gibbs, so Vlasty goes to D7. If I went Staker to Ellis this week, I’d have Vlasty (who I have probably loosely termed a premo…) and one other on the bench. Deciding who is a problem I don’t want to have.

          • No point having premium players on your bench just yet. Sideways trade out of form “premiums” and keep Vlastuin and Staker as your D7 and D8. Use the remaining cash for other upgrades mate.

          • Yep, which is sort of what I was saying… Ellis doesn’t really fit my team, coz he squeezes either himself or someone either premo or borderline premo to the bench.

            If he was to fit your structure tho, I’d suggest getting Ellis in. Last 3 games has averaged the same was Ablett and a tick less than Swan. The lad’s on fire!

  • Omeara to Hrovat for cash for next weeks upgrades and Scotland to Ellis,thoughts ?

  • A great read as always Dunny!

    My question is whether or not to keep O’meara or Ball, with Ball’s recent calf injury and a fair chance of being rested if he’s not 100% given the pies are playing Port next. Where as O’meara has a decent run of matches ahead over the next few weeks post bye. I’m swinging towards trading out Ball for now.

  • Looking at making 1 midfield upgrade this week and my final one in the next few weeks.

    I already have Swan, Ablett, Pendles, Watson, Swallow and Barlow. I also have Mitchell to sit at M8 for now so any further upgrade will push him to M9 and provide good cover.

    I am currently thinking 2 of S Selwood, Jack and Boyd. Which of these 3 is the best option to bring in this week or is there someone else i should be looking at?

    • Jack

    • The other option is to trade Laird to a premo defender and hold Vlastuin in the mids for now and then trade Thurlow/Stake/Terlich to a premo mid via Vlastuin DPP in the next week or 2.

      I currently have Goddard, Heppell, Gibbs, Hartlett, Terlich, Laird, Thurlow, Staker.

      Probably leaning towards a mid at this stage. Next week i will have Terlich and Vlastuin at D5 and D6 and the premo defenders have been a bit of a raffle so far this year.


  • Who is everyone downgrading to this week?

    • O’Meara

    • O’Meara and Whitfield

    • Great move by you guys, bringing in players that aren’t playing and you can’t even downgrade to

    • Mitchell and Hrovat would be obvious choices… others might be Daniher and KMart. Some will roll the dice on Wilson and Hunter.

      I’m double upgrading this week, keeping JOM on the pine. He’ll become KMart next week.

  • What’s people’s thoughts on Mundy. Very unquie only in 2.81% of teams. He’s ave 108 over the last 3 weeks. Freo have a very good run.

    • ave 108 includes a 71. He has a big range with his scores and only reached 100+ 5 times. He’ll give you scores between 70-120. If you’re ok with that then why not. He is often heavily tagged as well. I think there are better options IMO. Would pick Griffen over Mundy.

      • Dont get him

        • Why not?

          Mundy doesn’t get tagged they usually go to Fyfe or Hill.
          Hes scored 124,71 and 134 in last 3 and hasn’t got a score under 70 yet. I say that’s consistent.

          • Good luck if you want the 20th highest ave mid for the season and a guy that will throw in as many 70s as 100s He is the first or second tagged every wk. What game are you watching?

  • Par for R14 is gonna be bloody massive. 2350+ me thinks…

  • Keep in mind that we will have the chance to sideways trade later on, so don’t be alarmed if some of your premos have a tough DT run home. Sydney may have some difficult opponents for DT finals, but look at their next 4.

  • Laird – buddy
    JOM – hannabery

    Laird – buddy
    JOM – priddis

    JOM – scooter
    Macaf – daniher

    JOM – scooter
    Macaf – buddy
    (doing this i will have staker on the bench in FWDS, but next week i can DDP staker to DEF bench and downgrade laird – daniher for cash)

  • Have s serious captain dilemma

    Can choose from Stevie J, Swallow, Martin, JPK, (Titch), Cotchin, Priddis or Rockliff.

    Have no idea, since Stevie J earnt himself a spot on the ‘never again’ list

    Please Help

  • Should I trade Kane Mitchell or Crouch to Tom Mitchell Stuck on this decision

  • I’m Laird to Ellis, then should I go JOM to Hrovat and upgrade M.Jones to S.Selwood next or should I just go JOM to Deledio this week which would leave me broke.

  • JOM – Joey, Scooter or Boyd ?

  • just enough cash to go jom and ball to scooter and rok, not enough for jack. good trades? or should I go jack and another cheaper mid instead?

    • i like rok… he is in top form and a good POD.

      he does get the occasional 80’s scores but has the skill to pump up huge scores more.

      • yeah everyone seems to be going jack so ill try something different hopefully scooter pays off as well

    • Can u get Scooter and Boyd?

  • or not sure if I would be better off keeping one of jom or ball haha

  • Who should i trade out for Tom Mitchell Crouch or Hutchings? Hutch not selected and crows got bye?

  • scooter, hannabery, ROK?

    eagles have a harder run coming up…

    swans have a easy game next 4 weeks and hannabery and rok have the potential to smash out huge numbers over these teams port, carlton, melbourne and gws.

  • JOM – scooter


    JOM – montagna

  • Help me decide which trade out of

    1. Terlich to K.Jack (but puts T.Mitchell on the pine)
    2. Neade to Stokes
    3. Neade to Naitanui
    4. J.Kennedy (Time to go?) to Stokes
    5. Neade to J.Daniher

  • To trade in Nroo or ibbotson using dpp

    • Ibbo. I’d get him if I could. Pass on NRoo, ordinary last few games. His average is boosted by big games early in the season.

    • Ibbotsoon!
      Ibbo will dominate for the rest of the season

  • does anyone think buddy is going to turn it around

  • Is putting the C on big Joel selwood a bad idea? I have Barlow, but thinking jelwood might clean up the lions!

  • Naitanui or Goldstein?

  • Jack or Barlow for this week?
    The other one will be traded in next week!

  • thanks dunny. another great article form you son!
    anyways i have one issue that i need YOU to answer. i can upgrade murphy to any mid, and i think you forgot to talk about the ebst mid going around. BOYDY. did u miss him because most people have him in already or because you dont rate him?
    from hots

  • whats ur overall rank??

    I bet your not even in the top 10000

  • I have one trade left and only 17 playing. Do I get rid of Laird or O’meara?

  • Going Jack for captain this week. Only 17 playing though