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AFL Teams: Round 5 – Magpies v Bombers

The teams are in for the ANZAC Day game between Collingwood and Essendon. The Bombers are without Michael Hurley (hamstring), while Jake Carlisle come sin. Nathan Brown and Kirk Ugle (making his debut) come in for the Magpies, with Tom Young and Jackson Paine dropped.

Collingwood v Essendon

MCG – Wed Apr 25, 2:40pm

OUR FOOTYTIPS: Roy – Collingwood by 20, Calvin – Collingwood by 4, Warnie – Essendon by 12.

Collingwood

B: Heritier O’Brien, Lachlan Keeffe, Nathan Brown
HB: Simon Buckley, Nick Maxwell, Tyson Goldsack
C: Dane Swan, Sharrod Wellingham, Ben Johnson
HF: Paul Seedsman, Chris Dawes, Ben Sinclair
F: Dayne Beams, Travis Cloke, Alex Fasolo
Foll: Darren Jolly, Scott Pendlebury, Steele Sidebottom
I/C: Alan Toovey, Martin Clarke, Jarryd Blair, Kirk Ugle

Emg: Alan Didak, Cameron Wood, Tom Young

In: Nathan Brown, Kirk Ugle
Out: Tom Young, Jackson Paine

New: Kirk Ugle (Swan Districts (WAFL))

Essendon

B: Dustin Fletcher, Cale Hooker, Dyson Heppell
HB: Michael Hibberd, Tayte Pears, Kyle Hardingham
C: Jake Melksham, Jobe Watson, David Zaharakis
HF: Brent Stanton, Patrick Ryder, Jake Carlisle
F: Alwyn Davey, Stewart Crameri, Leroy Jetta
Foll: Tom Bellchambers, Heath Hocking, Angus Monfries
I/C: Ricky Dyson, Sam Lonergan, Ben Howlett, Cory Dell’Olio

Emg: Henry Slattery, Travis Colyer, Luke Davis

In: Jake Carlisle
Out: Michael Hurley (Hamstring)

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112 Comments

112 Comments

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    Ingoes

    April 24, 2012 at 6:36 pm

    can’t help myself…

    first

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      maverick

      April 24, 2012 at 6:43 pm

      I thort last week u were having a go at ppl that said 1st and now you joinin them. That is just imature.

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        Ingoes

        April 24, 2012 at 6:46 pm

        I have never bagged anyone for saying first. I have also never done it before. Lighten up bro

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          Ridley U

          April 24, 2012 at 6:59 pm

          How did it feel? I saw it and was tempted myself but didn’t give into the urge haha

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            Ingoes

            April 24, 2012 at 7:02 pm

            You’re a better man than me Ridley. There was a small surge of adrenalin as I realised I’d probably get flamed – but in all I’d say the experience was overrated. I probably won’t do it again

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            mtooler

            April 24, 2012 at 8:56 pm

            The time to get on it is preseason when you’re the only poster for days.

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      Tim

      April 24, 2012 at 6:49 pm

      is the captain loophole going to work??

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        Blue boys

        April 24, 2012 at 6:54 pm

        Depends on whether you f*ck it up or not!! ;-)

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        Sean

        April 24, 2012 at 7:00 pm

        yeah, with Swan or Pendles as VC

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      Pettiger

      April 24, 2012 at 7:06 pm

      Take control man. Be strong.

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    chewylizard

    April 24, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    I was going to say good to see Ugle named for his FIRST game

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    joseph

    April 24, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    That’s good pendles is playing

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      Jesse

      April 24, 2012 at 6:46 pm

      why wouldn’t he be playing?

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        joseph

        April 24, 2012 at 6:48 pm

        there was an inury scare during the day

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          Feliks

          April 24, 2012 at 7:04 pm

          Interesting piece in the age today regarding Hocking studying the footage of Carazzo’s job on Pendlebury. I wouldn’t be expecting massive scores from Pendlebury. I’ll be putting the VC on Watson, I reckon Stanton will have a bit more attention, possibly freeing up Jobe.

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            Blue boys

            April 24, 2012 at 7:59 pm

            Using the loophole is all about putting the VC on someone who can rack up a massive score……surely. Stanton would have to be a better option than Watson to do that!!!!

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            Magpie28

            April 24, 2012 at 9:42 pm

            Carazzo’s job on Pendles was over-rated… Pendles just had a dead set shocker. He was in space plenty of times, just did un-Pendles-like things such as dropping marks when in the open and being half a step behind at times. Ablett had 40+ touches against Essendon, remember.

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            Harper

            April 24, 2012 at 10:09 pm

            Hey Magpie, thanx so much for your unbiased opinion about Carrazzo.
            it’s hard to know which, if either of Stanton or Watson wouldget the most pointsd, as it changes every week.
            Of course Pendles could do well, and Swan even better.
            Tough decision!

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            Mateyman

            April 25, 2012 at 11:38 am

            I agree with Magpie. Was at the game. Everybody from Collingwood played shockingly – dropping marks and our midfield got killed. Pendlebury made HEAPS of uncharacteristic mistakes like dropping marks etc. Anyway, so what if Hocking watches a tape of Carazzo? I could watch a tape of Carazzo, doesn’t mean I would tag well

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    Bradley

    April 24, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    Looking to make use of the loophole – Will a Pendlebury VC and Ablett C (both on ground) with Shiel as an emergency make this possible??

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      Sean

      April 24, 2012 at 7:01 pm

      yeah

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        Bradley

        April 24, 2012 at 7:03 pm

        Cheers mate, here’s hoping for a big 150 from Pendles

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        Harper

        April 24, 2012 at 10:11 pm

        Do you need to have an emergency in this situation?

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          Harper

          April 24, 2012 at 10:14 pm

          Oh..I get it..you have to leave Ablett on the ground to keep the C on him. So..that’s why you need an emergency.
          Got it!

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      Ingoes

      April 24, 2012 at 7:03 pm

      Yes

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      Jared

      April 25, 2012 at 12:03 pm

      Shiel might be getting rested this week..

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    Tim

    April 24, 2012 at 6:49 pm

    Will the loophole be in effect?? suppose we need ablett on the ground with an emergency to cover. Is that how it works???

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      troy

      April 24, 2012 at 7:00 pm

      all you need to do is put the C on Ablett and the V on a prem playing for either Collingwood or Essendon. if your happy with the score of your vice then leave the C on Ablett, if your not happy with the score from your V then take the C off Abblett and put on another player before final lockout.

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    Ridley U

    April 24, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    Maybe a possible downgrade defender in N Brown. Should have great JS. Hopefully never get a game or have one of those chip around the back games if required. Always great in theory. Hoping for another one (forward) to be named this week for North in Ben Warren.

    Wonder if i will have the balls in 2 weeks lol

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      Blue boys

      April 24, 2012 at 8:01 pm

      Yeah Brown will be awesome for consistent mid 30 scores…….not to mention sound health!! ;-)

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        esuba77

        April 24, 2012 at 8:27 pm

        yeah,,i’ll get rutten and glass thie week then brown and carlile..

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          Ridley U

          April 24, 2012 at 9:29 pm

          You boys need to lighten up a little. Was very tongue in cheek!

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        Ridley U

        April 24, 2012 at 9:19 pm

        There has been some good scores from backs this year that you would never have seen coming.

        You just never know… lol

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    John-Wayne

    April 24, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    GUYS SHOULD I TRADE IN STANTON OR MURPHY (for fyfe)?????? EVERY YEAR I HAVE STANTON AND THIS YEAR I DECIDED NOT TO -.-

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      troy

      April 24, 2012 at 7:01 pm

      murphy if you can afford mate.

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      troy

      April 24, 2012 at 7:02 pm

      Murphy if you can afford mate

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      Ridley U

      April 24, 2012 at 7:02 pm

      Interesting….

      I know you had the old fella cut off once but there really isn’t need to yell ;-)

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      John-Wayne

      April 24, 2012 at 7:05 pm

      i can afford anyone i have 700k in my bank so murphy

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    Matt

    April 24, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    why isn’t dempsey playing

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      mufc

      April 24, 2012 at 7:45 pm

      really? -_- *sigh*

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        Matt

        April 24, 2012 at 8:10 pm

        yeh sorry just read about it

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    Big Feller

    April 24, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    Guys – I don’t know if I’m imagining things but I swear to God that I’ve gone up 2 places in the rankings this week.
    Anyone else experience anything similar?

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      Ryan

      April 24, 2012 at 7:20 pm

      Happened to me too mate! Went from 166 to 164 :)

      Think it’s because that guy got busted for having like 20 teams in the top 10,000 which is not a bad effort…

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        joseph

        April 24, 2012 at 7:22 pm

        yep same here, suck for him

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          Magpie28

          April 24, 2012 at 10:00 pm

          Yeah, went up 14 spots… does that give away how shite my season’s going?

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            Mumbles

            April 25, 2012 at 2:10 am

            I went up 22 spots.
            Breaks me through the 21,500 barrier…whoopie???

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        All Show

        April 24, 2012 at 11:46 pm

        are you sure you’re 164 Ryan? Or you talking crap

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    MC

    April 24, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    Dane Swan VC!! will either go bang or bust looking at his history.

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      Ingoes

      April 24, 2012 at 7:32 pm

      Won’t be bust. Check out his history – Swanny goes large in patches. Never an isolated fat score. The next two or three will be monsters from the DT pig – and non-owners are gonna suffer while GAJ isn’t out there…

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      chewylizard

      April 24, 2012 at 7:34 pm

      Or possibly somewhere in between?

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    fivestar

    April 24, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    Just put $30 on Pendles for the medals,
    Big game player and due for a massive score, makes up for the fact I don’t have him in my DT! If he wins me it however, I will have to give him a run in my team after the bye.

    Got another $10 to chuck on something (Sportsbet) anyone found a favourable bet?

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      juddy69

      April 24, 2012 at 9:30 pm

      courtney dempsay first goal scorer

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      Mateyman

      April 25, 2012 at 11:42 am

      Heath Shaw?

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    lochie

    April 24, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    What to do with Zaharakis? Keep him this game or upgrade him? He’s my weakest link in the forwardline in terms of form: Sidebottom, Lewis, Zaharakis, Robinson, Goodes, Smith, Kennedy

    Advice appreciated

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      Ridley U

      April 24, 2012 at 7:49 pm

      Just turn Smith or Kennedy into Buddy round 14 and you will be looking good.

      Keep Zaha. He will come good.

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    jack

    April 24, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    44chappo would be telling u s to do the loophole thing!

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      jake

      April 24, 2012 at 7:53 pm

      44chappo would be complaing that “ablett didnt score as much as swan. Why didnt calvitell us that ablett was going to get injured, clvin your a fraud and shouldnt be giving advice”
      Good to see him gne

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    jake

    April 24, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    Have gone To put the lids on carrots.
    Good trade?????

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      josh_182

      April 24, 2012 at 8:10 pm

      Yeah Carrots to Lids is what’d I’d do in the same position

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    josh_182

    April 24, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    Dunno if I can hold Ablett for 2 maybe 3 weeks, thinking of Ablett to Barlow, Toby Greene to Rockliffe. What do you think would pay off better in the long run?

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    jack

    April 24, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    Watson or pendles for vice captain loop hole?

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      Gods sons

      April 24, 2012 at 8:24 pm

      or even sidebottom?

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        jack

        April 24, 2012 at 8:34 pm

        I dont have him

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      Jaydoss

      April 24, 2012 at 8:32 pm

      wait for calvin captain’s muppet

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        Alex

        April 24, 2012 at 10:01 pm

        Does calvin captain own a muppet?

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        Alex

        April 24, 2012 at 10:02 pm

        When will calvin captain’s muppet arrive?

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        Alex

        April 24, 2012 at 10:03 pm

        It feels as though I have been waiting quite a while for calvin captain’s muppet to come along…

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        Alex

        April 24, 2012 at 10:08 pm

        I fear that you aren’t being completely honest re calvin captain owning a muppet

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        Alex

        April 24, 2012 at 10:08 pm

        For shame!

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    Gods sons

    April 24, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    Ok so iike everyone i’m really not sure what to do about Ablett. I don’t wanna go down in the rankings, or lose any of my head to heads over the next few weeks and without Ablett my midfield would be Boyd, Pendlebury, Mitchell, Magner, Coniglio, Greene and Shiel, which I don’t feel is strong enough and also kinda worry that sheeds is gonna be up to his usual tricks of last minute resting of shit loads of my players leaving me with donuts galore! At one point I considered trading Ablett to Stanton and then upgrading one of my gws rooks when he returns, but I also reckon that no one will score too big tomorrow because it’ll be a rainy day which often means a scrappy game with not many clean possessions….am i right in thinking this? I already only have 21 trades after trying to dodge donuts with fyfe and shaw. Any suggestions would help!

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      EmeraldIllusion

      April 24, 2012 at 8:54 pm

      Save your trades. Chuck him on the pine. He will come back soon… It’s Ablett.

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        Gods sons

        April 24, 2012 at 8:55 pm

        thanks for answering!

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          Magpie28

          April 24, 2012 at 10:17 pm

          Just a word on saving trades… I saved a bunch of them last year for finals and upgraded a series of guys to Hawthorn players in the lead up to the GF because they were playing the Suns. Well, turned out about half of them were rested and I had a bunch of donuts anyway.

          What I’m saying is make your trades, get your team to a position where you can afford to let it sit (or at least, make say three trades through a 6-week stretch) and hope for the best. The second best time to trade is for the finals. The best time to trade is the start of the season so you make sure you get there!

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            Vishnu27

            April 24, 2012 at 10:55 pm

            Without doubt, the single most sensible piece of advice I have read in some time. Nice one, Magpie.

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            imofm

            April 25, 2012 at 1:42 am

            Agree totally, which is lucky as i can’t help myself from trading anyway.

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    Nicko

    April 24, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    Barlow for Rhys Palmer
    C.Ward for Fyfe

    Or Treloar + Stanton/Swan/Pendles/Watson?

    In other words, two underpriced premiums or a cash cow and a [potentially] super premium?

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    The x Factor

    April 24, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    geez…..

    can you help thinking about next year already?

    I know theres still a great year ahead of us and I’m already thinking about ball, gray lecras, embley, possibly fyfe (will have him anyway). just live the dream……

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      jack

      April 24, 2012 at 8:38 pm

      +1

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      Jaydoss

      April 24, 2012 at 8:41 pm

      if you’re already thinking about next year you know you’re in trouble

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        The x Factor

        April 24, 2012 at 8:49 pm

        @jaydoss, not in any trouble, just in the back of the mind ;)

        don’t worry, Iv’e had a slow start but looking to hit my straps by rnd 7, just in time for eliminator!!

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        Alex

        April 24, 2012 at 10:13 pm

        Just wait until the muppet owned by calvin captain arrives!

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      esuba77

      April 24, 2012 at 9:48 pm

      nice forward line

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    Esky1982

    April 24, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    20 trades left-
    To sell Fyfe or not?? do i keep him and lose money, or trade him for anyone barring Swannie??

    If you think i should sell, who do you think for?? Rock, MMurph, Thompson, Mitchell, Barlow ????

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      briby

      April 24, 2012 at 8:45 pm

      It’s up to you, if your going to worry about his shoulder, get him out, if not he’s a keeper. If not Murph or Mitchell, toss a coin.

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    jack

    April 24, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    I have fyfe coming back this week (pretty sure he will play), do I sub adam kennedy, adam treloar or devon smith? Cant make up my mind and leaning towards kennedy because of recent poor form

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      Magpie28

      April 24, 2012 at 10:20 pm

      Wait for teams amigo… one or more of them might not even be named

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    briby

    April 24, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    Trying to undo a trade stuff up and keep GAJ. Hurn out, C. Smith out, Robbo to mids, can’t afford Sidebum, so Crameri in, the only player i can afford in backs with some form is Marty Clarke. lose about 50pts but still have Gazza. Sound ok?

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      Alex

      April 24, 2012 at 10:06 pm

      nope

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    Gods sons

    April 24, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    can anyone advise me on what affects rain has on dt scores? Looks like we will have a wet game on our hands tomorrow and if i end up doing a crazy last minute sideways from GAJ to Stanton, I don’t want him to score poorly coz of the rain

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      Shazzam

      April 24, 2012 at 10:06 pm

      Alot

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      J.Watson 3votes

      April 24, 2012 at 10:21 pm

      Usually a lot more stoppages, genrally results in lower scores.

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      Magpie28

      April 24, 2012 at 10:25 pm

      Less marks, more stoppages (hit outs / tackles / frees)

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      jake

      April 25, 2012 at 7:35 am

      Good for rucks(hitouts) trucks (tackles) and ducks(puddles)

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    Alec

    April 24, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    alright lads, was gonna downgrade a few rooks this week but injuries have changed those plans. Looking at making a big decision and trading in Ablett for Murphy and Carrazzo for Birchall or Suckling. hate making side trades but they’re a must for me this week!

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    Demis

    April 24, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    Re Captain loophole: Is are the VC and C unlocked after the Wed night game? eg. If I put VC on, say, Ryder then C on Boyd….if I like Ryder’s score can I then move C to Ablett (bring him off the bench) to exploit the loophole OR are VC and C locked from first game?

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      esuba77

      April 24, 2012 at 9:55 pm

      If you have selected a Captain, Vice Captain and/or any Emergencies from your Collingwood or Essendon players prior to the Wednesday afternoon partial lockout, they can NO longer be de-selected or changed. If you did not, these options will remain available to you through to the full lockout on Friday evening, for players from the remaining 8 matches.

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        esuba77

        April 24, 2012 at 9:57 pm

        in short yes.

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      leetrevor81

      April 24, 2012 at 10:05 pm

      Basically anything you do to a collingwood or essendon player can’t be changed after lockout. Players from every other team can be moved around, traded etc.

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    Alex

    April 24, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    If I’m a muppet, I’m a very manly muppet…

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      Vishnu27

      April 24, 2012 at 11:00 pm

      …and highly skilled too. First typing, reading & ironic muppet the world has seen…

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        Alex

        April 24, 2012 at 11:18 pm

        You don’t find Miss Piggy ironic?

        She thinks she’s hot, but she’s a pig.

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    FMDT

    April 24, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    I’m stil not 110% sure bout partial lockout. so if you want to make 2 trades this week, and before partial lckout u trade in a bomer/magpie player lets just say you trade in sidebum for beams. then after partial lockout if u make a trade reguarding any other player (mcdonald for conigs) can you still reverse themcdonald/conigs trade?

    Picking stanton as VC for loophole expecting him to pop out another high scoring 140+ game.

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      Semisonic

      April 24, 2012 at 10:53 pm

      Reverses cannot be used after tomorrows lockout. So in your sitcho the trades would be locked. However if you just did the lies trade you would still have time to wait and see on team selections. But any trade you make after Wednesday is final.

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        Semisonic

        April 24, 2012 at 10:54 pm

        That’s supposed to be “pies trades” but I think it works. Or anything that puts em down really.

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    Semisonic

    April 24, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    Considering a trade of Shaw to Lake as he’s not playing again and has been subpar at best so far. The extra coin it brings sets me up to get Swanny possibly next week. Is it worth it? I don’t usually trade out keepers and the thought is somewhat bugging me. Very tempted tho.

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    Alex

    April 24, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    I’m pretty keen on Barlow – I reckon he’ll just get better and better without that douche Rhys Palmer to break his legs. This seems to be the week to get him… so I may get rid of Ablett – just don’t see the point in selling rookies too early.

    I also have Fyfe, and am considering a trade to Beams next week or so as he is dropping in price. I reckon Beams will go alright as the Pies improve, and now there is one less midfielder with Ball out – can only mean more game time.

    My question is; is Treloar worth picking up for Fyfe? Will Pfieffer do the same thing in a week or Zorko at some other point? I suppose there will be more opportunities to re-establish the DPP link with a rookie in the future… Treloar looks the goods, but at the wrong time??

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    lochie

    April 25, 2012 at 1:44 am

    Quick question:

    Is the captain loophole this week legit?

    Reputable DT colleagues responses appreciated.

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      lochie

      April 25, 2012 at 2:00 am

      I’m sitting on 2097th after 200000th last year, so I don’t want my season going down the drain…

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      jake

      April 25, 2012 at 7:38 am

      Just try it
      If it fails, its your fault for not reading the 1000000 other comments about it

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    McScoundrel

    April 25, 2012 at 3:19 am

    aHay guys need help I’m raeally hammered shoudl I drrTrade Popr out this weel?

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    Harper

    April 25, 2012 at 10:39 am

    Hey Wise DT heads,
    Can you give me fors and against trading in N.Brown for Carrots?
    I noticed some of you making fun of him a few posts back.
    Is he a bad DT’er then?
    I thought he was supposed to be a gun?
    All non ironic comments appreciated.
    Ta. :-)

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    Ryan

    April 25, 2012 at 11:49 am

    Top read mate!! Team will remain unchanged, with Ablett and Pendles C and Vc respectably… Greene shall provide me with a forced loophole attempt which will be backed up by boyd if pendles fails. Quick shout out to know-all Genghis Kahn… Turns out H Mac is proving to have assumed the no. 1 mantle at the kangas already. Ranked inside 2000 and loving GKs many comments to everyone, being disproved… You sir, are a pleb…

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