Chook’s Rooks – Round 6

I don’t know how much training you need to become an actual meatworker, but in the Dream Team abattoir you’re free to start carving up your cows with no less of an apprenticeship than five minutes in a live chat room with Dr Dream Team. I mean, he’s a got a PhD in AFL after all.

The point is, you can pull the trigger on a trade whenever you want – the trick is timing it so your out-going rook has hit their peak price and the guy you’re bringing in is, if it’s a downgrade, still in the basement or, if it’s an upgrade, as low as they’ll ever go. Not rocket science, agreed, but it gets messy. Take this week, for example. One of the main decisions for DT coaches over the next couple of days will be whether to upgrade, downgrade or keep Nick Duigan. The popular Carlton defender has made a healthy $125,000 for his 100,000-odd owners but takes a breakeven of 76 into his round-seven encounter. That’s 12 points higher than his average and a score he’s managed to exceed just once in the opening six rounds, going for a memorable 94 in the first of the multi-bye rounds three weeks ago. Also influencing the decision to love or shove Duigan is Carlton’s bye in round eight. So what are the options?

STAY ABOARD THE SINKING SHIP

You might have more urgent matters to attend to in your forward line and midfield. You might be backing Duigan to reach his breakeven against misfiring St Kilda. I mean, it’s not like he’s Richmond enigma Shane Tuck, who’s facing a BE the wrong side of 250. In the same way that contestants on The Biggest Loser drop the weight of two Jake Kings, Tuck could shed the starting price of a Broc McCauley when e next steps on to the park. Sorry, got a bit sidetracked. Anyway, you’re not risking a great deal by hanging on to Duigan, as a repeat of his 43 from round six will see him drop only a touch over $10 grand. Keep in mind that round eight bye, though.

THE WATER-LOGGED PREMIUM

I’m not talking Brian Lake here. I said “water-logged”, not “ship-wrecked”. (Y’all sick of the maritime theme already, right?) I’m thinking more a Corey Enright type, someone who’s dropped a bit of value but promises strong returns in the future and has already served one of their two byes this season. This kind of upgrade is possibly the best option, depending on the make-up of your team and, of course, the amount of spare change in your back pocket. About $140k should get the deal done.

THE MISSED-THE-BOAT MID-PRICER

If you haven’t hooked on to the Jed Adcock bandwagon yet, then Duigan might be the vehicle to get you there. You’ll need about $5000 more than you’ll spend on Enright, but you can’t argue with his form over the past four games. Plus they’ve got the Suns this week.

THE MISSED-THE-BOAT-BUT-YOU-COULD-PROBABLY-MAKE-IT-WITH-A-BIT-OF-A-RUN-UP ROOKIE

I hate bringing in rookies once they’ve had their first price rise. Their first price hike is invariably their biggest (although Mitch Wallis looks set to be an exception to that rule, but more on him later), plus it’s a bit of a pride thing. I’m considering swallowing that (and the $40k jump he’s had already) to do just that though and bring in Adelaide defender Luke Thompson this week. Now priced at $134,000, Thompson not only had a great scoring game in round six, but his job security was greatly enhanced by the shoulder injury to fellow Crow backman Phil Davis. I’d expect his average to sit much closer to the mid-50 mark that he managed in his first two games than the near-100 he knocked up against the Saints, but there were enough positives on Saturday night to bring him under serious consideration as a downgrade option.

THE SAILING-THIS-WEEK ROOKIES

There are a couple of defenders about to enjoy their first price rise, but neither Jack Hutchins or Matthew Shaw has done enough in their Gold Coast games to date to suggest they’re a better option than those above and below. Last week I’d have been saying the same things about Thompson, so there’s every chance I’ll end up with more egg on my face but neither Hutchins or Shaw has managed to crack the half-century mark yet and I’m pretty sure that’s around about their ceiling. Expect them to prove me wrong, of course.

THEY’VE HAD A BOTTLE OF BUBBLY SMASHED ON THEIR FRONT BIT, BUT THAT’S ABOUT IT

What is the front bit of a boat again? A bow, the sternum, Portsmouth FC? Whatever. Anyway, there a couple of downgrade options in the backline that have had a taste of the AFL but we’re yet to see them for a second time. The likeliest lad of those is probably Essendon’s Michael Hibberd, who ominously followed in the footsteps of Chook’s Rooks Hall-of-Famer Michael Barlow by winning the Fothergill-Round Medal as the VFL’s most promising player last year. No one’s expecting 130s, but dual-position eligibility is a party trick that gives Hibberd an edge over his peers. While his team was setting records, Hibberd made a confident debut that yielded 68 points. The next best option of the one-gamers, St Kilda’s Jamie Cripps, only scored about half that, but it came in a little more than a quarter of footy. Given that St Kilda’s season is spiralling out of control, you could expect some of the kids to get more time that would’ve been expecting had they started the year 5-0.

THE YET-TO-GET-HIS-RUDDER-WET ROOKIE

Your final option is to consider someone yet to make their first appearance, a rare and risky route only taken under extreme circumstances, i.e. – the player you want to get rid of is extremely bad or the one you’re bringing in is extremely good. Port Adelaide’s Ben Jacobs has convinced plenty of DT coaches that he’s the latter, so ditching Duigan for the dual-position Power draft pick wouldn’t be the craziest of calls. After recovering from glandular fever to feature in the SANFL reserves a fortnight ago, Jacobs stepped up to senior level last week and picked up 22 disposals. Lots of options and, of course, whichever way you go you’ll be wishing you did something else by Sunday night. Alright, on to the rest of the three-or-more gamers, then.

Three-or-more gamers

Only one other player in this bracket has a better breakeven than Thompson, and that’s Brisbane ruckman Broc McCauley (-62). As regular senior players regain fitness and are slowly being added to the Lions’ team, McCauley’s doing all he can to retain a place. Cheers for the ruck coverage during the multi-bye circus, big dawg. West Coast forward Jack Darling deserves a mention for his second successive monster score, as does Carlton midfielder Ed Curnow, although we’re getting used to premo-like scores from him. In fact, so good has Curnow been that I wasn’t overly shocked when he finished the round as my highest scoring midfielder. I was far more surprised, however, to see Andrew Krakouer’s name in second place when a doughnut or sub-affected score were looking like more likely results from the Collingwood mid-fwd. While Krak was the best example, there were a few others who scored well enough to ensure their price rises don’t freeze up. Gold Coast trio Danny Stanley, Josh Toy and Daniel Harris all scored around the 70 mark to give them Bes below 20 that even Cam Richardson could make. Speaking of Richardson, he was one of his VFL team’s best on the weekend, putting his name forward for a recall if a spot opens up in the North side. The Kangas’ big win doesn’t help his case, unfortunately. Finally, owners of Luke Tapscott would’ve been happy to see the Melbourne forward pick up 91 points until they realised they were given by the match review committee, not Virtual Sports. Tapscott’s free to fatten up a little longer then, with a BE of 26, but one indiscretion and he’ll be sidelined.

Two gamers

I’ve mentioned the unappealing Hutchins and Shaw already, leaving just midfield pair Sam Isles, of the Gold Coast, and Mitch Wallis, of the Western Bulldogs, in the two-game group. Both have plenty of upside, but the issue might be finding a midfielder in your team that’s cashed up enough to justify the downgrade. Suns reigning b&f winner Isles has put together palindromic scores of 47 and 74 in his first two, giving him a BE of -33, while Wallis showed the kind of ball-winning ability that had DT coaches drooling in the pre-season to gather 70 points against Collingwood after a sub-affected 10. That initial score means Wallis has a BE of -6 – quite high for a double-gamer – but once that 10 drops out of his price calculations he’ll start to really rocket. Speaking of rockets, coach Rodney Eade seems to really rate his youngsters in Libba and Wallis, indicating there’ll be plenty of opportunities for the Bulldogs pair. Isles has pretty good job security, too, you’d think, having played at AFL level before, if only fleetingly. Job security is hugely important when making a downgrade like this, as you may find the player remains on your bench, being called on to fill gaps, for the remainder of the season.

One gamers

Hibberd had his time in the Sun during the long-winded Duigan discussion above, as did Cripps. Of the other debutants from round six – Gold Coast forwards Steven May and Liam Patrick, North Melbourne forward Kieran Harper and St Kilda defender Will Johnson – only Harper really shapes as being a possible downgrade option next week. Keep your eye on his role/score this weekend and enjoy the return of league games. With every team in the land missing a Swan, Pendlebury or both, it’ll be interesting to see whether coaches bolster their midfields by choosing to prematurely chop a Harris/Libba type to bring in a Rockliffe/Redden (against GC) or Mitchell (against Port) type. It’s another big week at the DT trade table.

235 Comments

  • I already have Bartel, Selwood and Stevie J. I want to bring in Chappy but is 4 Cat premiums too many?

    • if you are going for the car, yes

      • I don’t get how going for the car this would be bad. League win then yes, having 4 players out during finals will kill you. However for total points they still only miss 1 game each, same as pretty much everyone else. If you allow a sideways trade or two you could even be in a better position.

    • Kinda in a rough spot missing out on Chap as the best forward option you can get. There are plenty of others who can replace Selwood and Bartel. No1 can replace Chappy up front.

    • Finish top 4 and win your first final.

      Then everyone in your team gets a rest, not just the Cats!

  • thinking of going duigan to thompson and pittard to redden although if pedersen gets named he looks good as a downgrade target

  • How does this sound ? Duigan > Hibberd & then Richardson > J. Riewoldt

    • I like that trade gets in a good looking cash cow and a fallen premium, if thats what you want to call j voldt, took the punt on him last round and was very happy.

  • This weeks trades:
    Duigan to Hibberd
    Richardson to Chapman

    Next weeks trades (if everything else goes to plan):
    Otten to puopolo/cripps
    d.swallow/d.harris/t.liberatore to Pendlebury

    Can’t wait for THE MAILMAN to start delivering again

    • Who dat

      • Its THE MAILMAN Albertlloyd, long time user of this site, used to go under another name, however i need to start delivering more points

  • DuiGONE, ThompsIN.

    It’s ingenius ;)

    • Why not wait and get a bottom priced rookie instead of someone who’s already gone up 50K in price?

  • But on a serious note, do people think Redden can keep up his good scores?

    • I do, the lions rate him really highly. And he tackles HEAPS, so even if he has an off night disposals wise he’s still gonna get you 80 or 90.

    • I think so.
      His DT form in the 2nd half of last season was great too, this year so far is just a continuation of that.
      Black and Rich get the 1st and 2nd tags, which leaves him and Rocky to pretty much rack up 30+ each week even if Brizzy are getting belted.
      I went Rocky over Redden at the start (toss of the coin) for this reason, plus the fact the lions play the GC TWICE and only play Collingwood ang Geelong once.

  • Was all set to go Duigan to Adcock but I’m tempted to go Higgins to Chapman instead. Is it worth being patient with Higgins or is he just going to end up doing my head in (like last year)?

    • He’s been injury prone for how many seasons in a row now?

      4?

  • going duigan to thompson this week (already have hibberd). With my other trade should i go green to fyfe or roo to fyfe? Leaning towards cutting green as roo is a proven DTer while green isn’t really although the saints are rubbish atm. Planning on bringing in chappy at a later date when his price drops a bit. Also is it too risky to get fyfe? Help would be appreciated heaps. Thanks.

    • As a pure forward as Green now is, your fortunes follow that of the team. Melbourne are ordinary at best and even against GC Green still only manage 80. If/when St Kilda get into gear, Riewoldt will be back to his best.

      No risk with Fyfe, he’s a ball magnet who escapes the oppositions attention cos it goes to Mundy first, then Hill, then Pav when he’s in the middle.

      Green –> Fyfe is probably the best bet (at least I hope it is, it’s what I did two weeks ago!)

  • AlbertLloyd, what is your dt team name ?

  • What about Luke Thompson – crows

  • Just wondering, who do you guys rate the highest out of Martin, Rocliff and Redden. And do you think its to early for them to be considered premiums? If so do you reckon they will be soon?

    • rockliff

    • I rate Martin above the other two career wise, but the pick atm would be rockliff based on him showing the same potential last year so we know his scores arent just part of a purple patch. Plus he wont get the tag unlike martin who i would think will be sat on for the remainder of the year.

    • I havn’t seen any Lions games this yr but Redden must be laying some serious tackles for a small bloke?

    • Rockliff <3

  • Upgrade Richo to Fyfe or Chappy??

  • isaac smith & paul puopolo have made thyings interesting this week

  • Who’s the best forward under 300k

  • you think what about j riewoldt

    • Stay away from j. volt hes not a top line premium. aim for pav, chappy, goodes, didak ect more consistant than jack.

  • hey need some ideas on what to do if i traded gwilt who should i get because i have enough money for all backman which person. Im thinking of getting either adcock, gibbs, shaw, carrazzo, enright or anyone cheaper need help cheers??????

  • Good Evening all.

    In the next 2 weeks i basically will be making 4 trades with 2 of them being guns. I think Chappy is a lock, but do you think its worth waiting a week and picking up someone else this week and getting him next week.
    If so who this week?

    • Is there a reason you want to wait a week?
      Chappy vs Nth Melbourne he would make a great captain choice this week with no Swan.

      • Yeah sort of. I have to trade Merret to get Chappy this week. but im thinking Merrett will score more against the Suns than Duigan.

        But then Chappy as Captain does look tasty. I do have the choice of Goddard, Gibbs, R.Murphy, Grimes, Judd, Boyd, Buddy, Nick, Goodes, Higgins, Yarran and who ever i trade in as captain.

        Just thinking Chappy wont go up by much where as most premiums that i have looked at will increase by over 10k.

  • Is it just me or do 80% of the posters seem too keen to get in a guy who has played either 0 or 1 game??

    I’m new to DT, it’s my first year, but any trade involving a 1 gamer seems pretty damn risky to me.

    Anyway, let’s focus on me now.

    I’ve been holding off on Coad, patiently waiting on a suitable replacement. I need Hibbard in my mids (Noob has all his DPP’s in the backs, none in the mids) once he’s on the bubble and picked for his 3rd game, so he’s out until next week.

    Coad to Thompson? I can’t see any other viable targets in the backs, and I’ve been super zen patient up until this point.

    20 trades and 97k in the bank.

    • It’s desperate measures because of the lack of decent downgrades for the likes of Otten Duigan.

    • Good call Craig…very good call on waiting an extra week till your prospective rookie trade-ins have played at least one, preferably two productive weeks…

      Bad call, horrible call, on not trading Coad out immediately once he sustained a LTI. That spot needed to be used early in the season to generate ca$h from juicy lil rookie cows.

      Do the Coad to L.Thompson trade, thats a no-brainer.

      Also remember, in Dreamnteam patience often not a virtue, but a curse…

      -Caro

  • Gibbs has a high BE147 should fall by $15,000 then has the bye so maybe hold on him till after the bye if you want him
    Id go enright personally, even though adcock is ripping it drummond will return this week and could affect his output. But its a flip of the coin really either enright or adcock

  • although this isnt dt related. i think the saints will be pretty spewing they dont have luke ball this year! they

    stuffed up massively with their handling of him. “he was too much of an inside player”…..pretty sure goddard

    and montag are missing someone tackling the opposition and feeding them the ball with hayes out and

    over 30 yrs old

  • Petrie to Sandi??? good idea or not?? or will petrie still rise?

    Gonna trade duigan to hibberd next week after his second game

    • petries BE is -5 keep him this week should rise about 25k

    • Petrie wil still rise in price. But he could also pump out a 50 against Geelong while Sandi pumps out 100+.
      It becomes a points vs money thing and only you can really decide whats more important for your team at this stage.

    • Good idea.

      For all we know Hibberd could go down with a season ender against the Mighty Eagles.

      • yeah not too worried about duigans BE and also wanna wait to see how hibberd goes against the mighty fighting eagles!! will probably hold out on trading petrie too, seeing how his BE is so low….

        Its just i got a itchy trade finger and have only used 2 so far….although i am going for league win and not the car!! no point trading till all my cows are nice and juicy

  • fyfe????

    • FYFE !!!!!!!

    • I have had Fyfe from the start of the season and at the moment looks to be a good decision. However, if you have waited until now to get him in, you are paying close to top dollar for someone in the midst of a purple patch and a lot more expensive than his starting price. He averaged mid 60’s last year if I remember correctly and has improved that vastly this season. If I didn’t have him, I would give more credit to a proven premium like Chapman or Goodes when looking for an upgrade. Dont get me wrong, Fyfe is good, but a couple of sub-par scores may leave owners questioning his premium quality.

    • I have two questions:

      1. Where’s the Fyfe and

      2. Gimme the Fyfe

  • i will be going duigan – hibberd next week if all goes to plan, then i can go bewick to wallis this week, giving me cash for richo – fyfe

    • do u think bewick has peaked in price??? and will he play this week?

      • Bewick has temporarily hit a road block because of his injury affected 20 something. As a lions supporter and having watched him all year he is an absolute gun and easily in our best 18. Once he is fit he will continue to pump out 70s & 80s and should rise to 250k. Need to be patient!

      • i doubt he has peaked in price but i think in his case, thanks to the new sub rule and an injury in his last game, him peaking in price is going to take too long.

        On another note would it be better to: this week go
        Bewick to wallis and duigan to thompson
        then next week liber to hibberd and tappscott ( depending on his new BE ) or richo to chapman ??? leaving me with around 200 grand to play with as i have that at the moment.

  • oi help plzzzz! trading out duigan to luke thompson and need to decide either to go
    option 1: warnock to rider

    option2: duncan/ knights to chappy

    but next week ill do the option that i dont do this week

  • sounds good but duncan looks good still wondering

  • I need some help! I want desperately to get Chappy into my team but can’t find a way to get him. My forward line is as weak as Sam Newman’s punch and it needs fixing. This is my 2nd year so still trying to work it all out. In the top 2% so pretty happy so far but could do with some ideas please! Here is my team for the week:

    DEF : Gibbs, Deledio, Enright, Goddard, Grimes, Lower, Hibberd (Duigan, Toy, Thompson)
    MID: Curnow, Boyd, Bartel, Heppel, Swallow, Harris (Swan, Pendles, Atley)
    FWD: Goodes, Knights, Darling,N. Riewoldt, Tapscott, Petrie, Matera (Didak, Pitt, Richardson)

    $227,500 in the bank

    At the moment i’m thinking of trading Duigan to Adcock, as I can’t find a good downgrade, and even if I could I’d have to trade someone who’s supposedly a premium or a someone who’s still making me some cash. I was considering jumping off Riewoldt to Chappo, but not too sure if that’s a smart idea. Can anyone see any other way I could get Chapman in, or any other ideas for me? Help is much appreciated!! cheers

    • I dropped Riewoldt for Chappers, It could be stupid, but he’s is dropping like a stone and for me I think Chappy is around his lowest now plus he just had a buy. If I didn’t get him now, I might not have got him later.

      My forward line is not as weak as yours looks though, so it wasn’t a massive change. I already have Fyfe, Buddy and Stevie J, so dropping Riewoldt wasn’t a massive gamble for me.

      Personally I think too much is put into holding on to trades. What’s worse, making a good decision now? or just burning trades for the sake of it because you got lucky with injury’s?!!

      Who’s in your Ruck? That’s where I got my cash from.

      • oh yeah, forgot about rucks, I’ve got Sandi, Ryder (who is not impressing!) and Z.Smith and Derickx. i’ve got 18 trades left

        • Tough, not much cash to be found there, Smith is probably worth holding on to as your back up.

          You’ve got a fair bit of cash anyway. Adcock is getting pricey , you might have missed the boat there.

          The Only other thing is you could downgrade Duigan to Jacobs freeing up a juicy 100,000 + and upgrade Tapscott to Chappers letting you keep big Nick. (I’m still 50/50 on Tapscott even though he is in my team also)

          Duigan has a buy soon, and looks like he might have hit his best price plus your cover at the back is not too bad.

          Or you could take the plunge and upgrade Curnow now, but that might be a waste. I can’t see anything obvious!

          Fyfe for Richardson maybe?

          • ok thanks a heap for your help!! Will look into it all when the teams come out and hopefully work out what to do!