Chook’s Rooks – Round 4

The fact that there were no league games last week tricked a few rookie DT coaches, I think. In one of my mates’ leagues, a James Hird-style DT coach (a first-year coach who’s impressed in the opening rounds after surrounding themselves with the best in the business, in this case the DT Talk Cheat Sheet) revealed on the weekend that he was thinking of trading Andrejs Everitt to Brodie Smith just before the league games resumed in round seven, thinking I guess that there’d be no price fluctuations until then. Big-time fail, Jim. Sure, players who have a bye won’t move that week, but it’s not like the rest of the DT world comes to standstill, frozen in carbonite like Hans Solo at the start of Return Of The Jedi. This error cost my inexperienced mate 62 points and $57,000 in cash. None of you are going to make a mistake as Jabba the Hutt huge as that one, but it’s a timely reminder to pay attention to your breakevens during the multi-round byes –  there ain’ t no Princess Leias to save your arse in the DT universe.

Three-or-more gamers

The first multi-bye round could’ve been disastrous to those who give a hoot about national ranking, with plenty of premos like Goddard, Riewoldt, Montagna, Boyd and Higgins benched, and rookies such as Bewick and Libba unable to help out. It wasn’t the case, though, with as many as 10 rookies (Jack Darling, David Swallow, Nick Duigan, Ed Curnow, Dyson Heppell, Brodie Smith, Andy Otten, Jayden Pitt, Jasper Pittard and Reece Conca) scoring 87 or more points to ease the loss of the Saints, Bulldogs and Lions from our line-ups. Amazingly, apart from super-rook Curnow, who’s used to pumping out huge scores by now, the rest all managed their highest score to date in round four.

Darling was particularly good, working well up the ground to earn his points instead of playing as a stay-at-home forward. We all know he can tackle by now, but it was very pleasing to see him engage in other profitable DT acts like handballing to teammates so under the pump that they had no choice but to handball directly back to him. As good as he was in round four, bench him in round five; the Eagles will join Melbourne and Sydney rookies on the sidelines this weekend. While Darling was the only rook to crack the century-mark this week, Curnow became the first $100,000 earner, rising another $46,200 after round four to take his total increase to $127,100. Perhaps surprisingly, Curnow’s Carlton teammate Duigan is the next best earner, having made more than $90,000 for his owners, just ahead of Darling. Near-80s followed by near-90s, coupled with only one prise rise thus far, has given Adelaide defender Smith and Fremantle forward Pitt bragging rights in the biggest breakeven stakes, with both looking at $40k increases this week if they maintain their solid scoring.

Where there are heroes, you’ll undoubtedly find zeroes and they came this week in the form of Jarrad Irons and Nick Lower, who were axed from Port Adelaide and Fremantle respectively. Only slightly better than those two were mid-fwd options Dion Prestia and Nathan Krakouer, who could suffer a similar fate to Lower/Irons in round five after poor showings over the weekend. While owners of those two will be contemplating trades, coaches who’ve picked up Michael Coad don’t have a choice after news that the Gold Coast defender will miss 12 weeks with a hamstring tear.

Two gamers

While last week presented us with a second-chance grab at some tasty two-game rookies – courtesy of early byes to the Gold Coast, North Melbourne and Adelaide – there’ll only be a trickle of two gamers coming through from now on. This week the kids on the verge of their first pay rise are Gold Coast pair Josh Toy (back) and Maverick Weller (midfielder), who both played in the most-recent round, as well as defenders Matthew Watson and Cameron Guthrie, def-mid Simon Buckley and midfielder Harley Bennell. The latter four will need to force their way back into their respective sides before they start accumulating cash, of course, as all of them were MIA in round four. Of the lot, Toy is the most appetising with a breakeven of -52 following scores of 53 and 75, bearing in mind the first was a sub-affected performance. Weller’s stats are a little worrying, with two sub-50 scores so far resulting in a positive breakeven already (albeit one of just 3). The injury to Coad could have a positive knock-on effect to his job security, too.

One gamers

Just the two debuts in round four, and neither of them were loin-stirring efforts, I’m afraid. Luke Thompson got a gig in Adelaide’s Showdown loss to Port, scoring about 100 points less than his namesake Scott with a 45, while fellow defender Matt Shaw played his first match for the Suns, edging his way to 34 points. Be prepared for high draft pick Jared Polec to resume this round now that Brisbane has had its first bye.

Zero gamers

Keep an eye out for def-mid option Michael Hibberd. He might get his chance this week after kicking a goal and making Bendigo’s best in the VFL on a weekend in which the AFL’s Bombers lost a couple of players to long-term leg injuries.


    • Good get, Ben!

    • Hopefully he can string some games together and downgrade before his 3rd. Loving these rookies that can be used as downgrades wallis, hibberd, callinan, mzungu, jacobs the list goes on!

    • Also Xavier Clarke is back play reserves next week……..thought he was gone for the season. While not a rook could be a good downgrade option in a few weeks


    good trade? or sideways waste?
    i think its a good trade personally as libba is actually 4k cheaper

  • Is it too late to get Brodie Smith?

    Im trading Broughton to either Smith or Adcock.

    Whats the better option thanks guys?

    • Adcock if you’re happy to go straight to a (injury prone) keeper, Smith if you want to free up some of that juicy purple cash from Greg’s insides to infuse with some other player later on down the track.

  • Astbury is dog shiiiiiiit he doesn’t go near the ball and I got sucked into his preseason form and burnt a trade. I wouldn’t compare with Bowden

    • I was obviously joking ya retard! Astbury is possibly the least “Bowden like’ defender ever to pull on a Richmond jumper!

  • hey guys – first time i’ve posted here. Long time reader – thanks DTTalk crew; this website is AWESOME and for someone who’s only pretty new to AFL it is a freakin’ godsend! Thanks!

    Anyway – got a donut in the fwds this week. Been scoring 2k plus every week and want to keep it that way. My weakspot is SUMNER (yup, my fault).

    fwds: franklin, voldN, stevie J, goodes, tapscott, darling, richardson, krak, pitt, sumner.

    With 172k in the bank, whaddy areckon about going sumner to Prestia? That 38 has me worried – chance he’ll be dropped?

    Whaddya reckon? Is bringing prestia in a bit risky or do you reckon his price will go up nicely?

    Finally – second quick queston – do ya reckon Gram’s 100+ average is going to keep up coz he’s looking pretty tasty in the backs at the moment.

    Thanks again guys

    • gold coast play on saturday so we will know their whole team. the trade looks good but just make sure prestia is named, i think he will be. all gold coast players will be up and down this year and prestia looks one of the better young players.

      gram has been guilty for being inconsistant in past years but if you get him, get him now before his price increases more.
      good luck.

      • Thanks Colonel. Appreciate it.

        I do NOT however appreciate you putting things in the chicken that make me crave it fortnightly.

    • Possibly get Matera or McKernan.
      Gram’s average is proberly going to go down to 80-90 but deffinetly KEEP!

      Hope this helps!

  • hey, might seem real silly but thinking of trading montagna (RIP) for superrook curnow. free up 200k to upgrade krak to a real premium. it looks like curnow isnt gonna fall too much lower than 90 this year, which is only te sort of outpu joey has been givin me. wereas i can gain 60 point by upgtradin krak to a stevie j or didak.even higgins….thoughts?

  • Will Fremantle’s squad be named before the Port v Gold Coast game?
    If so and Lower is only named on an extended bench I am trading him to Toy.

  • Oops, sorry about the Nathan/Andrew Krakouer thingy, the Al Smith thingy and the Luke Russell thingy.

  • Apparently I drain everybody with grabage psycho babble. Reading some of the crap being posted today i feel like Einsteine when i blog compared to most bloggers.

    Sure i was banned from DTTALK and sent to the wilderness to fight as a slave in the outer Dreamteam relms.
    However I have made my heroic return to the coloseum of DTTALK, given my second chance by the evil Commodus(Warnie)
    My followers cheered my return “Maximus Maximus Maximus” and i havent looked back with consistant positive posts(for 2 straight days)

    It feels like its all for nothing when i read some of the garbage posted today… but i will have my vengance in this life or next .. I will win DreamTeam 2011 (Maximus Maximus Maximus)

    • I think I’ll call you Kratos from now on.

    • The Good Idears haven’t really started yet. There will be some live ones going apshit once teams are announced this afternoon.

    • Hey Tkol,

      send some of ur positive posts this way.

      Iv got Krakeour, Prestia and Richardson starting on my fwd field this week and I have duffield in the backline.

      Im thinking of going duffield to toy which leaves me with 236 k in the kitty.

      This means I can upgrade krak or prestia to Didak, Higgins, Dawes or Fyfe.

      I know duffield is a premo and meant to come good but toy is avg the same as him and i would upgrade my pathetic fwd line this week in the process.

      What are your thoughts chief kratos?

      oh and backline is : gibbs, enright, duigan, hepell, goddard, duffield, Otten (grimes, stanley, lower)

      fwd: Stevie J, Buddy, N.Riewoldt, Knights, the other 3 mentioned above (Darling, Tapscott, Matera)

      21 trades left


      • @ Kenjo

        Dont trade Duffield yet as your forward line might need some urgent work once teams are out.
        Most people will share those similar rookies onfield this week so dont pull the trigger too soon.
        Ask me again when the teams come out and we’ll see whats changed in my head!

  • Yes we will see all squads before main lockout but I’m guessing only extended benches for monday/tuesday games.

  • back broughton in or not….can bring in gram if i like this week, but after this week with price changes i doubt it
    magin do something to would you

  • cheers for a good article mate, just wondering whether you or anyone could give me some tips about a rookie situation I have:
    I’ve got both Guthrie and Lower in my backline, and am wondering whether it will be worth wasting a trade to trade one of them to Josh Toy or just wait to see if they get a recall and if they don’t pick up Hibberd?

    Opinions please!!!

    • Guthrie is a long way behind in the pecking order at Geelong. He got an early game because the Cats had a few niggles at the start of the season.

    • With Suban out Lower (ave 67 including a sub) will get more game time and has scored a 98 already – I like the Guthrie to toy trade, Toy has 53 (was a sub) and 75 and g’teed game time – Guthrie will struggle to hold down a permanant roll with an ave 38

  • Is it time for the switch wilh Hille back: Ryder (b/e 131) – Sandi (b/e 105) : 50k hike
    or would you look at Cox (b/e 103) to Sandi and take the $9k gain

    • 9k gain? (Maximus Maximus Maximus)

      • i say that cause who would placed a bet at the begining of the year that Cox would be worth more than Sandi – physically its a $9k gain however overall it is a $60k saving

        • I would have and most people with half a brain would have to.

          Cox killed pre-season, has been best ruckman 2 of the past 3 years and only needed a few good games with Sandi not killing it to just a few more $ than him…

          I’m predicting Cox to be the highest averaging ruckman once again this year. Jump on the Cox train if you must.

  • Teams up for St Kilda v Brisbane:

    In – Collier, McCauley
    Out – Beams, Lester

    In – Baker, Kosi, McQualter
    Out – Clarke, Peake, Gamble

    Rest of them not available unitl tomorrow night, right?

    • True mate……
      Oh golly gosh I am tempted to trade Keeffe to McCauley he seems to be ‘the like’ under Vossie.
      Looking at making 2 trades this week, the other trade is Krakouer to Liberatore.

      So tempting…..

      • I’d hold fire on both of those options, personally.

        Keeffe will get his chance. McCauley isn’t best 21 for the Lions and will be in and out all year, so don’t get too excited about him just yet.

        And I think Krakouer is worth holding for at least one more round. If he falls short of his BE, it won’t be by much and the Libba horse has bolted… get on Wallis after a week or two instead if you really want to get a young dog with good upside. Still potential room for improvement with Krakouer (remember round one? Seems forever ago already!) so unless he’s dropped, I’ll be keeping him this week.

        • what u betting on this week housn? well this game anyways (bris v stk)

          • There’s not much on offer yet, just the one game so far. I seriously like Rockliff at $2.90 to beat Goddard and Black and will work that into the ‘risky’ multi this week.

            The thread should be up tonight or tomorrow morning, once the odds for the other games are available. Got a hell of a lot to do at work today before the long weekend, so might not be able to sit on sportingbet hitting refresh all day!

  • hey atm my team is:

    goddard, deledio, gibbs, shaw, otten, heppel, lower (grimes, duigan, toy)

    pendles, bartel, boyd, boak, libba, curnow (goodes, d.swallow, harris)

    sandi, petrie (cox, mccauley)

    n.riewoltd, fyfe, franklin, knights, prestia, krakeour, richardson (j.tippet, darling, tapscott)

    i’ve already made 3 trades and have 8k in the bank so make trades or wait until all of my cashcows ripen??


  • Does anyone know when we get to see mondays teams and if we can trade during partial lockout?
    Im a bit worried about krakouer being dropped which would give me my first donut. If his out i’ll be considering a trade to jayden pitt.

  • I have Coad which I will need to trade. I also have Heppel, Lower & Stanley.

    Would you:
    Coad > Toy
    Coad > other rookie
    Wait till he returns
    Wait and see. See if Hibberd plays down the track etc

  • I need to pick 2 out of these; Libba, Harris and Swallow to go on the field this week. Any idea who to drop ?

  • Why did Toy miss Round 3?

    • GC rotating players I guess to get expirence….they’re going to do that alot

  • Thinking of getting rid of Petrie. Doesn’t look anywhere near the player he was. Do I wait and see or do I get on the Fyfe train? He looks like a gun. Already averaging over 100 and I don’t see that slowing. What to do what to do?

  • My team for round 4:

    Gibbs, Deledio, Heppell, Duigan, Adcock, Goddard, Otten (Grimes- BYE, Lower, Swallow)

    Swan, Pendles, Bartel, Curnow, Boyd, Libba (Swallow, Harris, Hibberd)

    Sandilands, Smith (Cox- BYE, Derickx)

    Franklin, Higgins, N. Voldt, Knights, Krakouer, Prestia, Matera (Goodes- BYE, Darling- BYE, Tapscott- BYE)

    CASH LEFT $17, 100

    Made four trades already and should I continue to trade as I’m going for the FJ cruiser and any suggestions would be great.

  • anybody here

  • yooh hoor

  • Come back as the fresh prince and someone will answer you.

  • Is it possible to place a value on a good trade? E.g. if you can confidently predict it will make or save you say $150k does that justify the decision?