The Milkmen Review – Round 4

With the exception of our reliable rookie defenders, round four saw a lot of the most popular cash cows underperform. It appears to be that time of year where we can start trading out some of our rookies who have done their dash and begin conventionally downgrading and upgrading. We’ve structured the article this week a bit differently and will first look at players you may see coming in to sides in the upcoming weeks before giving advice on which cash cow rookies you can afford to bring out for these respective players.

The Next Wave

With so many rookies on the chopping block, we thought it would be wise to introduce coaches to the next wave of rookie cash cows that should be close to being selected. If any of these rookies are named in the next few coming weeks they should be good for some short-term cash generation.

Defenders:

Taylin Duman (Fremantle, $170,000) – He first got our attention when he was named as an emergency for Fremantle last week, but it was upon watching his form in the WAFL that this little-known defender from Fremantle kept our attention. He was actually drafted by Fremantle in 2016 and averaged 17 disposals at WAFL level last year. Is averaging 101 from the two games he’s played for Peel this year and was again named emergency for Fremantle this past weekend. Is close and is an exciting prospect.

Isaac Cumming (GWS, $170,000) – You may remember this man from the pre-season watchlist and just to provide fans an update he has been dominating in the NEAFL at the moment. In Round 1 he scored 105 points before backing it up with a 30 disposal effort for 120 points. Although he has been one of the strongest performers on this list, he’s actually fighting one of the hardest battles to find a spot in the best 22. Matt Buntine is also a week away from injury and is rated quite highly at the club which just makes the challenge that much harder.

Colin O’Riordan (Sydney, $170,000) – Colin is a favourite of the Milkmen heading in to the 2018 season on the back of averaging 74 for the Swans in the NEAFL. Has opened his account this year with scores of 98 and 97 so will be ready when his time finally comes at the club.

Bailey Rice (St Kilda, $170,000) – With so many issues at St Kilda, really anyone playing in the VFL becomes a viable option to get a game for the club. Bailey is another name that you may remember as he was drafted back in 2015 and still hasn’t managed to crack his debut for the club. Has been solid in both games down at Sandringham where he backed up his 67 point effort with an 80 point performance on the weekend. The injury to Roberton could open the door further.

Brody Mihocek (Collingwood, $170,000) – Although Mihocek hasn’t been tearing it up from a fantasy perspective, he has been named emergency every week so far for the Pies. For those interested he got 43 points in VFL Round 1 and 56 points over the weekend.

Mitch Hibberd (North Melbourne, $235,000) – If you don’t remember Rice and Cumming’s name then we understand, but surely by now you know who Hibberd is. If not then allow us to introduce him to you. Hibberd was a pre-season bolter for North last year and only managed four games for the club at an average of 41. It did include a score of 87 in his last proper outing for the club in 2017 before injury struck to end his season. This caused Hibberd to again be talked about in pre-season rookie circles this yearm but he is yet to play a game this season, despite being named emergency three times. On the weekend, Hibberd scored 109 points for Norths’ VFL side (thanks largely to 9 tackles) so we are sure, once again, will be talked about as potential cash cow option.

Midfielders:

Corey Lyons (Brisbane, $170,000)  – Here’s one we expect to debut very soon. The inside player that brings the grunt that the Lions just seem to be missing at the moment. With his brother doing so well down the road at Gold Coast the Lions should be hoping for similar output from Corey.  Although he is not up against the biggest bodies going around there in the NEAFL, has managed two great games that have netted 81 and 134 points. Would make our top 3 for most likely to come in out of all the names included in the next wave.

Kobe Mutch (Essendon, $170,000) – Mutch is in a very similar boat to Dylan Clark who is discussed below in the forwards. He has been dominating the first two games at reserve level with scores of 91 and 133. The problem that any Essendon player faces, is it’s actually quite a hard team to crack in to. We were actually impressed by Guelfi for finding a way in to the team.

Charlie Constable (Geelong, $200,000) – At the start of the year it looked like Constable would need a few injuries within the side to get a game. Those few injuries happened and he was still not able to get a game so we really don’t know what the kid has to do to get on the park. Looked good in the JLT and has backed it up with scores of 124 and 74 in the VFL.

Nick Shipley (GWS, $170,000) – In Round 1 of the NEAFL, Shipley had 25 touches, 13 tackles and 126 dreamteam points. In Round 2, Shipley didn’t play NEAFL as he was the emergency at the ground for GWS against Fremantle. Hasn’t put a foot wrong at the club and has plenty of attributes the selection committee will like. There’s just not too many on the chopping block at GWS at the moment.

Tom North (Fremantle, $170,000) – Tom North was actually surprisingly close to a round 1 call up at Fremantle, which is why we’ve decided to include him in this list. Although he didn’t play the first two rounds for Peel he did get a run on the weekend and had 82 points. If one of our Freo rookies do get the chop then it could be a like for like replacement.

Harrison Wigg (Gold Coast, $170,000) – Would’ve been a lock for Round 1 had he not injured his ankle and is now back playing in the NEAFL following his recovery from said injury. Looked a lot better on the weekend when  he scored 93 points from his 25 disposals. Still probably needs a couple more weeks to get everything right but should be seeing him in the side soon after that.

Ed Phillips (St Kilda, $170,000) – In a similar vein to Rice is currently on St Kilda’s list so stands a chance of getting a game. Can run all day and his two VFL games so far has seen scores of 107 and 78. Hasn’t been named in the best players yet which suggests the stats may not be telling the whole story. It is worth noting though that he has had 17 handball receives over two weeks so they do want to get the ball in to his hands.

Joe Atley (Port Adelaide, $248,000) – If only Joe had picked up the same genes from his brother Shaun and was a lot quicker, then he would be a lock for our sides. The harsh reality is that he does his best work as an inside midfielder, which Port have an abundance of at the moment.  May have missed his moment when he wasn’t named to replace SPP. Still we will keep him here so you start to remember the name as he has gone 94, 100 and 76 in the first three rounds of the SANFL.

Brayden Ainsworth (West Coast, $208,000) – Another favourite of ours who has been selected as emergency every week for the club. In his only outing for East Perth this year he scored 91.  The injury to Venables has us hoping that Ainsworth is selected as the replacement. He does still face some tough competition from other players for that spot though.

Ruckmen:

William Frampton (Port Adelaide, $170,000) – As always, the ruckmen are quite difficult to suggest who may come in soon. The reality of the situation is that for most ruckmen they are an injury away from actually being fantasy relevant but perhaps Frampton is the closest to getting a game. If Hinkley does finally decide to break the mould and choose a proper first choice ruckmen in his side then we have Frampton ahead of Hayes still. He is averaging 84 in the SANFL and doing more around the ground than Hayes in terms of disposals, marks and goals.

Just for a reference point the other key cash cow ruckmen performing well in the reserve level are Darcy Cameron (averaging 84), Marc Pittonet (scored 80 on the weekend), Brayden Crossley (scored 115 points on the weekend) and Lloyd Meek (averaged 95 since Sean Darcy went down).  Once again, these guys are just biding their time until there is a key injury at their respective clubs so don’t expect an amazing amount from them any time soon.

Not to alarm Stefan Martin owners as he looks like he is lapping up being the number one ruck owner, but Oscar McInerney has been named emergency 3 times now and is averaging 72 points in the NEAFL. Don’t feel there’s much to worry about with Oscar but wouldn’t want owners of Martin not to be familiar with his name.

Forwards:

Aidan Bonar (GWS, $250,000) – Bonar faces a similar uphill battle to Shipley and Cumming to crack in to the GWS side. He is still a name you should remember in case he pops in to the team in the coming weeks. Is built like a man already and is going at an average of 81 from two games in the NEAFL. Is one of the many potential forward options that are available as midfielders also.

Dylan Clarke (Essendon, $170,000) – Another one of said options that is also available as a midfielder. No one written about in this section comes close to doing what Clarke has been doing in the reserve level format. Clarke scored 116 during round 1 and backed it up over the weekend with a monster score of 153 in a losing side. Clarke has turned himself in to a tackling machine and would be in the 22 at most of the other clubs. If he is picked, then find a way to bring him in to your team.

Ben Ronke (Sydney, $170,000) – While we are speaking of tackling machines we may as well introduce you to Ben Ronke. Has been compared to Kieran Jack his whole career and ironically could come in to replace him at some point. Has hugged his way to scores of 92 and 109 so far in the NEAFL. Has also been on standby as emergency twice this year already.

Charlie Ballard (Gold Coast, $188,000) – Ballard was quite a skinny player that Gold Coast took on in the draft but it’s back to back scores in the 80s in the NEAFL combined with the poor performance of Gold Coast on the weekend that has excited for him. One to keep an eye out on in the coming weeks.

Lachlan Keefe (GWS, $170,000) – In a similar mould to Mihocek in that he hasn’t been scoring great at reserve level but has been named emergency every week, so has to be considered close to a call up. Hopefully he doesn’t become our downgrade option though and others from this article play first.

Paul Ahern (North Melbourne, $170,000) – Yet another of the pre-season names you may remember. Scored 121 in North’s only VFL game thus far so just putting him here so no-one forgets the name when they come across the team sheet. Will need North to lose a game or two before he is picked though.  Should mention that you can get him as a midfielder as well.

Josh Battle (St Kilda, $170,000) – Fits the proven category of being on St Kilda’s list so is a chance. Injuries to Bruce and Membrey have only increased that chance too. Didn’t perform well on the weekend but has a score of 102 from Sandringhams first round VFL game he can rely on.

Tim Smith (Melbourne, $179,000) – There was a point when Tim Smith was actually thought of as the great hope to assist Hogan up forward for Melbourne. That hasn’t eventuated just yet, but he is performing well enough in the VFL (average of 87) to suggest that he could be ready to take Fristch’s spot if required. Unfortunately for Smith, there’s also a whole bunch of other players, like Balic, who are also ready to take his spot.

Harry McKay (Carlton, $225,000) – Is clearly loved at Carlton but we put him in a similar category to Keefe. If he is named make sure you have no other choice before bringing him in to your side, as he just doesn’t have much of a fantasy game about him yet.

Patrick Wilson (Adelaide, $170,000) – We spoke about Wilson last week as a potential replacement for Liam Ryan if he is named. Just don’t know what he has to do to get named other than hope that Betts is injured, and Murphy isn’t ready to come back in. Would be safe as houses at any other club to pick up in your midfield or forward line.

Mitch Lewis (Hawthorn, $170,000) – You may have heard that you should never trust a man with two first names but if he is selected we’ll be putting full trust in to Lewis. He has backed up his solid pre season with good numbers in the VFL, which includes an 111 point effort on the weekend.

The Current Crop:

With the next crop of cash cows about to enter the system, let’s have a look at what rookies it may be time to cash out on.

Defenders:

When talking about cash cows, the defence is probably the most reliable area. Therefore, it is tough to recommend prioritising a trade in this area just yet. With Jeremy Finlayson ($352,000 BE 0) and Sam Murray ($351,000 BE -3) both averaging 76 and showing no signs of slowing down, these two can continue to be played on your field with complete confidence. Nick Coffield ($308,000 BE 11) is only two games in and already looks right at home at the level. His job security looks solid and there is no reason why he can’t go on to average 70 this season. Whilst the other regulars back there such as Tom Doedee ($337,000 BE 24), Alex Pearce ($271,000 BE 25) and Aaron Naughton ($310,000 BE 27) are only getting scores in the 50’s and are getting close to hitting max value, remember that the byes are coming up and these guys have great job security. Whilst it may be tempting to downgrade to the likes of David Mirra ($188,000 BE 6) or one of the new guys potentially coming in, we would recommend prioritising the midfield and forward line. However, if you are keen on bringing in Mirra this week, out of those top six selected rookie defenders listed above, we would recommend trading out Naughton first.

Midfielders:

It was a disappointing week from our cash cow midfielders. So much so that a few of the most highly selected rookies are now fast approaching hitting their max value. If you are one of the 45% of coaches still with Dom Barry ($275,000 BE 11), it may be time to say goodbye to him. Not only is he no longer getting a game for Port Adelaide, but he is also underperforming in the SANFl, managing just 59 points on the weekend. After Barry, Andrew Brayshaw ($317,000 BE 41), Nicholas Holman ($344,000) and Paddy Dow ($293,000) are starting to look tired and it may be getting the point where you can thank them for their service and look to move them on. Jordan Cunico ($259,000 BE -8) looks the best option to bring in as a downgrade.

Forwards:

The forward line is sure to cause a few headaches for Fantasy coaches in the upcoming weeks. Unfortunately, Daniel Venables ($245,000 BE 15) has joined Liam Ryan (323,000 BE -3) on the long-term injury list as he sustained a 10-12 week ankle injury against Gold Coast on the weekend. Bayley Fritsch ($313,000 BE 34) has put two poor weeks together and here at Milkmen headquarters, we are starting to fear for his job security. Darcy Fogarty ($273000 BE 40) is also in a very similar position. If you don’t have Willie Rioli ($210,000 BE 2), his job security is now a lock given that Venables and Ryan are out for an extended period of time. The other option is Matt Guelfi ($193,000 BE 2) who looked great for the Bombers and is still cheap.

Summary:

Obviously trade strategies will vary between each team and therefore, it is difficult to recommend specific trades without seeing your entire squad. We are happy to answer any specific questions you may have but as a general rule, you should be prioritising trading out the players who are no longer best 22, such as Dom Barry, or players who have sustained long term injuries, such as Liam Ryan and Daniel Venables. As this upcoming round feels like a bit of a turning point in the season, we will be doing a live Q&A on twitter before the Friday night game to help you with any last-minute decisions you may be facing. Be sure to follow us on Twitter as we are happy to help.

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167 Comments

  • Great review, fellas, but you missed Crowden who has the lowest BE in the comp.
    Particularly liked the Next Wave write-up.

  • Also, Cunico or Crowther (better js) to bring in to replace Barry?

  • Guys,
    Great article again.
    Which one out of Guthrie, Brayshaw, Jacobs, Holman do I trade 1st?
    Also which one for Venables? Rioli, Crowden or Guelfi?
    Currently gone Guthrie- Mirra Venables to Crowden.
    May go Brayshaw to Coffield and Venables to Guelfi now and hold Guthrie for one more week?

    • Can you do Guthrie to Coffield and Venables to Guelfi?
      Probably the best way to go about it if Brayshaw survives selection.

      • I can do that, I just feel now we have missed the boat on Coffield as he’s expensive now. That trade doesn’t give me much $$ for an upgrade next week. It will give me $90k but Coffield does look good. Crowden I would’ve thought had better JS then Guelfi, and we won’t know the make up of Essendon’s team after we’ll after lock out.
        Do you guys think Ahern gets named tonight?

  • Do I get rid of Waterman&Lloyd or Waterman&Whitfield

    • Why do you want to get rid of any of those guys?

      • There’s something to be said for getting rid of Lloyd. He’s averaged about 85 since McVeigh came into the team in Rd 15 last year, after averaging 105 from rds 1 to 14 last year (excluding the injury affected 2). 85 is probably not keeper worthy, so you could get rid of him now before his price goes lower.

        Although, he’s priced at just below 90 now anyway, so if you time it right later on (assuming he doesn’t come good), you probably won’t lose much by keeping him.

    • Don’t.
      Sideways.
      Trade.

      • Was a really great rule for DT (and SuperCoach). Is still, in general, a good rule of thumb in Fantasy, but can be bent from time to time, especially in the early rounds. It’s probably getting to the point where you want to not do it anymore though.

  • Is O’Connor a chance to get back in any time soon?

  • Jeppa can stick his wifi or is it his wivey up where the sun don’t shine because you lads haven’t missed a beat. Bravo

  • Solid work Milky Lads!!

    Any info on Timm House down at the Cattery? Listed as a FWD but has been playing down back quite well in the 2s

    • Read the summary again alan j

      • Ned?? Only Geelong player mentioned is Constable..

        • Yer i no, talking about the tactics in the summary dude. There telling u the same thing i did yesterday.

          • You’re a bizarre guy Ned.. Do you have input about House, or are you just trying to prolong a point you were trying to make yesterday??

            Also, this is literally the second line – “It appears to be that time of year where we can start trading out some of our rookies who have done their dash and begin conventionally downgrading and upgrading.”

            Downgrade rookies to generate cash so you can make upgrades elsewhere.. That’s why I took Mirra and the extra $$ as my D7 over Coffield, you didn’t, just move on already….

          • Speaking about Geelong players, how did Danger go on the weekend?
            Still a better pick than Gibbs?
            ;)
            But what would I know

          • you wait. Danger was rested for a fair while throughout the game

          • U dont no much if u think gibbs is better than danger.

          • Danger will also drop alot more cash and be at $700K in a few weeks.
            He was iced up to, would you still put him in right now?

            Would you put him in now, over Gibbs?

            Chase form, not a name

          • I know that:

            Gibbs is in fantastic form, avg 123.5 lowest score 113 highest 139

            Danger is under an injury cloud since round 1 avg 105.7, highest score 118 lowest 97 and dropping cash fast.

            It looks an obvious choice to me

          • House, another farken idiot for u to jam on ya bench with no js watsoever , good for u

          • I didn’t pick either of them, I went with Sidebumat the start of the year..

            Are you having a dig at everyone who ranked Danger ahead of Gibbs? How many Draft boards do you know of that had Gibbs as a higher pick than Danger?

            The Bacon Cup Draft had Danger at 3 and Gibbs at 20.. They also had Zerret at 2, Adams at 7, Zorko at 8, Rocky at 9, Ablett at 11, Beams at 14, Crouch at 15 and even Neale at 17, all ahead of Gibbs…

          • Danger 74 at halftime, and then rested. Lets see how gibbs goes if sloane doesnt play

          • It wasnt at you Alan J, just a little banter at Ned Kelly.
            I know Gibbs wasnt rated higher than Danger, and Danger is the better player.

            Just saying last round I rated Gibbs the better pick than Danger if someone was bringing 1 of them in, were everyone else was Danger

          • Ned, mate, you seriously need to chill out, it’s only Wednesday for f***s sake..

            I picked Mirra + extra cash over Coffield, why does that bother you so much? How is my D7 option such a big issue to you?

          • He’s winding you up Alan…. but I can’t help but think he’s right. Coffield looks the real deal to me.

          • Dont stress alan , we are just talking footy, and kingzy is just being cheeky because he knows i ate shit on danger trade

          • Danger will probably get some attention from Ebert this week, sit forward and sulk. Might spend some time on the bench due to injury. Maybe 70-90

            Gibbs will shred, 110-120. Avg 112 last year at a crap team and got most of the attention.

          • Danger will eat some oranges at half time, use them as a pretend mouth guard, swallow a pip then call an ambulance.

          • Kingzy, Good luck trying to stop Danger. Remember rocky to gibbs last year? 2.0 this week vs Swans

          • We both no he got no attention, and that shit team might roll west coast, thats the word on the street

          • Haha yea they might
            The battle of the titans this week.
            Carlton 18th vs West Coast 2nd.

            Cripps and Simpson vs the rest lol.

            Ill aiming to get Danger in round 8 vs Collingwood.
            Should be about $700K by then.

            Rocky did a number on him for sure, for the record I dont have Gibbs haha

          • Bringing in Coffield (on the bench) = Can’t afford Seedsman
            Bringin in Mirra (on the bench) = CAN afford Seedsman

            No doubt Coffield is better and has better JS, but for me the equation was simples really..

          • That was for Mr. McFartyPants

          • If Coffield would be on your bench, paying 308K seems a lot.

            Just wait to see if Mirra is named this week, he should be, then get him and Seedsman.

            If Coffield would be on the field, he is worth the cash.

            If Mirra plays well he should keep his spot for a few weeks, they obviously rate him to bring him in as a mature age.

            If you still have Hibberd dg him to Coffield you make cash and points!

          • Mirra came in for burton, mirras js is shithouse burton back this week and burgoyne next week . Bye bye mirra

          • Burgoyne play back pocket often?

          • Kingzy, that’s what I did last week to get Seedsman in..

            Ned, all reports suggest Mirra did enough to keep his spot (and make more $$ on my bench) with Burton not really staking a claim in the VFL

          • Scratch that Burton comment, I was thinking of Barry who didn’t step up after his omission.. But injuries to Rioli and Poppy help Mirra’s claim for an extra couple weeks.

          • I barrack for hawthorn,mirra is no where near best 22. Only injuries and burtons droping will keep him in. Goodluck

          • I agree he’s not, I never disputed that, or that Coffield has beter JS, but the point was to get Seedsman last week, to do which I needed a 170k DEF and Mirra was picked..

          • Why don’t you guys get a room and you can keep at it to your hearts’ content?!

  • Lot of intelligence and hard work this week from the Milko’s. Again, well done.

    Jeppa’s work, in years gone by, was an excellent guide for the Milkmen.

  • Great write up fellas, a lot of great info!

    Whats your thoughts on Tim Kelly, his scoring seems to be dropping the past 2 weeks.

    Do you think this is due to Menegola getting more MID time, and also Duncan coming back in last week?

    Is he playing more of a half forward role?

    Would it be worth going early on him, trading Holman – Guelfi to get Kelly – Seedsman?

    • Kelly still has some price rises in him so I wouldn’t be getting rid of him yet unless the person you are looking at bringing in (Seedsman) in this case will go up more in value.

      There’s no doubt that Menegola, Duncan and the eventual return of Ablett has effected his scoring. He is playing more of a half forward role indeed and we don’t see that changing in the near term.

  • I missed the boat on English, but is it worth bringing him in your forward kind for Fritsch? Or shall I focus on a Cunico for Barry type of trade?

    • I think English is probably worth too much and missed the boat.

      Def think focus on getting out Barry, Cunico looks good, but just be aware he may be a place holder for a week or two and move out when Gaz comes back.

      I think Crowden & Coffield look good in the midfield line, and if you already have both, you can use DPP to swing them into mid and bring in either Mirra, Geulfi or Rioli or keep an eye out for teams and any juicy rookies named.

  • Do I hear Jeppawho? putting his hand up to provide content to DTTalk? Are you putting yourself out there for judgement? So far my perception is you’re not the most helpful individual in Fantasy land which would be one of the main ingredients to contributing content.
    Well done Milkmen and well done Jeppa!

  • Brayshaw to Cunico or Brayshaw/Fritsch to Franmpton (English on field for crowden)? Cheers lads great review as always

  • i have goldy and i desperately want to get rid of him this week to pereferably Grundy (gawn is the other one). However, up forward my rookies are English (F5), Fritsch (F6) and Venables and Liam Ryan on the pine. With Fritsch playing on Anzac Day and sqads being announced after lockout, i need cover. Which is the best option out of Zac Langdon, Crowden, Guelfi, Rioli and Henry. I want someone that has JS and canbe trusted on the field, who is the best option?
    Also should i get rid of goldy, or double downgrade and get ready for DPP’s next week?
    Im thinking first trade – Liam Ryan to Crowden/Guelfi and Second Trade – Goldstein to Martin/Grundy or Barry to Mirra

    • As far as I am aware Langdon is still out injured, although may be a chance of being named this week or next. You’d think Rioli has good JS at least until Venables and Ryan are back, but personally, I prefer Guelfi as Rioli seems to overall score pretty poorly (although that may change with Liam Ryan out – noted he scored a 65ish this week). L Ryan to Guelfi and Goldy to Martin are exactly the two trades I am planning this week. However, based on my luck this season, you might want to do something entirely different!

      • Might be a bit risky bringing in Guelfi when the Bombers team won’t be announced before lockout imo

        • i reckon if guelfi is named on the extended bench im not gonna bite but if he named on the field im gonna jump on

          • Guelfi actually looked quite good and gave Essendon no reason to drop him. Although we saw that didn’t matter for Higgins at Richmond.
            Focus more on the ins column for Essendon and if there’s no high half forwards then he should be good for a run. Langdon is still out injured and you’d expect to return through the NEAFL.

            We prefer Guelfi over Rioli. Eagles aren’t going to win by 80 points every week.

          • Anzac Day and Anzac Eve teams – ie Bombers – will not be announced at all until Monday

  • how was cunico playing for geelong? was he predominatly forward as he had 2 goals and a behind or as a midfielder. Because if he was playing forward, i dont really think he will be that great again because geelong was destroying the saints in inside 50s and i dont think that will happen again.

    • pushing off a halfback role. He started there and ran through the contest. As play transitioned he snuck forward. The same role as what Gary Ablett was playing the 3rd qtr vs WC.

  • This article, while great and very well-researched, isn’t all that helpful right now. Would like to have seen more in-depth discussion regarding immediate downgrade targets (Guelfi, Mirra, Cunico, Crowden etc) than future prospects.

    • Have to agree. Although it’s a good write up on all the rookies I’m interested in the now not who’s available in a month.

    • Mate some of these guys will be named in the coming weeks, use this as a guide for who to downgrade to. Keep you eyes on them so if they are named you wont be scrambling late on a thursday night trying to find out about them..

      • Understood MGPT and Msam. We did speak about the timing of releasing the next wave but we thought the sooner the better as we can keep reverting back to it.

        Will go back to dealing with the immediate options next week although we did still mention the best targets for each line this week. As for the players you refer to we were not impressed with Mirras game, he looked nervous and dropped a couple of marks he should have taken. We are impressed with Mirra as a player though and hope it was a once off as he did improve as the game went on. Think the injuries will save him from losing his spot.

        Guelfi looked great and playing in a winning team has helped his job security. Understand with so many forwards out people will want to jump on but in an ideal world you can wait one more week. If he performs like he did on the weekend again he’ll be good for a few more weeks after that.

        Cunicos score was inflated due to the opposition and the injuries at the Cats. Both are going to change in the coming weeks so we are not as excited about his prospects as some others. He has been doing nothing wrong at VFL level though so looks like we have another Cats player who will be in and out of the side as the season progresses. Not the worst option.

        Crowden has the best job security out of the bunch and seems to be getting better with each game.

  • Brilliant write up, thank you boys. You are carrying on the traditions of Jeppa & Chook very very well!

    Personally i am trying to hold rookies untill they fully fatten up. (unless dropped/injured) I will fall behind a little for a few weeks but i should come out of the byes with a good side..

  • At the end of the day. No one is perfect at fantasy. Every player, every year will make mistakes. You will get the good luck break your way. You will get bad luck. Players in a rich vein of fantasy form are better than the higher rated players who are struggling in a present window. Hence the term “fallen premo”. We pick those players up cheap once bottomed out if they are worthy of picking up. Stock market trading.
    Example ATM Gibbs is better than danger fantasy wise. But danger is a better player if fully fit and going well. That’s why we buy danger once bottomed out. He will come good at some point. Sooner than later.

    No one can really predict what will happen. We all make educated guesses, but that’s all they are. …guesses. So although people do raise my eyebrow from time to time with a questionable pick. It’s not for me to slam their decision. But to offer my 2 cents and move on. There is no need to roast other people based on their choices. If they don’t want to listen. Then so be it.

  • Great article thanks guys, one question is i have Zach Guthrie in defense, can play on bench if have too, game log 84,47,62,24 he is playing Port in Port

    – break even 51 (proj 43 which is fair will only drop 2.4k)
    – will he be dropped

    should i dump him or more priority for Barry and or Venables

    I guess i answered my own question based on projected i named wont drop much so will hold and if he can get his 84 again then happy days

    keep up the good work all

  • How would you rank Guelfi, Mirra, Cunico, Crowden on JS?

  • so next question, Jordan Cunio – good JS?

    • I think not, even if he plays awesome, Gaz will be back in a couple weeks

      • A solid player who can be relied on to do his role. Only problem is Gaz does that role a little better. Not to say there won’t be other injuries at the club before Gaz comes back and more than likely Cunico won’t put his foot wrong before then.
        His score was inflated by opponent though.

  • should i be getting english on the field i nmy forward instead of hte beench, so i mean venables out english forward put on field and bring in a Frampton onto bench in ruck? no cover of course but meh

    THOUGHTS

  • mirra, crowden or cunico js and price?

    • I’ve been researching and they all look pretty good for JS. Can’t really split them in near term anyways.

      Cunico got 29 touches and 2 goals after coming in for Cockatoo, who’s out for a while with a PCL. He’s got Port away this week, but their back six is all at sea at the moment, so he could go well.

      Mirra came in for the axed Burton, I think. He got 18 touches, only 1 tackle. Hawks have yo-yo North, so hard to judge how he’ll go.

      Crowden got 15 touches and 7 tackles as a forward, no goals. Looks like Ross is giving him a good crack. Freo have yo yo yo yo Dogs, so he could kick 10, depending on which WB team turns up.

      • I’d say Mirra is most vulnerable. But really depends how they all go this week.

        • Crowden leads the dockers in pressure acts, lyon would love that shit

          • Yeah Mirra did replace Burton who turned it up in the VFL. We hope Hawks give him more than one week though as he’s got a lot of potential as a cash cow.

            Good point on Cunico but we want to see him against quality opposition against Port before passing proper judgement. Great for short term cash generation if you have nothing else to trade.

            Crowden is doing nothing wrong and out performing our expectations. Can’t see him going anywhere soon but once he is dropped will be hard for him to find his way back in.

        • As a Crows supporter, it really hurts to see ‘Port’ and ‘quality opposition’ in the same sentence.

    • FWIW Chris Scott is very high on my list of coaches not to be trusted when it comes to rookie selections (up there with Hardwick and Horse). He’s burned me in the past, so bringing in Cunico is too risky for me. Of course, he could keep his spot but I’d rather not risk wasting a trade when there are other options atm

  • Thanks for the write up Milkmen, helping everyone out heaps.

    Has there been any news on Hugh Goddard from Saints? ($170k DEF). I havent heard of any news from any sources in a long time. Is he injured?

    • He’s back playing in VFL but only had -1 on the weekend which could suggest another injury although the saints injury report doesn’t clarify. Actually performed well in Round 1 of the VFL

  • Judging by the ratio of questions to answers, I’m guessing everyone’s in the same boat as me and has no all clue what to do this week. So I’m throwing my Krakouer Bros on the barbie and naming my trade targets in order of who to trade/get in first to last:

    OUT: Injureds, Guthrie, Brayshaw, Fritsch, Holman, keep everyone else

    IN (only those that played rd4): Crowden, Cunico, Guelfi, Coffield, Rioli, Mirra, Ratugolea, Waterman, daylight, everyone else.

    Murphy is still relevant if named, as is Langdon but I think he’s got a decent injury.

    At the moment I’m going Barry > Crowden and Brayshaw > Cunico.

    Might change if some new rooks are named, eg. Wigg.

    (Already tried to post this, but it’s currently in moderation hell, so took out the swear word, apologies if it appears twice.)

  • Maybe everyone else here subscribes to assistant coach, however I dont and hence dont have break evens readily available. The most useful thing to me in terms of article structure.
    1) List of relevant rookies who have played more than 3 games, with break evens
    2) List of rookies who have played 1 or 2 games in order of break even by position (as these are trade targets)
    3) Watch list for future rookies

    They nailed no 3 today, no 1 was a bit scattered, and no 2 was barely there. Im not criticising the amount of work they are putting in at all, i just know that they would have all of the above information available that they could quickly tabulate

  • Stuart

    Should I go Murphy to Coffield or Mirra?

  • I have Venables, Liam Ryan, ZGL, and Barry all sitting on my bench, as well as Zach Guthrie, who has a BE of 51. I’m trading Venables for sure, but do I trade Ryan, ZGL or Barry instead of Guthrie? I figure I’d rather have injured players sitting there rather than Guthrie who’s about to start losing money

  • I have Venables, Liam Ryan, ZGL, and Barry all sitting on my bench, as well as Zach Guthrie, who has a BE of 51. I’m trading Venables for sure, but do I trade Ryan, ZGL or Barry instead of Guthrie? I figure I’d rather have injured players sitting there rather than Guthrie who’s about to start losing money.

  • what you think about Brayshaw to Dean Kent

  • I still can’t understand while everyone is talking of trading rookies until the teams are announced. Since you guys have crystal balls and I don’t, can you please tell me a 170k midfield newby that will make heaps of cash.
    I have to trade Barry as he is the most likely not to play, however JS problems with English, Dow, Holman and Doedee. Any rumours yet of who is not playing?

  • I’m getting in Cunico and Crowden this week. How many games can we expect from Cunico?

    I’d like at least 4 in a row to make some serious cash

  • Great article lads, appreciate the work. Personally I liked reading through the potential up and comers. if or when they get named it means we have a bit of insight into them rather than them being no names.
    One request though, I would love to see a top 5 cash cow trade targets each week for RDT and AFLF. Like what you did in the first week. Other than that keep up the top work :)

  • Great article as always. Feeling like the strategies/ rules of old just don’t cop it anymore.
    Three options this week and any advice on the rookie option (3) vs the other two. As I think with changes to fantasy and the luxury of the expansion teams has definitely twisted the way I think about planning the season and associated trades.

    1. Holman -> Seedsman (DPP) – running coffield in the midfield/ Doedee as D7
    Sicily -> Parfitt (Forward)
    2. Whitfield -> Merrett ; Brayshaw -> Seedsman
    3. Rookies – Get rid of non playing Barry and Venables, There’s just not enough cash generation in it for me to not want to take a couple of cheap fliers on Seedsman, Merrett, Parfitt

    If I go (3) than next week I should be able to get Seedsman and Merrett in for Kelly/Holman. But I want them in now. Just thinking (hoping) there will be better rookies named in the coming weeks, pretty much your ‘next wave’ list.

    Again, great article and loving the forward focus on the next wave of cash cows.

  • Hi Guys,
    Who do you think has the better job security out of D. Mirra and M. Guelfi?
    Cheers!

  • Going with …

    Barry- Merrett
    Venables- Mckay

    Makes JOM my M8 :O

  • Mckay or Rioli?

  • Will be interesting to see how Duman goes as a cheap defender option, also Mitchell Lewis, if he gets a start in the fwds.
    Apart from that, there’s not much of interest in the current teams list.

  • Trade O’connor to Mirra or one of Bray/Fritsch to Cunico/Guelfi? Great article lads

  • Milkmen,Galucci and Polhoke, Are they decent options? I’ve only heard Galuccis name before today

    • Adelaide has a very conpetitve lineup. I’m skeptical about Polhoke’s JS and feel once the omissions that made space for him this week return, he’ll be out. Admittedly I haven’t researched his SANFL stats/bio.

      • You havent researched anything, u dont even know that mirras been at hawthorn for years, and u tell blokes it doesnt matter wat their bench players score, change your photo and your name its embarrassing. Change it to shit for brains

    • Duman will score better, but I feel that Mirra has better JS. I’m a Freo supoorter and know why Ross Lying is like with playing kids vs spuds. I know Sped Kelly will disagree, but I think his tin can helmet is reatricting blood flow to his brain.

      • Probably right. I’d like to wait and see on both of them for another week.
        Take Coffield now, if you haven’t already got him.

      • Your straight up farked in the head

        • It’s ‘you’re’, not ‘your’. But seeing you never finished school, it’s understandable you don’t even know how to speak English.

          Haven’t you wanked yourself to death yet, Ned? (I’m sure no one else in their right mind would do the service for you.)

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