Fremantle AFL Fantasy Prices 2017

With each AFL Fantasy team price reveal, Peter from aflratings.com.au takes a look at five potential targets from each club.

For the most part Fremantle provided little joy in 2016 delivering premium fantasy player scores, Lachie Neale was clearly a beast but Nat Fyfe’s season ending injury in Round 5 was brutal for owners along with the playing status of Michael Barlow (Thanks #RossLife). For opponents playing the Dockers the door was clearly open to fill up the fantasy tank full of points, conceding 1,707.2pts per game Freo finished the 2016 H&A Season Ranked 18th.

The 2017 season is a fresh start for Fremantle, it is highly likely they won’t be as bad as their final 9 games in which they conceded 1,800pts or more in 6 of those games to finish off 2016. So far the Dockers appear to be in a strong position regarding the health of premium players, Nat Fyfe appears to be in a position to complete a full pre-season along with the return of Aaron Sandilands and Lachie Neale is recovering from Knee surgery but should be right to go at Round 1. There is a clear picture for optimism heading in to the 2017 H&A season, hopefully Ross can regain the faith of fantasy coaches along the way.

Here are 5 potential targets for Fremantle in 2017

Nat Fyfe (MID, $595,000)

Fyfe appeared to be on the way to an epic 2016 until his season ending leg injury in Round 5 against Carlton, in the 3 previous games prior to the injury Fyfe averaged 126.7pts which included 137pts against Nth Melbourne in Round 4. Expectations will be high that Fyfe can return to an average over 100pts in 2017, in 2015 he averaged 103.8pts for the season which included a 12 game run in which he scored 100pts or more in 11 of those games with a top score of 150pts. Unfortunately Fyfe is not being discounted for fantasy coaches in 2017, at a cheaper price he clearly would have been highly owned but now there is a clear decision to be made.

Lachie Neale (MID, $671,000)

Neale is coming off career best fantasy season in 2016, he averaged 111.1pts from a full 22 games which included a 68.2% S/R (Strike Rate) scoring 100pts or more (Top 10 AFL Rank). Despite the poor Fremantle season winning just 4 games Neale thrived in 18 losses averaging 112.7pts, the loss of Nat Fyfe seems to elevate his fantasy game as he has averaged 99.4pts with Fyfe & 112.0pts without Fyfe since Round 1 2015. Coaches will need to monitor injury news for Neale throughout the pre-season, he is currently scheduled to return to full training in early January and barring any setback should be a consideration for a roster spot at Round 1.

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Aaron Sandilands (RUC, $450,000)

Sandilands is going to be very tempting at his opening price to start the 2017 season, a rib injury in Round 3 against West Coast virtually ended his entire year playing just 3 games to finish including 90pts against the Bulldogs in Round 23. Despite his current age of 34 entering the 2017 season Sandilands has been quite durable in recent years, in 2014-15 Sandi missed just 2 of 48 games via a compulsory rest imposed by coaching staff. Sandilands is quite capable of averaging high 80’s to early 90’s over an entire season, if you are looking for value in the ruck area of the ground then he is definitely  one to consider.

David Mundy (MID, $538,000)

After scoring a 4 year season low 89.2pts in 2016 Mundy will be looking to rebound with a much improved 2017 season, the poor performing Dockers impacted on his output averaging just 84.4pts in losses compared to 106.0pts in winning games. Mundy will be 31 years of age starting the 2017 season, he has been fairly durable throughout his career although he did miss 4 games in 2016. Mundy scored 100pts or more in 5 games (27.8% S/R)  and scored his 2nd highest career score of 148pts against Sydney in Round 19, expect Mundy to improve if Fremantle can once again put together a winning season.

Cam McCarthy (FWD, $211,000)

The path for McCarthy to get to Fremantle in a trade scenario was quite a lengthy process after sitting out the 2016 season listed as a Giants player, the reward for he and fantasy coaches could be the value he brings to his new team and also the amount of cash he can generate for fantasy coaches. McCarthy debuted in 2014 playing just the 1 game, however in 2015 he played 20 games in a Giants team that was starting to develop averaging 50.0pts. McCarthy’s start to the 2015 season was definitely of interest, between Rounds 2-8 he averaged 68.8pts before falling away to average just 37.5pts in his final 12 games of that season. Selecting KPP’s is quite risky, but at quite a reduced price and knowing McCarthy will highly likely be playing each week does make him a genuine option for consideration at Round 1 2017.

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PlayerClubPos2016 Avg2016 Gms2017 Price
Neale, LachieFREMID111.1422$671000
Fyfe, NatFREMID98.65$595000
Hill, StephenFREMID90.7621$548000
Mundy, DavidFREMID89.1718$538000
Walters, MichaelFREFWD81.6422$493000
Pearce, DanyleFREMID80.1422$484000
Hughes, EthanFREDEF62.85$477000
Spurr, LeeFREDEF76.7322$463000
Crozier, HaydenFREDEF75.2516$454000
Blakely, ConnorFREMID75.1315$453000
Sandilands, AaronFRERUC55.45$450000
Sutcliffe, CameronFREDEF7319$441000
Hill, BradleyFREMID/FWD69.1118$417000
Sheridan, TommyFREDEF67.921$410000
Ibbotson, GarrickFREDEF66.2516$400000
Tucker, DarcyFREMID65.2512$394000
Bennell, HarleyFREMID/FWD00$388000
Griffin, JonathonFRERUC62.6213$378000
Weller, LachieFREFWD62.6822$378000
Kersten, ShaneFREFWD62.1217$375000
Ballantyne, HaydenFREFWD61.2520$370000
Langdon, EdFREMID/FWD61.2313$370000
Taberner, MattFREFWD6117$369000
Johnson, MichaelFREDEF66.754$361000
Collins, SamFREDEF59.3312$359000
Suban, NickFREMID57.8715$350000
Clarke, ZacFRERUC57.2313$345000
Grey, BradyFREMID702$321000
Yarran, ShaneFREFWD606$319000
Hamling, JoelFREDEF44.638$261000
Pearce, AlexFREDEF39.888$251000
Logue, GriffinFREDEF00$236000
McCarthy, CamFREFWD00$211000
Dawson, ZacFREDEF32.9418$199000
Darcy, SeanFRERUC00$176000
Cox, BrennanFREDEF/FWD00$170000
Uebergang, MatthewFREDEF/FWD00$150000
Nyhuis, RyanFREDEF00$150000
Deluca, JoshFREMID/FWD00$150000
Apeness, MichaelFREFWD30.45$150000
Balic, HarleyFREMID/FWD00$150000
Duman, TaylinFREDEF00$150000
Strnadica, LukeFRERUC/FWD00$150000
Ryan, LukeFREDEF00$150000

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40 Comments

  • Luke Ryan a no-brainer if named for round one. Lyon will be looking for someone to step into Sheridan’s role in the back six as he’s tipped to move up the ground. I like Blakely if he can work his way into the midfield rotations consistently also, but might be priced too awkwardly to be fantasy relevant.

  • how the heck does a guy who averaged 62 (from 5 games) get valued at 477k, when he’s only played 6 career games?

    • Ethan Hughes is an annoying anomaly.

      The discounting rules have changed in order to be transparent and consistent. Discounts apply to players who play less than 10 games in the form of 3% per match under 10. Miss the season is 30%, play one game is 27%, two games 24%… through to play nine games being 3% discount.

      This has in the past been applied to last season’s average.

      It has been changed – due to the ridiculous noise around Wells, Kerridge, etc’s prices (which, IMO were priced well in AF) – so that the discount is applied to the higher of the last two seasons averages. This stops for a) players being ridiculously under-priced like Wells and Kerridge would have been and b) means there aren’t too many ‘rules’ that makes it confusing.

      There will always be anomalies. It sucks, but I would prefer someone being overpriced than underpriced… and after sitting behind social media and hearing the barrage of abuse around ‘inconsistencies’ of AFL Fantasy pricing, this is a sound solution.

      FWIW, the whinging about prices last year was one of the most trivial/ridiculous things I have heard/seen. Everyone plays with the same prices… and again, IMO, the prices for blokes like Wells and Kerridge were ‘good’ and didn’t make them the gimme pick like the other two salary cap games.

      Maybe there could be tweaks to the pricing formula for guys like Hughes, but then we would be at square one again with people not understanding how it was worked out. From my experience, it’s better to have simple rules that are applied. Although, it is about 2% of the people who play that care about this stuff…

      • Priced 298k at an average of 62 in Real Dream Team hence why its a way better game than Fantasy!

        Good Luck

        • That was the game that also gave everyone two players at the start of the year that you didn’t have to think about priced well under in Kerridge and Wells. ;)

          I don’t want to argue which is better. Both games have their merits – but the way fantasy is evolving for engagement and being a unique game is a good thing.

          Complaining about how a player is priced, even if there is logical reasoning, seems petty.

          (AFL Fantasy would have copped it whatever they did… that’s how people roll!)

          • I agree it did give us 2 players at the start of the year who were under priced which allowed coaches to upgrade into other players allowing them to build a great team with limited trades. Never did I myself complain (maybe I did I cannot remember I am old) about pricing I was just stating RDT got it right when it come to pricing a player who has only 6 AFL games under his belt in 2 years.

            Does Warnie dabble in RDT.?

            Good Luck

          • I’ve retired from RDT and SC… my Fantasy (and real) life needs prioritising. AFL Fantasy Classic, my Draft leagues and DFS will rule my life in 2017.

        • I also hope that there has been some complaining in the RDT and SC circles about not discounting Beams and Fyfe…

      • Personally, I think the problems come when people look for similar prices between the 2 DT formats, and then come whinging when one is substantially higher than the other [Kerridge, Wells, Rockliff, Ablett in 2016 – Hughes, O’Meara, DSwallow in 2017] as prime examples

        I’m merely guessing about JOM (330k in RDT) and Swallow (299k in RDT), but I’d be willing to say they’ll be around 50-100k more expensive than their RDT counterparts

        This is where the issue occurs for me, in that the stats nerds (or the people that actually post here in December – or the 2% as you call them) actually try to predict these types of things, only to find that most calculations go out of the window when the pricing is released
        The blindness for predicting prices is the main irritant for me – particularly when it mainly appears to be guesswork on AFL Fantasy’s part
        ————

        With AF, they’ve set themselves up as more of a ‘hot tip’ type of trading strategy, in that you could get somebody in for a week for an immediate payoff – rather than playing a longer term picture
        It actually encourages you to be more experimental with the side, as well as think more critically about DT (one of my calls was Shaw->Docherty around the byes – would’ve gained ~250 points if you’d done that in rd14 as well as around 100k), which I wouldn’t do in RDT due to the apparent pointlessness of the trade

        I have no problems in the way that they go about it, as they’re clearly now two different formats, rather than two very similar ones as they were in 2015

        • There is structure to every single price. That’s what people want! I should actually publish the whole pricing formula at some stage (or have a listen to the #FantasyLeaks podcast).

  • Its a running AF joke..to catch out non-attenders at live draft time.

  • Any idea when we will be able to make our sides?

  • Don’t know why AF all of a sudden decided they needed to make players more expensive than they should be. It had always been a popular game for years, why mess with the fabric of the game. For years we had a couple of players that were under priced for some reason or another and then AF decided to be the fun police, it was still a hard game regardless. Just because some players were no brainers and teams were slightly similar didn’t mean it necessarily made it easier. It made it harder to find that point of difference and kept a lot more people interested for the entire year.

    • Issues with pricing is a complete overreaction by the hardcore coaches in the community.

      Players are still discounted… the tweaking of it has to do with how the game has evolved. Eg. to do with the two trades (and three in bye rounds), the politics involved with making the game unique, etc.

      Anyway, as coaches, we need to evolve as well! Get that glass half full.

      (I’m having more fun with the game as it is… as my girlfriend says “there are only so many times you can play monopoly” – embrace the challenge.)

  • I should point out that when I say hard game I mean in regards to winning the competition.

  • The reason you’re having more fun is probably because you have a say in how it evolves. Why does it need to evolve? It was awesome how it was, if it aint broke …. With respect, Warnie is one person, the hardcore coaches in the community are many.

    • Warnie i loved the pricing of Kerridge/Wells last year. Many started with them still at that price the guy who finished 6th overall didnt. Both turned out excellent picks.

      Ideally you want every player to almost be a 50/50 on whether to pick them which is what Fantasy does better than RDT.

      The thing i didnt like was the seeminglessly scattergun approach of pricing to Omeara, B.Crouch, Thomas, Gazza ect last year but that has been rectified and explained this year. I love the new formula and thought applied to pricing.

      One question off topic. Will round 9 (Port and Suns bye) be an option to be voided for leagues next year? I hope that option is available

    • The game changed when another company took over and the old game became RDT.

      If things stayed the same there would be 2 identical games run by 2 seperate companies.

      Anyone company with one blues clue wouldnt want thia and would want to differentiate to capture a greater audience and have many people play both games. Which a lot do.

      To get that differentiation in games one company introduce greater amount of trades and a greater amount of injuries, team changes and resting occured as years went on. With the increased trades it became to easy to have similar teams with guys so cheap. Really you want to create as much diversity in teams as possible thats what the new peicing and extra trading does with this game.

      There arent many guys who are that over priced then what they should be anyway.

      I would like to know what makes a player to be considered a rolls royce though?

      • I’d say that a player being a rolls royce would be them being ridiculously priced compared to their output

        2016 Kerridge, 2016 Wells, 2016 D Thomas, 2016 Liberatore, 2017 O’Meara, 2017 Swallow, 2017 Sandilands (in DT) being prime examples – they’re basically autopicks at their prices

        I personally applaud what AF are doing, as it doesn’t make them certainties to be picked (you can go without them, but 95% of teams within the top 2000 will start with them if they’re named rd1)

        AF putting Sandilands at the 450k mark makes him a “hmmm…. do I want to?” rather than a “Yep, in he goes at R2” as he is in RDT (where his price is 295k)

      • Rolls Royce – We discussed having a rule (ie. Someone who averaged more than 100 in the past?) but it was hard. There has to be some discretion there. We gave it a name to have some fun. What is interesting is that SC and RDT didn’t discount Fyfe and Beams this year.

        • Thanks Warnie. Will Round 9 (Gold coast and Port Bye round) have the option to be voided as a head to head matchup for leagues ?

          Or is that yet to be determined?

          Id like to see it as an option either way

          • I’m not sure – leave it with me. I would prefer the option (considering it is being treated as a normal round with trading and full 22 counting)… if it isn’t, then there has to be plenty in our thinking around that.

      • And Mike (+ Adam), nice to see that people are ‘getting it’… often it is the noisiest people who are listened to the most.

        Forum20 – I am a hardcore coach. I am also a coach that doesn’t fear change and knows that the game needs to be different to be relevant. Already RDT and SC are the same game, just different scoring. Those hardcore are 2% (or whatever figure we want to give them)… there are thousands of people playing this game. I hope that it can cater for everyone!

        IMO, a lot have given up on AF (of the hardcores) because they aren’t willing to learn the new system and how to be good at it. Just happy to keep playing the same old way!

        In that though, people can play what they want and people will have their respective preference. Most play multiple forms of the game and embrace the different challenges they face.

        • AFL Fantasy is still my favourite fantasy platform.

          It’s not just that people fear change, though they undoubtedly do. It’s also that they genuinely believe (often on an unconscious level) that when you’ve been doing something a particular way for some time, it must be a good way to do things. And the longer you’ve been doing it that way, the better it is.

          So change isn’t simply about embracing something unknown — it’s about giving up something old (and therefore good) for something new (and therefore not good).

  • I agree with some instances of the way they are going about it but in some cases players that are not cheap already are priced way over what they should be for an injury prone/inconsistent player. They become invalid, you’re not going to make any viable coin on them so you are basically putting them in as keepers. You may as well remove them from the competition.

    • Remember that there are two trades every week in AFL Fantasy Classic, the other competitions are limited to 30 (more than 50% extra trades in AF).

      Also, I think people need to get away from thinking they have to have a ‘complete’ team. All this does is creates less diversity in teams.

    • Like which players though for this year?

      You not going to pick D.Swallow,Beams, Fyfe, Jaegar? Many people will some wont which shows they have the pricing right. The pricing isnt right when a player ia being picked by 70% teams like RDT with Wells, Kerridge ect last year

  • yo warnie, when does the drawing board open?

    cheers!

    p.s. agree with your evolving pricing sentiments. a lot of “hardcore” coaches are wowsers.

  • Why is Sandliands not priced at average of 55? But on GC Fiorni is priced ridiculously high after 2 games?

    AFL fantasy has lost the plot!

    • You clearly haven’t been listening, toad. (Nice name, BTW).

      Sandilands is discounted based on his 2015 average – this is to avoid underpricing players like Wells, Kerridge that those other games did last year.

      The rule is: a player will receive a 3% discount for games played under 10 and will be applied to the higher of the last two season averages.

  • meh, pricing schmicing. everyone pays same price either way so no one gets a head start.

    will be good to see some POD’s this year

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