Chook’s Rooks – Round 11

Laying prone in the dentist’s chair yesterday, I was struck by the similarities between the multi-bye rounds and painful oral surgery. Let’s face it, these byes are as much fun as the dentist’s drill, they suck more than the dental assistant’s mini mouth vacuum and bite as hard as is humanely possible.

When the chiselling was over and the dentist asked if I’d been looking after my not-so-pearly-white pegs, I had to admit to having eaten a truckload of doughnuts over the weekend. She frowned but I said to expect plenty more over the next two weeks.

At least at the end of this dental work in a fortnight’s time, I’ll have a new golden crown. At the end of the MBRs all I’ll be wearing is a dunce’s hat.

The MBR pain has been brought about by faltering premiums, late withdrawals and injuries, but what about our rookies? What part have they played in this train wreck? Let’s have a look…

Three-or-more gamers

A lot of coaches have held a long-term plan to dump Melbourne midfielder James Magner this week, his bye round, for a rookie or premium who had theirs in round 11. Magner did nothing to convince those coaches to keep him around for a little longer when he burped up his lowest score this season (45) and dropped nearly $11,700 in the process. A lack of desirable downgrades could be Magner’s saviour, although the way coaches cashed up before the MBRs began suggests he’ll become Boyd/Thompson/Rockliff/Redden/Priddis rather than a rookie.

Aspiring to be like Aaron Sandilands is a fine goal for up-and-coming rucks, but following his lead by donning the red substitute’s vest is taking it a step to far. In one of the rare weeks that they actually made any Dream Team’s starting line-up, Geelong’s Orren Stephenson contributed a paltry 26 before being vested, while Port Adelaide big Jarrad Redden managed 38 before suffering the same fate.

Magner and the rucks weren’t the only ones letting Team Rookie down, though. The absence of all those emerging superstars from Greater Western Sydney (a snapshot of DT in 2013, I’m afraid) meant there was a dearth of high scores in the rookie ranks. Most weeks we have anywhere from three-to-six GWS kids in the top 10 rookie scorers, with 90s and 80s not uncommon, but this week only one three-or-more gamer managed to score above 70 – a 108 to St Kilda forward Arryn Siposs, and he’s owned by just 3000 coaches. After that it was a big drop to the 60-point scorers, like fellow St Kilda forwards Ahmed Saad and Terry Milera, Gold Coast duo Aaron Hall and Karmichael Hunt, Collingwood pair Jamie Elliott and Nathan Brown, and Richmond defender Brandon Ellis.

But, hey, 60 points was Gary Ablettesque is round 11, and at least they played. After the most astoundingly awesome start to a Dream Team career ever, Gold Coast midfielder Kyal Horsley completed the transformation to boiled lollies by following his round-9 52 and round-10 38 with a round-11 DNP (coach’s decision). Geelong def-fwd Billie Smedts has got to get a mention for going AWOL too, although his owners probably didn’t massively miss his usually meagre contribution that much.

The good news is that some of our strongest scorers return this week, with the likes of Brisbane mid-fwd Dayne Zorko and GWS posse Toby Greene, Jon Giles, James McDonald and Adam Treloar back from their bye. In fact, assuming that Horsley was just rested for a week, eight of the top 10 averaging rookies will be available in round 12. It would’ve been nine, but Stephen Coniglio is out while he recovers from thumb surgery, in case you missed it.

Two gamers

I still can’t help being pissed off at Dayne Zorko and Sam Darley, or, more specifically, their real-world coaches. If Brisbane had held Zorko back a fortnight, and GWS had done the same to Darley, we’d have two outstanding downgrade targets knocking down the door to our Dream Teams this week. Instead, our only options in the two-game bracket are:

Bye served

  • Adelaide defender Sam Shaw ($104,200) 59 in round 4, 78 in round 10
  • North Melbourne forward Aaron Black ($150,400) 55 in round 9, 41 in round 10
  • Western Bulldogs mid Daniel Pearce ($98,700) 36 in round 9, 6 in round 10
  • West Coast midfielder Koby Stevens ($104,200) 83 in round 3, 28 in round 8

Bye to come

  • Port Adelaide defender Andrew Moore ($153,300) 6 in round 10, 82 in round 11
  • Fremantle mid-fwd Hayden Crozier ($98,700) 16 in round 10, 42 in round 11

 

There are others who’ve played two, but none that recently or that well that they inspire much confidence. Of the above bunch, Shaw is the only one that has me a little bit tempted. He’s shown he has decent scoring potential, and only lost his spot in Adelaide’s team in round five due to injury. Having said that, the Crows are a far more competitive outfit this season and there’ll be pressure on his place at some point, perhaps from Andy Otten or Ricky Henderson. Stevens has undoubted scoring power, but will likely be in and out a few more times this season before he wins a more permanent spot in the Eagles’ line-up. Of course, both Shaw and Stevens may not even be among the 22 named by their respective clubs this week, so, as always, keep an eye on the team sheets.

One gamers

Unless I missed something while sunning myself in Queensland last week, there was just the one debut in round 11, made by Richmond’s Brett O’Hanlon. The mid-sized forward started with the green vest, (surprise, surprise), before racing to 32 points in the final quarter. The fact that the official Richmond web site says he’ll “take time to develop” is a tad off-putting, but I’m prepared to consider him once he’s had his bye in round 13. The other one gamers to contemplate are, of course, those who debuted before their break. That list is one name long, too, unfortunately, consisting only of GWS mid-fwd Nick Haynes, whose $150k price tag makes him pretty unappealing. He missed round 10, but if he returns this week and you’re desperate for a midfield downgrade, I’d very cautiously consider Brisbane’s Elliott Yeo.

Zero gamers

I don’t often mention those yet to get a game as it makes sense to window shop them for two games whenever possible, but these doughnut-dodging bye rounds call for a little bending of the rules, especially when the aforementioned downgrade options are so unappetising. There’s not much point in nabbing Sydney’s Tom Mitchell this week, seeing as he still has his bye to come, but consider the likes of Kangaroos pair Sam Gibson and Will Sierakowski, or GWS mid Stephen Clifton if they’re named tomorrow. Giants forward Jon Patton looks set to make his debut, but his starting point of $179,700 is pretty repulsive and the scoring consistency of young key position players is notoriously erratic.

A special shout-out to all the coaches competing in the DT Talk Chook league this year, especially my opponent last week, Heath’s In-vincibles, who finished within the top few hundred places with a massive 1835. Sorry I’m not exactly pulling my weight over there, gang.

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103 Comments

  • Nice article Chook.
    Like everyone, i’m desperate for some good downgrade options to complete the team. These need to be guys who’ll cover any outs for the rest of the year and none are making me confident they’ll be able to do that.
    I’ve been forced to rid my team of Spurr who’s gone missing and doesn’t ever look like returning. Shaw is the only viable option.
    Like you say, get used to it caus it’s how it will be from next year on.

  • great article again chook. Cant upgrade magner (not enough $$$) but then if i downgrade i will only have 7 trades for rd 13. But i could:
    1. Upgrade magner to a mid-pricer
    2. Reverse my trades, not bring in birchall but downgrade to darley to free up some cash to buy a premium.
    3. Downgrade magner to ??? to free up cash for next week to get swannie
    4. No trades

    Leaning towards option 2.
    what do you guys think

  • Great article as always Chook.

    If Sam Shaw’s JS is worrying you, read this by Brenton Sanderson on his inclusion ahead of his second game:

    “The unlucky one is ‘Hendo’. He hasn’t really done much wrong, but we wanted to get ‘Shawy’ back in. As we saw, Sam was fantastic against Greater Western Sydney but then had a little injury setback with his hamstring, and we didn’t want to risk him.

    With Freo’s forward set-up, Shawy gives us the flexibility of another really good defender. We really like him as a player and he makes us look really settled back there.”

  • need to trade but who:
    GREEN, CONIGLIO, OR HORSELY?

    • you’d have to get rid of conigs this week, horse might play, greene should, but conigs has a broken hand or something

  • The only dilemma with Sam Shaw is that I’ve already got Darley and Spurr in so I don’t want another back rookie with questionable JS. Should I:

    1. Trade out Spurr for Shaw for a profit of only $30k
    2. Trade out Marty Clarke for profit of $200k but lose a potential keeper (not ideal)
    3. Don’t trade, miss out on probably the best downgrade in a while but save a trade

    • Right now i think option 3 in my point of view from here i only got 7 trades so i’m only upgrading or bringing in keepers. Although i would be good to downgrade clarke to free up sme cash to upgrade. thats the only reason i am downgrading clarke to sam shaw.

      • for me clarke will become shaw (sam) and magner is turning back from a pumpkin into boyd

    • Maybe trade Clarke out for Shaw then hopefully Darly gets a few more games before Carazzo returns so his price goes up then Trade out Darley for Carrazzo?

    • Clarke isn’t a premium. You’d only want him on your field if you didn’t have enough cash and trades left to get someone a fair bit better in.

  • Good article,

    I’m thinking of trading Morris to shaw.which will leave me $350 000 in the bank for round 13 when i’ll upgrade Hall and Sexton

  • Great article chooky – thanks.

    I’m thinking Morris > Shaw aswell, probably turn Ellis into something nice a few rounds later.

    But what to do about McDonald of GWS?
    He’s just not giving me any cover at all as when I need the bugger he’s not playing….
    Who should I look to for a downgrade to make the cash?

    • mitchell or gibson might show themselves in the next few weeks.. one of them will be the goods!

  • A no gamer that I am looking at is Morabito from Freo. Has played a couple of games in the wafl and is very highly thought of. Costs 168k but could prove to be great bench cover when the resting chaos happens at the end of the year. Just a thought.

    • Was thinking the exact same thing.

      McDonald to Morabito will only give you $140k in cash, but very good bench cover.

    • Too expensive.

      I like the sounds of this Kangaroos guy though.

    • yep, he’s almost a shoo-in for my team. Has been building match fitness in the WAFl, and will likely be an automatic selection in the midfield after the bye. Permanent bech cover for only $168K, you’d be crazy to pass him up.

  • Beautiful morning read chook. I’m trying to upgrade Horsley but I don’t know who to pick out of the premo’s Watson, Stanton or Thompson.. Any advice?

    • I would choose Thompson (I presume you mean the Crows player).
      . Bye already done
      . I like Adelaide’s draw better than Essendon’s in round 20-23 when the DT finals are held.
      I actually like Dangerfield better still though

    • I rate Watson. Get him in for sure

      • +1

        Watson will be top 3 by end of season. Wish I had have gone him instead of getting sucked in by Stanton’s 190 ages ago.

  • whoi isthe best downgrade option for my forward line

  • Who is the best downgrade option for my forward line

  • Great read Chook!

    Not sure if you missed the Hawks game but there was a young bloke that came on as sub and scored 57 points in the last qtr. Even though he prob shouldn’t be traded in, thought he deserved a mentioned.

    • *mention – bloody auto correct!

    • Iffy Js but did show abit.

      • i was at the game and seen clarky crack a rye smile when he kicked his first goal :P…think he might have a soft spot for him haha

    • Can’t see him escaping the substitute vest – all his games his played so far he has worn the green vest.

  • Great Stuff Chook.
    Not alot of quality options getting around atm but I’ll have to seriously think of Sam Shaw.
    Probably for Clarke…

  • When the Hell is TOM COUCH going to get a call-up. Mark Neeld must know they aren’t going to play finals so they may as well play young guys who will develop into elite players!

  • What are your thoughts on Danny Stanley from GC.
    He is a FWD priced 400K and has an average of 100 after 4 games

    • Not convinced the Suns actually know what they’re doing. Even if he avoids injury, will the Suns just “rest” him as they did Horesly. They must be trying to keep their players fresh in case they make a late rush to the Grand Final. If they focus on the kids then they might knife him. If they actually want a good, experienced trier and try to win a game then they won’t knife him.

      “Do you feel lucky?…”

    • There’s no luck with picking Danny Stanley..he is a gun and should keep up that average all year.. he’ll play every week as well. He is a perfect FD7 in every way and great pickup. If you remember last year at the end of the season he really started to dominate and is picking up from where he left off now.

      Unique as well because he’s averaging 5 points below the big-name premiums so not many people “scroll down” far enough to see that he’s actually a gun. And probably more consistent than many of them as he’s playing in a young side.

      • +1

      • for 20k more you can get kade simpson who is a bees preverbial away from being an ultra premo, has zero job security concerns, has bottomed out in price and should increase his scoring due to the abscence of murphy. Is also quite unique.

  • Def: Goddard, Delidio, Heppell, Birchall, Waters, Hargrave, Ellis (Bootsma, Darley)

    Mid: Pendles, Boyd, Ablett, Thompson, Mitchell, Swan (Shiel, Zorko)

    Ruc: Sandi, Giles (Stephenson,Redden)

    Fwd: Sidey, Buddy, Robinson, Zaharakis, Martin, Sexton, Dangerfield (Hall, Trealor)

    38,000 in the bank 8 trades left

    Any ideas on players or trades I could do next???
    I have been unlucky with Sandi/Zaha but should I hold or trade and to who??

    • And Pendles too! You also have so many r13 bye players.

      Sandi is surely a trade out but I’m not sure who comes in and is sure to stay fit; rucks have been dropping like flies. Perhaps Cox or NicNat. Pendles surely is not too far away.. As to Zaha, how are you placed in your leagues for the remaining byes? If you are unlikely to win and with precious few trades left, is it better to put up the shutters and open them again for round 14?

      • I’ve surely won my games the next 4 weeks

      • If you can wait 4 weeks, only trade a ruck man and still win then well done. Blythe Pendles will be back and possibly Zaharakis too.

        After the byes, you will have a lot of value on you mid bench. Could you look at a double trade with Zorko or Shiel and turn a Martin into a Dayne Beams?

      • Roughy he is going well

    • R14 I would look at possibly trading Shiel for Morabito (when he gets named) and upgrade Ellis to Carrazo

  • What about Anthony miles? Why no mention? Is he injured or something?

    • he has been injured but he’ll be available for selection from this round/next round onwards.. he’ll score highly when he plays but JS is definitely a worry

  • Just throwing a question out there…..what are the odds of sam gibson been named????, ive heard he is chopping up in the VAFL, but given the poor form of the Kangaroo’s.

    Also any news of Tom Couch in the VAFL?

    Besides Patton are there any other potiential decent draft players to come in this year?

  • I like the look of Hill from Hawthorn although his js is not strong. I need to trade out Sandilands and my two options are Cox or Goldstein although I’m concerned when Hmac returnd Goldie’s output will decrease significantly. Any thoughts?

    • Go Cox over Goldstein.. he is a proven premium playing well

      avoid Hill.. he’s like Cyril Rioli in the way he plays, but not as good, and will have lots of super-quiet matches in-between the rare big score.

    • Jonathon Griffin $350,100 would be number 1 ruckman if Sandilands wasn’t @ Freo

  • i need some cash and thinking of trading out the big o.. anyone know of any ruck rookies that may possibly get games in the near future? and cheap as well

    • if your after cash there are better ways to get it than trading Stephenson out

    • If you’ve got 2 reliable starters, Redden should be enough cover, you probably wont need him anyway.

      Just downgrade to a basement price rookie if you must.

  • dont think its worth it? i surely cant be the only person thinking about this trade haha..

    • I was thinking of the same trade mate cant find anyone viable tho

      • as it stands, ive got rid of big o and redden and upgraded to boyd, im thinking screw the rucks, im not going to put an emergency on em ever, hope the two pillars dont go down. but I’ll have trades saved for them if they do, come finals.

        • yeah exactly.. i just want the cash to upgrade as i dont have many other rookies to cash in. do you reckon big o will get many more games anyway?

  • The GWS injury list has been updated, clifton is still named as 2 – 3 weeks so seems unlikely to play.

    http://www.gwsgiants.com.au/patton-to-debut-for-giants.html

  • Ok i need help guys… Average score for me is 2050.. I have to trade Zara he is out and iam thinking stanton.. bring in Ablett or Swan.. My Mids are Hayes Stanton boyd mitchell Kennedy[swans] Robinson… Thoughts

  • Sam Gibson from Norf just got elevated ohh yeah

    • Awesome hey, gonna be a decent bargain. I wouldn’t let his scores in the 2’s put you off, he was heavily tagged for most of the year which speaks volumes of his game :)

  • Guys check out ’30BananasADay’ possibly the best team in the comp.
    If you want to get 2500+ every week just make your team exactly like mine.

    Reply to this comment with any DT questions you have and I will happily give some advice.

    Cheers guys

    • Ive got a question

      how does it feel to be ranked 147k…..

      • I have a question as well Oh Great One!

        Cory Dell’olio???

        So to have the best team in the comp one must abide by the Golden Formula – Cory Dell’olio > Dayne Beams. Is this true?

        • ^^ This question was intended for RyanC ^^

        • Cory Dellolio is somewhat of a dark horse. Having only scored around 100 points for the season has kept him off the DT radar, but I have high hopes he will break into some premium form in the near future. A spot on the team at Essendon is the only thing stopping him from bringing in some serious points.

          Thanks for the questions guys, Keep them coming!

          • Cheers for making me laugh!!

            The comment “A spot on the team at Essendon is the only thing stopping him from bringing in some serious points.” has to be right up there with one of the best of the year.

          • at 51 i reckon a spot in the team at Carlton is the only thing stopping me from racking up some big points

  • If Swan contests and loses is there a chance he’ll be suspended or will he just carry more points over?

    Don’t know what they’re getting their panties in a twist over! It was nothing!

    • If he contests and loses then he will have 60 carry over points instead of the 45 by pleading guilty early.

      • Sweet – if he was gone I was gonna pack my bags and head off to a Tibetan Monestry and take up a 40 year vow of silence!!!

      • + will not be eligible for the brownlow if found guilty

  • Cory Dell’olio = must have, up and coming forward?
    thoughts?

  • tempted to get gibson this week. high risk, high reward? :P

    • i would definetly wait till next week..perhaps go Horsley > Gibson then

    • I’m getting him this week. Mature rooky in the midfield. He will kill it.

      Im getting rid of Horsley and Magner, the stale c*nts. Bringing in Boyd and Gibson.

      Get on board!

  • Glad i didn’t rage trade J. Grimes early, his finally starting to fire with an average of 99 for the past month.

    scores 95, 90, 97, 114

    • My biggest mistake of the year was trading out Grimes for Goddard. Cost me $140k for no gain in scores and possibly a loss over the season.

  • I watched the Foxtel cup last weekend- no way I could risk it with Gibson….will wait until he plays 2 games.

    Tossing up b/w Boyd & Sam Shaw vs Priddis & Hanley/Adcock.

  • Using these trades this week:
    Didak -> Croizer (yes he’s got bye but need cash)
    Magner -> Redden (his last 5 scores are 120+ think. BE 80)
    Clarke -> Shaw (free up cash for next week)

    That leaves me with $344,700 to upgrade my mids with next week. Next weeks trades:
    Greene -> Watson (Consistant prividing not getting tagged)
    Horsely -> Swannie (Absolute must)
    Conigs -> ??? (Cheapie maybe couch or gibson)

    After this weeks and next weeks trades I stop trading till week B4 finals then work out my finals team. Unless there is a big injury like didaks or Hmacs any injury over 6 weeks is to be traded. I wont trade even if patton gets 130+ this week, 120+ the next then 205 the week after…..well maybe but like thats gonna happen!