Fremantle Intra-Club Report – 10th Feb 2012

When – Friday 10th February

Where – Subiaco Oval

Before the Bounce

Straw – Ever since the Dockers became the biggest story of the AFL finals by knifing Mark Harvey in the back I have been looking forward to season 2012.  I was so excited to have a REAL coach take the helm I considered driving to Harves’ abode with one of my kitchen knives to add to the ones Ross Lyon and the FFC board had already jammed in there.  While the intra-club games are akin to touch football it’s an exciting opportunity to see what plans Lyon has up his sleeve for the new season.  Attending with an Eagles supporter should make for an interesting evening.  Interesting notes as of the first bounce are Ballantyne starting in the mids along with Fyfe, Pav deep inside forward 50 and Sandilands taking on a WAFL midget in the ruck.  Hopefully we all look awesome out on the track so DS will be scared into keeping his mouth shut until at least after the first Derby.  Please boys don’t let me down in front of this guy!

DS and I are going to try to focus on the DT relevant players but will see if anyone else grabs our attention.  We’ve divided the players and I’m concentrating on the Purple lads Fyfe, Barlow, Neale and Spurr.

DS I was disappointed to read that the only REAL Western Australian AFL team weren’t going to have an intra club game before the NAB Cup kicks off this season. This meant that if I was going to do any game day DT research  in an attempt to better my overall DT ranking from last year of 459th, Id have to go watch the Purple F*ckers. So I got my vaccinations (Purple Cooties is this countries 2nd biggest health problem behind Man Flu), donned my Hazmat suit and headed down to Subi with my friend and fellow DT Talk tragic Straw(Docker supporter), to check out how the players are going and what changes Ross Lyon has made to the structure and game plan. At the ground I did suggest we pop into the Fremantle Team Store and ask the friendly staff to direct us to the premiership memorabilia section, but the look on Straw’s face made it very clear that wasn’t a good idea.

Players I watched – Pavlich, Broughton, Duffield, Ballantyne.

*Please note: we did our best trying to get the stats but we’re not Champion Data guys so I’m sure we missed a few, especially with the midfield guys. These stats are very close but 100%*

Pavlich

6 kicks, 1 handball, 7 marks, 0 goals(41 DT pts)

DS – I was really interested in seeing if Pav would play the “Riewoldt role” in Lyons Dockers, and he did for the most part. He started deep and came up around the centre a few times on long leads, and then pushed back hard inside 50 to present again. He stay deep 80% of the time tho, and didn’t get many marks up around the flanks 2 or 3 kicks from goal which worried me a bit. He sat out the last quarter but he wasn’t hurt. They were obviously just giving the champ a rest.

Straw – Spent most of the night in the forward 50 and didn’t really roam up the ground too often.  Took an early shower after 3 quarter time.  Nothing great from a DT perspective but early days.  A pre-season scratchy is a bit beneath him so can’t take much from his performance.  Looked fit and if I swung that way I’d totally hit that.

Barlow

5 kicks, 7 handballs, 1 mark (32 DT pts)

Straw – From the second my DT preseason tinkering started this guy was in my team.  Well under-priced from what we have seen in the past.  I spent a lot of the game focusing on him.  He played all 4 quarters in the middle which was encouraging.  As far as possessions go he picked up between 10-15 touches.  I probably missed some of his stats while I was making goo goo eyes at Lachie Neale so he most likely picked up a few more touches.  Didn’t really impact the game and seemed to be playing a more accountable game than we’re used to.  Accountability is the bane of DT performance, he’s now only got one foot in my team…

DS – I gotta say a couple of alarm bells were going off tonight and we watched him very closely. What I saw combined with a few of his comments near the start of this article is starting to make me think he isn’t as big a lock as some are saying.

ARTICLE: Docker Barlow has unfinished business.

FYFE

12 kicks, 6 handballs, 1 mark, 1 behind (52 DT pts)

Straw – For me he was best on ground (photo finish with Ballas).  Due to the delayed pre-season I was never going to start with him but I may have to reconsider.  Killed the first half with probably around 15 touches (mostly kicks!!).  He faded a little in the second half though.  Still got a bit of it.  The main things I noticed were that he spent the entire game in the middle, no moves forward or to the wing.  He was also one of the few (if not only) guys that were being forced to take a breather towards the middle of the quarter and again towards the end.  At one point one of the fitness staff was yelling at him to come off and he was waving them off so that he didn’t break the zone for the kick in.  Eventually they sent his replacement on before he’d leave the ground (somehow we got away with the interchange infringement).  He was always an upgrade target for me but now I may have to look at squeezing him into my starting side.  Has a hippy haircut which pissed DS off so I enjoyed his game even more.

DS – I had him down as an upgrade target later in the season because of his limited pre season due to his groin and shoulder injuries. I’ll have to rethink that now.

Broughton

8 kicks, 5 handballs, 2 marks(40 DT pts)

DS – Ok……if you’ve ever had Broughton in your team then this part is either going to make you laugh or cry! In the first half he played deep in defence on a lockdown role on Mayne. Had 1 kick and 1 handball and never saw much of it even when they were” switching” the ball in defence.

In the second half he literally changed jumpers (I kid you not, he went from 6 to 45) and started in the midfield (inside square for bounces) and racked up quite a few possessions. His number change threw us off a bit, since we initially thought he must have been taken out at half time, so we missed most of his stats in the 3rd quarter, but from late in the 3rd till the end of the game he racked up 7 kicks, 4 handballs and 2 marks. If his entire DT career could be summed up in one game this would be it.

Ross Lyon what are you doing to us?!?!?! Where is he going to play?!?!?!

Straw – I love this guy due to his loose affiliation with my footy club (he played there as a kid).  Because of that he should be in your team!  Played the first half as a lock down defender then moved into the mids in the second.  Looks like much of the same rollercoaster as last year.  I’d say buyer beware.

Duffield

7 kicks, 4 handballs, 5 marks(44 DT pts)

DS – Looks like hes playing the “Jason Gram or Sam Fisher” role in Lyons Dockers. Played Half Back and it looked like they were trying to free either him or McPhee up in defence. Used his pace to provide run and carry and pushed up to around half forward when his team had possession. If it was his turn to be the free man then he often got involved when they “switched” sides coming out of defence. In the second half when Broughton went into the midfield he moved onto Mayne and played deeper.

Straw – DS spent a bit more time watching Duffman than I but from what I saw he was loose in the back half for a lot of the game.  Picked up quite a bit of ball and could be one worth watching in the NAB.  Could really take the step forward we all thought was coming last year.  We all know Ross likes his rebounding slutty defenders

Ballantyne

14 kicks, 9 handballs, 5 marks, 0 goals (75 DT pts)

DS – He’s an annoying little twerp, but bugger me if he isn’t going to be DT relevant this season! Played midfield the whole game starting in the centre square and followed the ball while also pushing inside the forward 50. His 1st half stats were 4 kicks, 6 handballs and 3 marks.

In the second half he switched with Mzungu and played on a wing, and while still being in the thick of it he tended to stay more defensive half and not push inside the forward 50 much. His 2nd half stats were 10 kicks, 3 handballs, 2 marks.

It pains me to say it but……Ballantyne is up and about in DT this year.

Straw – Again DS concentrated on Ballas’ game but it was hard not to see him as he was in everything.  He played in the guts or on the wing for the whole game.  Best on ground would be between him and Fyfe.  He has put one foot in my team after tonight!

Spurr

3 kicks, 3 handballs, 2 marks, 1 bone crunching tackle (25 DT pts)

Straw – A lot of chatter pre-season about this guy so far.  Mature age recruit + Fremantle’s mature age policy over the last couple of years = a big chance.  Got very little of the ball and played as a lockdown defender.  Not great for DT but as a rookie is still one to watch through the NAB.  With no current spot on the list he would most likely be a downgrade target.  I think there are a lot of obstacles in his way to getting a game, especially early.

DS – His size surprised me. For some reason I thought he’d have a bigger body.

Neale

10 kicks, 2 handballs, 3 marks (43 DT pts)

Straw – All I can say is WOW!  There have been a few rumours coming out that Ross Lyon rates this guy.  Spent the first half in the centre for the Purples along with Barlow and Fyfe.  Made way for Broughton in the second half and switched to the wing.  Moved around the ground well and got a bit of the ball.  Picked up his kicks all over the ground.  Used the ball well too.  Really got free when he was playing on the wing.  Little nuggetty build too, so size for AFL footy doesn’t look to be an issue.  Definitely one to watch for the rookie spots.

DS – Very impressive. Straw has now claimed him as, and I quote “My boy from waaaay back!” If he gets a game then jump on. Ball magnet who reminded me of Andrew Gaff, but hopefully without the vest.

Other Observations

Straw – The main points I took from the game were……Sandilands was dominant and looked fit.  He was rucking against a guy that was about 105.5cm (i.e. half Sandi’s height).  Can’t take much from his dominance but his fitness was good to see. Lachie Neale really floated my boat.  Interesting that Lyon had him in the midfield from the beginning.  I can really see this guy getting early games. Mzungu had a great game and could increase his average from last year.  Spent time on the wing and in midfield.  Zac Dawson was a lock for me until he was dominated by one of the WAFL fill-ins.  He’s still in there but I’m having second thoughts. We all know Fyfe is a jet and he looks like he’s going to kick on with last season’s form. The story of the night for me was Ballantyne.  It looks like he will not just be running through the mids a little but will play a major chunk of his game either there or on the wing.  I had only loosely considered him before tonight but now he is well and truly on my radar.

Barlow’s lack of impact on the game scared me.

DS – The whole team is noticeably thinner this season. Even players like McPhee and Pavlich have lost a lot of bulk.  Sandilands was utterly dominant but without any real competition. Mzungu played midfield and was best afield IMO. He would easily have racked up the most possessions (also scored a goal) and I wish we’d focused on him. The first thing I did when I got home was check if he was still Mid/Fwd, but alas he’s just a mid this season *shakes fist at Champion Data*. Mcphee spent a lot of time loose in defence, often got involved in “switching” the play and was often third man up in marking contests. Zach Clarke got a corky in the calf and was rested for last quarter. Suban played in defence. Docker fans have lots of mullets and bad tattoo’s. One girl even had a tat on her neck of the old school Docker logo……as I was leaving Subi after the game I had a strong desire to take a shower.

Purple: 8  2  50 White: 11  7  73

5

IBBOTSON Garrick

1

BALLANTYNE Hayden

7

FYFE Nathan

3

DAWSON Zac

10

LOWER Nick

4

PITT Jayden

11

SHERIDEN Tom

6

BROUGHTON Greg

17

CROZIER Hayden

8

SUBAN Nick

21

BARLOW Michael

9

McPHEE Adam

23

MAYNE Chris

13

MZUNGU Tendai

27

NEALE Lachie

15

CROWLEY Ryan

28

FAULKS Peter

22

ANTHONY Jack

30

CLARKE Zachary

25

MELLINGTON Josh

34

SPURR Lee

26

BRADLEY Kepler

35

SCHLOITHE Haiden

29

PAVLICH Matthew

37

JOHNSON Michael

31

SANDILANDS Aaron

39

MENEGOLA Sam

32

HILL Stephen

47

VAN BERLO Jay

40

DE BOER Matt

(CFC)

LEE Tom

41

DUFFIELD Paul

(EF)

TROPIANO Aiden

44

CRICHTON Jesse

(WP)

BLACK, Aaron

46

PEARCE Clancee

(SD)

LAMMIE Wes

(CFC)

BRADSHAW Jack

(WP)

BATTERHAM James

(SD)

BROAD, Nathan
(EF) CHALWELL Tyler

Submitted by DS.

67 Comments

  • RMT

    Green Ninja

    Backs: Goddard, Broughton, Grimes, T Armstrong, Lake, M Dea, M Clarke (Smedts, Wilkes)

    Mids: GAJ, Mitchell, Thompson, Watson, K Stevens, (Zorko, Sheil)

    Ruck: Sandi, Berger, (Big O, Giles)

    Forwards: Chapman, D Martin, Zaka, J Brown, Porp, A Saad, T Walsh (Treloar, Rowe)

    ? are Chapman > Buddy
    Armstrong & Dea > Delidio & Morris

    $33 left

  • Thanks Guys … very amusing (I’ve got a couple of expats playing U18’s for me and it is a constant source of amusement to me that they barrack for purple scourge) and informative write up, although I’ve got cold sweats about Barlow, hopefully it was just cobwebs. How did Faulks go?

  • Good stuff. Neale and Ballantyne are on my radar for NAB Cup + i could start with Fyfe now.
    How long did the match go for? Must of been shorter quarters? :)

    • Yeah it was a short game overall. the temperature hit around 40 degrees in Perth yesterday and would still have been around mid 30′;s when the game kicked off at 6pm.
      Each quarter had a 2-3min break in the middle with each section going about 10-12mins. The main halftime break would have been about 30mins.

  • beaut, thinking tice bout broughton now, got him in my second time, for me its still hepell, but i dont know, btw great article, really helped

  • Ive been considering neale & branden lee for a while, neale looks good so far. Hopefully lee gets a shot with the bombers injuries. Be interesting to see the dockets roles when they all have to make 1 team, with mundy, barlow, fyfe n co. Will balla still get as much mid time?

  • The information is great and this site provides heaps.
    Was looking at Nat Fyfe as an upgrade before round 11 due to his DPP status but I now need to rethink that plan or just target Chappy instead or do something else. Come on Round 1

  • Great article thanks for the info, not sure how to take it but when you said Zac Dawson was a lock for me! “I hope you were kidding” as a passionate Eagles supporter I’m also interested in the Fremantle Premiership section! Hilarious.

    • Yeah Straw was making a funny with that whole Dawson thing. He’s too good a DT player to even consider someone like him :-)

    • Sorry mate it was a poor joke. To have a dig at a DT crab like that was uncalled for. Dawson has never and will never be in my side.

  • Which Docker Combo?

    Barlow LBurger(2nd ruck) Roo

    Fyfe (FWD) Hmac and Watson/gibbs.

    P.S i’m $200 short with Fyfe Hmac and Murphy.

  • what about Morabito?

    • Mundy, Griffin, Morabito and a few others didnt play

      • Also MacPharlin, Grover, Walters, Michie, Forster, Silvagni and Sutcliffe

      • so whats the go with Morabito, appreciated that he was rested but any input as to why?

        Been a long rest for him, would have thought a hit and giggle type club hitout was a minimum requirement if he was going to play Rd 1 , let alone NAB cup.

        Neale looking the better option on the above information

  • If anyone is seriously considering dropping Barlow because of one intraclub match i would like to LOL in your face.

    • Not discounting him. Just more wary now that Lyon seems to feel he needs to be more accountable. It may take him time to get used to watching an opponent as well as getting the ball. I’m just going to be watching his NAB cup games a lot more closely now.

  • How was Hayden Crozier and Thomas Sheridan?

    Thanks a lot for the great article! If I could find out this info about Croz and Sheridan it’ll be awesome. Thanks

    • Sheridan played well down back. Not DT wise though. I was very impressed though. Crozier got a few kicks and 1 goal. He played forward. Crozier kicked a few up and under kicks into the forward line when he wasn’t under too much pressure. Made me think he’s not quite ready. Sheridan has a long line in front of him for the role he was playing.

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  • Dont quite understand who balla and broughton are going to push out of the midfield should they play there….?

    • Yeah, I agree. I think they’ll both play in the middle, but it won’t be on a full-time basis. Mundy, Barlow, Fyfe, Crowley, Hill and Mzungu would still make up the nucleus of their midfield I would think.

  • Brilliant report guys! Top effort! (Kudos to DS to have to bear watching a rival team for our benefit too!)

    May I ask any of you two to elaborate further regarding Suban? Have him in my team atm as a unique cheapy who may be a potential keeper?
    Dont mind him playing in defence, but surely it wasnt a small lockdown role? Did he seem to be a go to guy for that release kick out of the backline? (IIRC he had a decent kick on him?) Did he take much of the kickouts? Did he float further up the ground?

    If you guys didnt really notice him due to focusing on those players mentioned thats ok, Ill just watch NAB cup for myself (attending the Ess v WCE v Fre game, cant wait!) to see what his role and potential is..

    Cheers

  • I was at the game too, i’m a Hawks supporter, my partner is Freo! I’m interested to see how they go this season after a disappointing season last year.

    Was pritty much how i saw the game too, Fyfe is in great shape looks like he’s put on a bit of muscle, Pav is in the position he should be up forward but was a bit short on his kicking at goal from 50! Ballantyne got the ball a lot but will he have the skills under pressure of a real game! Wow, the heat must be getting to me cause i didn’t even relize Barlow was out there! Zac Dawson…. what can i say.. he was pathetic, lacked everything and yeah got beaten by a WAFL player, I can’t believe Lyon is a fan. Best thing Hawks ever did was to get rid of him! I hope Silvagni doesn’t loose his spot in the team because of him! Jack Anthony showed some promise but not worth a DT selection. So out of going to that game, Fyfe a definite, i had him last year and was Mr Reliable even in a loosing team.

  • Any news on how Tom Mitchell and Tommy Walsh went in the swans intra club game

  • hehe sounds like Docker fans are in for some fun with Dawson :D

    Would love to know how & what role Suban was playing? Reckon he is player that could play that Gwilt/Gilbert role Ross Lyon used at the Saints.

  • Farking great. This article along with the DT boys Hawks pod cast, which was F%$#ing epic, have made my day.

  • Along with the beer and sausage rolls I just cooked up.

  • Great write up guys, I’m very keen on Ballas more than Barlow, your write up has strengthened my opinion on that one. Thanks for mentioning Mzungu, I have thought of him as a real unique pick but there’s too many solid / proven players already in the mids. If he was a DPP I would have snatched him up! Loved the “shakes fist at VS” comment.

    Did Zac Clarke get a run at all and if so where was he playing?
    You mentioned Griffen wasn’t playing but did anyone rotate with big Sandi in the ruck.

    I’m pretty keen to see if Ross plays the other big guys, heck, he played Kozi because he likes having the extra big men up front and we all know Kozi is shit… We all know that both Griffen and Clarke can play when given the opportunity.

  • Did mundy play and how did he go??

  • as soon as you said Zac Dawson “was a lock” this article lost all credibility and i stopped reading.

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  • Im with you Kuruki and will not be swapping Barlow out or changing to Balla. Barlow is a premium keeper at more than a discount price. Barlow didnt have Sandi jamming the ball down his throat as he was on the other team and his run home last year wasnt too bad at all 110 117 88 87 (Round 20-23) But the big thing for me is it was an intra club trial match, a trail match for fu*k sake. Wait for the real stuff to start as Im sure they were just putting a few K’s into his legs as history shows the lad can play.

    • A whole 22 game AFL career of “can play”. Lets see him play a whole season of footy first. Far from convinced. Liam Anthony, Bradd Dalziell….?

  • pendles vs swan? possibly a pointless question, but i feel pendles will have a great year plus the fact that swan will drop in price almost guaranteed.

    thoughts?

  • Fair point :)
    I do believe a broken leg is a bit different than a recon or ongoing hamstring issues etc.
    I hope he is not just a bad luck player who gets all the unusual injuries.
    Good luck for 2012 Vishnu27 if you go without him.

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  • Ok I’ll try and answer a few questions, sorry if I miss some.
    Suban played around half back. He wasnt deep in defence but didnt look like theyre were trying to free him up much. He did get a couple of kicks while playing in the zone when they went to switch the ball. He looked fit and ready to go, but wasnt an impressive game DT wise. I can remember him taking one kick in.
    Zac Clarke played mostly deep forward but did have one spell on the ball when the WAFL player who did 98% of the ruck work for his team went off for an extended rest. Clarke didnt play the last quarter after being iced up due to a corky on his calf. Sandi rucked 100% for his team.
    Barlow was not at all impressive…..he was often the last player from the centre square to make it to the next contest/around the ground bouncedown. He worked very hard at stoppages to cover his man and put a body on him. He didnt get involved in the game much. He might be better for the run, and everyone will be watching him in the NAB Cup, but I stand by my comment that hes not as big a lock for my team than he is for others it seems. Just remember when you point to past stats to justify how much of a lock he is…..its now a different coach with different ideas, and Ross Lyon was the one who cut Barlow from St Kildas rookie list.

    • “Ross Lyon was the one who cut Barlow from St Kildas rookie list.”

      I think your last line is very interesting.

      • Yea very interesting considering Barlow WAS NEVER on the Saints rookie list….. He trained at Essendon, StKilda and another AFL club at stages in years leading upto being drafted but was never on our rookie list.

  • what about Duffield? he’s only 347k and could be a very good chance at averaging 87-92, is anyone putting him after reading this?
    I’ll be definitely watching closely in the NAB cup

    • I heard that Fluffield couldn’t train hard this preseason because he had to stay at home @#$%ing his own @#$% all day and then @#$@ing some other #$%^’s freaking @#$@!$%^.

      But seriously, I would be pissed if the bastard picked up with year after killing me last year.

  • Cheers fellas alot of time and effort gone into this, appreciate it.

  • Just an idea but is anyone considering having all 4 ruckman as rookies?

  • so what…. no spurr or no crozier? did they both not do much?

  • @feather…… nope – no-one is :)

  • New dillemma: Fyfe or Pav?

    • Pav will be playing mostly fwd this year, Fyfe will be playing mostly in the mid.wing areas.

      The decision is yours.

  • I really liked Viv Michie last year in the NAB cup and had him in until he was ruled out for the season (wasted fwd spot) but wanna know if he is a chance this year. obviously wasn’t playing so can anyone tell me what’s going on with him?

  • Id just like to point out that I claimed Lachie Neale before Straw….