Deck of Dream Team 2012: Jon Giles

Name: Jon Giles
Club: Greater Western Sydney
Position: Ruckman
Assistant Coach 2012 Price: $117,800
Bye Round: 11
2011 Average: –
2011 Games Played: –
Predicted Average: 67

Why should I pick him?

Because Giles is this year’s Zac Smith. Smith (arguably) led the Suns’ ruck division with the assistance of a veteran in Fraser. This year, Giles is set to do the same under the watchful eye of the aging Brogan.

Giles’ situation does vary slightly however. While a 21 year old Zmith debuted after spending just the one year on Gold Coast’s list, Giles languished on Port Adelaide’s list for 4 years before being delisted at the end of 2009. Giles is now 24 and finally ready to step up to AFL level, which must be a huge relief for him, given his journey and probably even despite the likelihood of losing almost every game in 2012.

So what can we expect from Giles this year? As with any player who has never played a game of league football in their life, it’s probably unfair to expect a whole lot; but if he’s anything like Zach last year, we should feel safe in selecting him as the 4th ruckman. Unlike Zmith, Giles is much more mature in terms of experience and body development. The reason Zach tapered off last year was reportedly tired legs due to his first full season’s training load– we shouldn’t see any of that with Giles, who has been in the system for years before leading the Giants ruck brigade last year in the NEAFL and then being awarded the inaugural GWS Best and Fairest.

All things considered, I think it’s reasonable to predict that Giles can play close to all 22 games and average around 70 over the course of the year. Even though he’ll be playing in thrashing after thrashing (and not on the good side), he’ll see plenty of TOG and will definitely get near the footy a heap given all the inevitable centre-square bounce-downs.

Why shouldn’t I pick him?

It’s a bit petty, but Giles had a small premium applied to him (due to being mature-aged), so maybe you would prefer to save $20-$30k and pick a basement-priced ruckman instead. Although, he is almost $30k cheaper than 2011 draftee Billy Longer; so it all really needs to be put into perspective.

Another important consideration is, once again, the byes. Cox, Leuenberger, Goldstein, Jacobs, and McIntosh are the other popular ruck options who shared the Round 11 bye, along with the aforementioned youngster Longer. You want to make sure you don’t have more than two ruckmen from any MBR, so make sure he fits your structure if you’ve already committed to others.

And there’s always the lingering thought that he may not actually be that good – it’s harsh, but he did spend all that time on Port’s list without getting a game. Maybe, like many before him, he is destined to be a star at State Level but a flop at AFL level?

Deck of DT Rating.

JACK – Put simply, what we need from our 4th ruckman is job security – and Giles has starting 21 written all over him. All he has to do is be available over the MBRs to justify his selection – appreciating into a decent cash-cow after that is a bonus! It’s a no-risk selection, and because of that I think Giles will be one of the most selected players in Dream Team this year. He’s a lock for me!

53 Comments

  • He is a lock for mine as 4th ruck. As TBetta puts it, what more do you want than JS and you would have to think that this guy has it, coupled with a bigger body and a smacking of talent.

    Once again TBetta great write up

  • Lock

  • As with most people, been locked in since day one. Good one Tbetta.

  • Quite simply a ‘must have’. Nice article tbetta

  • Thanks Tbetta. Agreed, a lock for me baring pre-season injury.

  • If he’s going to be 4th ruck, who will be your 3rd?

    All I can think of at the moment would be Longer and that seems like way too much money on your ruck bench.

    • Big Orren

      • But that still makes Giles your 3rd ruck.

        • Purely on a $$ basis. Your 3rd/4th ruck ‘order’ doesn’t really matter. I expect Orren (if he lines up) will average more then Giles – eventually he’ll be worth more as a result, just initially he’s valued less hence by default becomes 4th ruck.

        • That’s a bit finicky don’t you think? 3rd or 4th, doesn’t really matter.

  • He was behind Lade, Primus and Brogan while he was on Ports list for all those years.

    • agreed. That is the main reason he didn’t get a game, he was also a bit of a string bean then too.

  • He was my first pick as reserve ruckmen. I had him noted down from rookie draft in late 2010. He is at bargain basement price and he will GWS first pick ruckmen.

  • Locked & loaded and quite possible as R2 depending on preseason form.

  • I know a six year old who has chosen him as R4!

    I’m lying, buy you know what I mean.

    Give us some rook backs you bastards hahahahahah

    • Clever 6 year old…

      Sorry, no rookie backs in the Deck – all the draftees will get their time in the sun soon enough though, will be getting plenty of exposure over the nab cup once we get a better idea of their abilities and job security.

  • Great write up. Thanks.

    I’ve seen very few 2.1 teams without him so he’s definitely leveling the competition. I guess the differentiator will be how long to hold onto him.

    • Considering how few cash cows are ever available in the rucks, I’d say a lot of people will keep him all year.

      • -1 :)

      • I ‘upgraded’ Zmith to Sandi last year before Zac started pumping out 100’s and before Sandi’s turf toe.
        Needless to say my ruck department will be set and forget this year (including bench).

  • Believe it or not I actually haven’t locked him in as yet.
    He is 117k and I’m not sure if I would rather save 20-30k on getting someone like a Rowe, Witts or even Adam Pattinson (at 85k) instead of him. For me it is a really tough call and one I’m not ready to make until 5 minutes before lockout. In fact the only one of my four rucks that I have locked in is the Big O. Ruckmen are doing my head in this year, too many to choose from! :P

      • Good call Pieman. Makes my grumpy comment sound like I was swinging my handbag around.

        (tebetta has made me teambetta, so I best be thankful)

        I was thinking Rowe might be a lock on the FWD line because he could have better job security than all but a few FWD’s.

        I should really be meditating on how lucky we are to have another new team. Sure, GWS will dilute the talent, leach off the home of football, steal some of Victorias great sons and make them Sydney metrosexuals, but for DT, it’s the best.

        • ive seen a lot of love for pattison lately. he was hopeless at his previous 2 clubs and hawthorn have a few ruck options. are hawthorns other ruck options injured or something?

          • I don’t think people are selecting Pattinson because he will get games but more because it will give you more flexablity with Rowe. You could have Stephenson as your 3rd ruck and Pattinson as your 4th (with Rowe in your forwards). Then if needed Rowe can cover your forwards and your rucks as you could switch him with Pattinson. If Pattinson gets games then that is just a bonus but I don’t think it matters that much.

          • Doesnt really ad to much flexibility I reckon, with both Rowe and pattinson having the bye in rd 13

          • A Pattison/Rowe combination is unnecessarily risky considering how little you stand to gain from it. Stretching your emergencies by making Rowe available to cover your rucks and forwards, when Giles could cover your rucks just as well (probably better) for the sake of 30k? Considering Giles will make that back and much more, I don’t really see the point.

          • is anyone considering having rowe in the fwds and the trading out big O in his rd 12 bye for a fwd with a rd 11 bye?

    • I’m not liking the Pattinson selection. As someone mentioned, there is no real advantage in picking him in terms of the byes, as he and Rowe both miss in R13.

      I think it’s a much better idea to start with Rowe in your FWDs, then once Giles or Stephenson fatten up, trade one out and using DPP move Rowe into your Rucks and effectively upgrade to a premium forward with the one trade.

      • Yes! Perfect idea.

        I had a R/F last year as my R4 so that I could bring Petrie into the rucks if needed. It did save my ass on an occasion, but with the new DPP rules I think doing the same thing again would be stupid.

        Especially since the Big O and Giles are likely to be great cover/cowage

        I would love to see someone have the balls to have a GUN-Big O-Giles-Rowe. Especially if they were in my league hahahahah

    • For 20-30K id rather have the security of knowing he is going to play most games this year. Should anything happen to one of my premo rucks for a week or two, id rather not have to eat a 0 for the sake of 30k. Other then Giles and O, most of those cheaper options job security is pretty shaky.

  • Sorry to change the subject but just as important as our teams themselves, our shields
    do we get any new designs? Or is it the same old same old

    • never occurred to me but would be cool. i want some more options, moving logos or mascots that leap out of the shield. globes, wAnchors, magillas and crowns that do stuff

  • Rucks Cox, Gilles, Stephenson, Pattinson (For DPP I have Rowe in my forward line)

    • I was thinking about that same combo the other day.

    • Wouldn’t bother with Pattison. I’d say the Hawks have picked him up as insurance only. Giles is guaranteed s game and should score reletively well.

    • Dpp link is pretty worthless if the guy is not playing when u need it. That’s a very real possibility.

  • How about using a cheap cheap 4th ruckman & using the cash elsewhere?
    Is it because of the byes this hasn’t been considered?

  • Having seen Giles play first hand in NEAFL last year, he’s an absolute lock for me.
    He can run all day, he’s got a fighting spirit about him which his team mates respond to and he can go forward and take marks and kicks some good goals.
    Lock, lock, lock. No matter what his starting price is!

  • I think anyone who starts without Giles will be starting at a disadvantage. Even if Rowe and Orren do just as well, you’ll struggle to find enough forward rookies who’ll also outperform him to justify Rowe being in the rucks. The real question I guess is whether or not Giles is worth starting as your second ruckman?

    Either way, lock and load.

  • great right up tbetts. locked in for me. nuff said

  • Anyone thinking of stating Giles as emergency in round 1. If he scores above 80 then bang loop hole and play him as R2 for the round and going forward. This essentially lets you restructure rucks and pick up a premium in another position. If he scores shiat then run with r1 & r2 as planned.
    Just sayin

    • There are whispers saying that the loop-hole is closed this year – not sure whether it applies to just Captains or whether it covers substitutes as well…

    • In addition to that – if you start him as an emergency, you can’t change that. you cannot then change it and bring him into the starting 22. the only wayhis score could be used would be to have your R2 not playing. Would not be a good idea.