Crows / Demons / Power NAB Review

Our mate Dunny was on the ground reporting for DT TALK on all things Dream Team from the opening games of the NAB Cup at AAMI Stadium. If you are heading to any of the NAB matches, feel free to email in a report to warnie@dreamteamtalk.com

Thank God!  Footy’s Back!  Me and my mate Peto couldn’t wait for the season to start and to check out all the tasty rookies on offer at AAMI stadium with the Dee’s, Crows and Power running around.  The first thing we noticed was that no one liked the new rules.  The last touch free kick for out of bounds rule was terrible!  It should be abandoned immediately!!  Also the shortened games made it difficult for players to get into a rhythm and play their regular game.  Anyway enough of this, on to the important bit.  What did we learn about the players??  Well here are a few notes that we came up with on the Fantasy relevant players that were out there.

Melbourne

They started slow but really came into it after their first 5 mins out on the park.  They slipped under a few radars last year, but if they continue this form, they will be pushing for a top 6 finish.

Colin Sylvia – Warnies boy did not disappoint.  He was fantastic and should be a lock in any good team.  He was very clean out of the middle and that was where he spent the majority of his time.  Set up a lot of forward attacks only scored 39 in the second gamebut he really was starting to take over.

Jack Watts – This boy has really come along from being the guy who got the softest free kick as his first possession in footy to being a strong lead up forward.  The defenders really had trouble stopping him, he seems to have put on a bit of bulk and presented well and worked well on the ground.  He was the main target up forward and as a result should get plenty of looks at it.  If this form continues and at the price of $224,500 he could be a good option for you in the forward line.

Jack Grimes – Jack was playing the true quarterback role in the same way as our other DT favorite Luke Hodge.   He was taking all the kick ins, but importantly was playing on a lot from the kick in which means that kick isn’t a wasted stat and it counts for you!  At $340k he isn’t cheap but you will get good reward from him.

Brad Green – Brad was solid, he was mostly up forward but did go in the mid for some of the game.  He racked up a nice number of possessions and points and will still be a go to guy for the young Dees.

Jack Trengove – Jack was all over the midfield and without Tom Scully to take up the possessions he racked up some good points.  I am a bit worried about him being in his second year now, but if he can continue like this he will be worth the $316k.

Adelaide

The Crows played two very different teams on the night.  Against Melbourne the played a lot of youngsters and seemed to be experimenting quite a bit.  However, against the Power they were playing what my Crows supporting mate Peto thought was pretty close to their best side.

Shaun McKernan – This boy had two very good hit outs on the night.  He was a lead up target and was grabbing everything in his area!  Mr. Fantasy thinks he will be in the SANFL, I think he will play more games in the Crows than anywhere else.  At a lovely $97k watch his form for the rest of the NAB Cup and if he continues like this he will get a regular game as there were no other obvious targets up forward for the Crows.

Andy Otten – Andy will be in pretty much every Dream team.  There is a good reason for this, he is way underpriced and he played mostly in the midfield!  He did drift to half back and from that point he will be the setup guy who starts all of the attacks from the back.

Phil Davis – Phil had a good 2010 and was on a lot of teams, he was a bit missing against the Dees but against the Power he was very solid and was the link up guy across the backline which meant he got plenty of it.

Kurt Tippett – Kurt only played the second game but he looked all at sea.  He was easily covered by Carlisle and just couldn’t take a grab.  I was predicting him for a breakout year, but he really needs to get more of the ball and also learn to kick goals.  Keep an eye on him, he is cheap and should improve, but if he doesn’t I would be looking elsewhere because there wasn’t much improvement on last year’s form.

Richard Tambling – No.  That is pretty much it.  The Andrew McLeod role is pretty much his for the taking but he didn’t do enough for mine and if Craigy thinks he isn’t in the best 22, he didn’t do anything to dispel that thought.

Scott Thompson – Didn’t play the first game, but in the second game, he lit it up!  He racked up about 50 DT points and played really well.  With some of the other big names like Goodwin and Edwards gone from the midfield, the points are his for the taking.

Ian Callinan – I was really looking forward to seeing this guy.  He has been put in just about every team on the planet as everyone thinks he will get a game.  He is only $80k and has DPP as aFwd/Mid.  I just don’t know if he can bust into the best 22.  Also we need to remember that unless elevated from the Rookie List he won’t get a game at all!  Watch him over the pre season as I think he will get better.  He got caught out a couple of times with the speed of the game, but did look ok in patches.  He was certainly better against Port and that may go a bit of a way to getting him on the list.

Brodie Smith – Played on a wing so may get some time on the ball.  He was selected at 14 in the draft and looks a player.  He is $108k and certainly looks like he can play.  If he can continue with this form he may find his way into the team.

Port Adelaide

The Power were disappointing but they did have a large stack of first choice players out and tried a lot of youngsters… just what us DT’ers want!

Chad Cornes –Chad certainly looked like he was a reinvigorated player, he was running around like he did 2 or 3 years ago.  He spent the majority of time up forward and this could be a sign that he is going to settle back to a forward role.  He did this in the first game even though the regular CHB in Chaplin didn’t play.  I still think he is most likely to be used as the Sub given his versatility but keep an eye on him.

Jackson Trengove – I think that Jackson showed what we are likely to get from him, a backman who will swing onto the ball occasionally.  He looked good taking a couple of good grabs.  He is priced at $219k and has Def/Ruc eligibility.  He may be a good option as 3rd ruck but it is a lot of money to have on the bench.

Jarrad Redden – This guy is a popular pick as a 4th ruck and he is a mountain of a boy!  He is only 6cm shorter than Sandi but he is a huge 20kg lighter, if he can get that sorted he could be a guy of the future.  He moved ok but did struggle around the ground.  At the moment he is more a tap ruckman than anything else.  He will spend most of the year in the SANF unless there is an injury to Brogan or Trengove.  I think Zac Smith is a better option at the moment.

Matthew Broadbent – Broadbent is another that people are looking at and he spent a lot of his time on the ball.  He averaged 60 last year and I don’t think this will change.  There was a lot of Port’s midfield missing and I can’t see him pushing Boak, Salopek and Hartlett out of the Mids if they are all fit.

John Butcher – He was another guy I was keen to see.  He played in both games but didn’t do a great deal.  He needs to put on a bit of weight as he looked a bit thin to compete as a key forward.  As I mentioned in my team preview I think he will spend the first half of the year at the Port Magpies but may get his opportunities later in the year.  He is a definite downgrade target.

Kane Cornes – He only played the second game and scored 31 points and did everything that he would normally do.  He won’t get massive scores still but he will still be good for 95 a game.

Danyle Pearce – Danyle had a good second game but he wasn’t being tagged.  That is when he struggles so I want to see more of him in the preseason before I even look at him!  Don’t be fooled by the 51pts in that game against the Crows.

Most of the DT relevant Power players (other than Kornes) didn’t play so I would keep an eye on their NAB Challenge form.  This includes players like Boak, Salopek and (dare I mention him) R Gray.

Cheers all and if what I saw is a guide to the rest of the NAB cup I think my team will be changing with every game I watch!

42 Comments

  • Good read,

    Ottens a must, Slyvia is a kick in the face waiting to happen but I’m keen for it :)

    Grimes has he ever been fully fit? guys fitness is the only thing making him a possible no.

    Still, I enjoy a kick in the face so Slyvia / Grimes / Ottens LOCKED :)

  • great write up
    was looking forward to nab cup but the new systems make it harder to judge players
    i agree that sylvia looked good and im tempted to get him in in place of didak coz of his interrupted pre-season. thoughts?

  • Warnie! how bout symes?? yes, no will he play midfield?

    • Symes was ok, he did some nice stuff against the Power, but I still don’t think he is worth a spot in your team.

  • Love the website. How was Dangerfield?

    • Danger was good. He was his usual self. i think that he will continue on in last years form but I don’t expect a big increase in his points output.

      • yeah, considering he is primed for more midfield with “rests” forward, they have been doing work with him to be a little more of an outside player and he has improved his endurance id say he could improve a lot especially as he is one of the real leaders now …. I dont comment on players I havent got a clue about…. you should do the same

        • Well mate, that is what is good about all of this, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If you think he can improve a lot good on you, put him in your team and if it comes off then fantastic for you, I think he will continue on with a probable small increase in his DT numbers, but I don’t think he will jump significantly this year. Last night he had 49 and then 26 in the two “halves” so that is about what I expect his average to be, a nice 76. I think he is about a 75 – 80 average player and that is up on last years average of 67. He only had two scores over 85 last year and nothing over 100.
          I hope this helps you with your decisions. If he shows a bit more in the rest of the NAB cup I may change my opinion on him, but based on what I saw last night, I think his role is pretty similar to what we have seen over the past 12 months. Agreed that last night wasn’t a “real” game and that is why we need the rest of the NAB cup to really see what they have planned for their players for this year.

          • 75 in 80 mins of play isnt bad. A normal season game has around 120 mins of play! 1/3rd extra time & 1/3rd extra points gives danger a nice 100!

          • Hey Andyjh, that is a good point, and these games are just so different from a real game that we can’t take too much from the points scores and more from the attitude and game play. I reckon we will see more of what he is like in the remainder of the preseason.

            P.S. for some reason Andyjh’s post didn’t have a reply button so this may appear above his post.

          • I pay little attention to the first 2 rounds of the nab cup. Not only do you have shorter games, different rules but u also get blokes playing short spells and often against kids.

  • As most of you know I didn’t rate Otten as a DTer before dream team opened. But he is 30k-40k less then he was on fanplanner and he did impress me last night so he all of a sudden is a chance of making my side. Sylvia, Grimes and Callinan are locked in. Green is a chance as I am going for a league win and he impressed me in the first game and Brodie Smith is now locked in my back bench. Jurrah and Dangerfield are my smokies after last night.. I probably won’t pick them but what is everyones thoughts on them? Saying all that it was very hard to learn much dream team wise because of this new format so bring on the 2nd round! Can’t wait till tonight. GO PIES!!

    • I’m in the same boat, i didn’t understand the fuss about Andy Otten but after last night i was wrong, i clearly forgot how good he was before the knee, he just knew how to find the footy.

    • I agree with you there Pieman, I am not so sure on Jurrah. Just don’t know whether he will get a big bag of points each week.
      Still have the jury out on whether callinan will get a regular game. Craigy seemed to like him so he may get a chance from round 1, but I think he will come in maybe in a few rounds, could be good downgrade.

  • Great write up mate, we didn’t get the games on free to air over here, (wa) so good to get a bit of feedback.

  • Great review. Thanks. I didn’t get to see the game up here in Darwin so good to see otten, grimes watts and callinan doing well. All locked. I have removed greeny for now and replaced with franklin but will keep watching his preseason performances.

  • This has just thrown a massive spanner in my Green vs Sylvia debacle. Had locked Green in from the start but with Sylvia DPP and looking like hes tearing up the joint I just did the switch to him.

    DONT YOU DARE GET INJURED COLIN!

    • After last year you realize colin is a danger to himself… breaking his toe and whatever problems he has!
      however the DPP is too good to pass up

    • Does anyone know whether their are stats on how much time each player spent on the ground? In your Green Vs Sylvia debate I think you’ll find Green only played 15-20mins – I think Sylvia was on the ground much more. It is very hard to make comparisions between player performances when we don’t know how much time they are all spending on the ground. Anyone found these stats online?

  • Was any 1 else impressed by Brodie Martin who got 44 and 28 in each of the matches?

    • Yeah Brodi Martin was good. I think he is a big chance to be a regular. Next week might show us a bit more.

  • Thanks for the feedback guys. Some good prospects, but really need to see some “real” games to get some better indications on how they will go.

  • i know tom scully didnt play but ive got him in m side at the moment and i rekon he could end up averaging in the mid 90’s what are your thoughts

    • could well happen, but this is his second year (beware) and he might actually get a bit more attention from the opposition now. even if he does average mid 90s you wouldnt want a midfield keeper that is averaging much under 100.

  • Thanks for the write up! I tend to agree with pretty much all said. McKernan, if he keeps up that form should be a ble to get quite a few games playing a role similar to what Tippet did when he was busting out some better scores.
    Still not sure about Sylvia. Had him last year towards the end, but I’m always biting my nails when he’s in my side! Same with Dangerfield, although I think he can improve on last year’s average. Grimes looked good if he can stay injury free. Not sure that Callinan can keep a spot in the line up. What did people think of Pitterd from Port? His name has been thrown around, but I wasn’t overly impredded.
    This is all based on last night’s games of course. Pre-season form and positions can change a fair bit before season proper.

    • Thanks mate for the positive feedback!
      I agree that Sylvia worries me with his ability to injure himself. Danger is the same, he has no regard for his safety sometimes and whilst the real coaches love that, it can hurt a DT team. Pitterd from Port was ok, but I don’t think he has shown enough to get a full time spot in the lineup as yet. But anything can happen between now and the start of the season. If he shows a bit more I think he will get a game at somestage but I don’t think he will be there from round 1.

  • REAL SHAME Ben Jacobs copped gf, would have been a certain starter in a team that will struggle again!
    Not getting carried away with anyone yet, shit format, 1 really bad team……..meh.

  • Was at the game last night.
    Mckernan did look great. and as much as it pains me to say this so did Watts.
    beginner question, but why is travis tuck not available on DT?

    • Good question.
      1 of T.Tuck, N.Ahmat-watkins & P.Johnson will be given the final rookie spot on the Hawthorn list in March 2011, and neither of the 3 are available on DT.

  • Watching the replay now, Geez Sylvia is a gun & bloody tough!
    10 mins in, gets pushed in the back, into the shoulder of another Crow that hits him pretty much in the solar plexus, & then bounces back to his feet!

  • BBBBrodie Martin :

    >coach favorite
    >ball magnet
    >in the best 22
    >will be a star

    Just can’t seem to fit him in :(

  • Is it just me or do the crows have more potential cash cows than most (e.g. B Smith, A Otten, I Callinan etc)?

    Also, with the loss of club legends there’s a good opportunity for others to step up (Knights, Thompson, B Martin, Dangerfield).

    If they can maintain the Big Mo from last year there’s a fair chance they’ll be my most represented team!

  • McKernan was the big suprise stand out on the night. Maric from the Demons was also suprisingly good.
    Shaun absolutely clunked ever thing that came his way. New Bucket hands Lowe?? probably not haha
    He does have a really good size about him though. I didn’t really rate him last year but he looks like a new player… will def keep an eye on him leading into round one. Was nice to see a young Indiginous player back in the number 23! I think there hoping Petrenko will turn into the next Bunji McLeod but I doubt he will ever get to that level, still he’s a good little player.

    Would still stay clear of Pittard from Port. He has supposidly put on 10kgs but he still looks like a little boy out there! Not much good to come from Port except for maybe Trengrove. D Motlop was probably there best but I wouldn’t be buying him unless you like your blood pressure getting a good work out.

    I have always chosen to stay well clear of Sylvia, mainly because of injury concerns and I didn’t like his personality(not like that made him score bad)… but I am getting close to moving on haha Might buckle and locking him in yet.

    Grimes, Ottens and Knights are my locks from these teams.

  • Dugian got 5 touches already…not bad. Morton has kicked 2 goals

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