The Plus Four: Round 19

Posted by Warnie on 09/8/10 • Categorised as The +4

Heartbreak at the Warne Dawgs

The big qualifying final in our DT TALK League was between my Warne Dawgs and Vin’s Calvinator. We obviously talk too each other about DT way too much because at the end of the day, we only had 5 players different. It came down to the final game of the round. Calvin holding onto a 98 point lead with Ryan Hargrave to play… he needed 99 for the Warne Dawgs to get the week off. First quarter, 25 points – on track, third quarter, 36 – nice and last quarter a very tidy 29. Oh, sorry… I missed the 2nd quarter! FIVE-FRIGGEN-POINTS! Not good! So agonisingly went down by 3 points. I won’t be blaming Hargrave though… it’s going to be on Colin Sylvia. He gave away three free kicks, forgivable… but the amount of times he was tackled without getting a possession counted sucked. Take a leaf out of Dane Swan‘s book. Get it on the boot! I should have backed Swannie in as captain too. Damn! Went soft going with Leigh Montagna – copying Calvin.

Here’s how we looked this weekend… and what we’ve got ahead of us.

Oh but I scored more than everyone else…

…is what I am sure Chopper would be saying right now. He was unlucky to have missed the final 8 on percentage, but then smashes out a 2306 which would have won all but one game in our league finals. Nice scoring Chop! Good luck in the Tit-ed Cup!

Mad Monday

Mad Monday has started for a quarter of the competition now… after losing the Elimination Finals. Obviously you can keep playing for national ranking – and can try to score more overall than your eventual league winner (which I’ve done a few times before). Or you can starting thinking about DT 2011. We will have some news on how that will look soon… and also think about who your locks are already for next year! Robbie Gray anyone?!

Saturday Afternoon at Transport

It was great catching up with everyone on Saturday afternoon at Transport and then heading to the massive game! Was a ripper of a day! Looking forward to next time… nothing better than talking DT over a few beers!

Very short and sharp this week. What are the big issues for you?

945 Comments

The Riz
August 9, 2010 • 7:48 am

Hard luck Warney.

Into my first prelim, now just need to scout who who may be my precious final trade… I’m sure the General will play a role again very, very soon….
Brett
August 9, 2010 • 7:59 am

out in straight sets, bad luck warnie
Superted
August 9, 2010 • 8:24 am

Was very confident going into the last game about 50 points down but with Boyd and Gilbee to play against just Hargrave. WTF! Gilbee 41 his lowest score of the year and Boyd 82 his second lowest score of the year. Gilbee was 46 down on his avg and Boyd 35, then Hargrave busts out a 95, 19 above his average. Oh well at least I have the double chance and get the week off in my other league.
Shazzam
August 9, 2010 • 9:29 am

1st year DTer, 1 prelim final and top average thus far. Can’t wait for next year to right my inxperienced wrongs.

Bring it on. We there will be alot of stinking hot weekends on the couch suckin brewski’s infront of the cricket in the meantime.

Cricket Dreamteam anyone?
- PieMan
  August 9, 2010 • 9:44 am
  
  never heard of cricket dream team.
  hows it work?
  - Birdy
    August 9, 2010 • 10:30 am
    
    when does it start
- Shazzam
  August 10, 2010 • 11:03 am
  
  http://cricket.virtualsports.com.au/
  
  I know nothing about it. Can someone divulge?
Birdy
August 9, 2010 • 10:32 am

Who watched the Swannies Destroy the Hawkes!?!?! i thought watching Jetta Get His First Goal Was Absolutely Awesome! !
- Whippet
  August 9, 2010 • 11:23 am
  
  +1!
Farthers
August 9, 2010 • 10:37 am

Wondering if anyone has had a miraculous come from behind victory? I had mine this week. Had Higgins and balla out in the fwd line with 2 0′s against a full team. Gia comes and wins the game for me by 40 points. Swannie also didnt let me down as captain.
- Melmmer
  August 9, 2010 • 1:48 pm
  
  Came down to the last game for me, was 250 down having had Bartel stuff me up as captain and then Symes, Gia and Hargrave came to the rescue for me
  - bilbo
    August 9, 2010 • 8:25 pm
    
    I needed gia to outscore cooney by 55 points in the last game of the round, i thought he had it in the bag but gia What a legend !! 140 vs 77 won by 13
bad80shair
August 9, 2010 • 10:49 am

Was good to put away a few pints with you lads. See you next time you’re on the north island.
Teckst
August 9, 2010 • 10:52 am

Warney, looks like your in for a tough match up against Collingwood this week.. Could the Dog be out in straight sets?
orbs
August 9, 2010 • 11:50 am

We all know Dane Swan is the best DT’er of all time but honestly when are people going to come to the party and admit he is in the top 5 players in the AFL????

Yes im a mad collingwood supporter, but i am soooo f**king sick of hearing “But he doesnt hurt you when he gets it”, “He doesnt kick goals”, “He needs to prove himself against good teams” “blah blah blah”.

Firstly the guy might not have judds pace, but he definitely hurts opposition. He always moves the ball forward, takes a stronger grab than any other midfielder, kicks a goal almost every single game and against the 3 supposed best teams in the league (saints, cats, dogs) he will probably be in the votes in all 3 games.

It really upsets me that apart from in the DT world, he does not even get mentioned in the same breath as the other guys. I do take onboard though that he needs a big finals series but no doubt sheehan the f**kface will have him at about 40th behind daniel kerr!!!!!
- Jakey Cakes
  August 9, 2010 • 11:56 am
  
  ur right, hes a machine
  easily top 5, probs top 3
  that coming from a carlton supporter
  but bartels overhead is pretty decent for a midfielder as well
  but the f**ker is carrying an injury
- LaHug
  August 9, 2010 • 12:07 pm
  
  I hate Collingwood (no offence) but I reckon Swannie would be top 5 (or close to it). I don’t think he has the ability to get the ball on his own like Judd, and he’s probably not as good a user of the ball as Ablett (when he’s not playing shit). Maybe even his own team mate in Didak has a better all round skill set (but maybe not). But even if he’s not top 5 in all around footballing skill, just have a look at his consistency this year (aside from Dream Team). He is by far the leading disposal getter in the AFL this season, and more often than not he does something with it. Ablett has had some shockers, as has Judd, but Swan seems to play every game with the same intensity and I haven’t noticed a poor game this season. All this and I don’t even have him in my DT team. But yes, I would put him top 5 in the AFL, at least for this season.
- Spector
  August 9, 2010 • 1:25 pm
  
  Stats don’t always tell the complete story.
  
  Swan is a fantastic player. Very good team wise. Doesn’t really have any deficiencies… However, I think it’s some of the more intangible things that stops him from being considered in the top 5 of the league. Some examples of what I mean by this:
  
  - Judd’s capacity to break tackle(s) like no other player can and his breakaway pace. It is just so exciting to watch, does it with so much style.
  - Hodge’s courage game to game. Always putting his body on the line and inspiring his side. His leadership skills are actually apparent on the field and it is such a treat to watch.
  - Riewoldt’s ability to take really difficult marks and his running power are always on display. Often beats two opponents in a marking contest and can also be really courageous the way he runs back with the flight.
  
  If I pay money to go and watch a game of footy, these are the things I go to see. Swan racks it up but I don’t see anything special in what he does. He has no real athletic prowess, no booming kick or any defining feature – in fact I find most of his possessions are quite “dinky”, lots of chip kicks and short handpasses. If I go to see Coll play I prefer to watch Didak. He has a lot of flair and is more exciting to watch for me.
  
  Just like to reinforce that I’m not saying Swan is bad, I just think he lacks that special something that those star players seem to have as an attribute (that and he waddles like a duck). I don’t know how umpires judge players games to give them votes for Brownlow but he had a very very solid year last year and I think he only got something like 8 votes? Was a fave to win the Brownlow pretty sure… hopefully he polls a bit better this year.
  - orbs
    August 9, 2010 • 4:43 pm
    
    Definitely hear what your saying and for the most part agree. He does lack that “X” factor as you have mentioned for a lot of those other players but surely the ability to win 30+ possessions continually IS some kind of a X factor?
    
    He has got over 30 possessions in 14/19 games so far this season including a current run of 9 which in that nine included all this years best teams. Last year he collected over 30ps 16 out of 22 games.
    
    No other player in the competition (except for maybe ablett) has this ability. We marvel at rooeys endurance and marking and he is always without a doubt mentioned in the top 5 players but swans endurance is probably better than riewoldts and yeah he might not take as many marks, but he makes up for that in possessions.
    
    For my money it currently looks something like;
    1 – Ablett
    2 – Riewoldt
    3 – Judd
    4 – Swan
    5 – Franklin
    
    Then blokes like brown, boyd, hayes, chapman, scarlett round out the last few spots.
    - Spector
      August 9, 2010 • 5:37 pm
      
      Boyd, Watson, Rawlings all average 30 disposals a game. I wouldn’t rate them even in the top 20.
      
      Too much emphasis is placed on statistics these days. Go back 5-10 years and look at players like Michael Voss, Akermanis and then Ben Cousins, D Kerr, C Judd. These guys were giants of the game when their teams were up and going, but if you have a look at just straight up accumulation of the ball you’d be surprised to see some average numbers there.
      
      I would probably liken Dane Swan to someone like Robert Harvey from St Kilda. Harvs won a Brownlow I am pretty sure but he was never really recognized as a star player, just consistently good.
- Spotted Bacon
  August 9, 2010 • 4:23 pm
  
  Sure Swan’s top five, but i’m fine with coaches underrating him, they pay less attention to him and as a result and he gets more points
Jakey Cakes
August 9, 2010 • 12:00 pm

finally got myself into top 1000 overall
scored 2220 this week the highest in my league and straight through
whats better is the prelim opp is looking to be much worse than the other prelim

the dilemma is what to do with my final trade
im thinking about trading gumby to grundy as def/fwd dpp so i can swap him with henderson
but if i dont do it this week i think he will rise in price and i wont be able to get him

do u guys rthink i should bite the bullet and get him in for cover or just wait for an lti/2 week injury and just use the trade then?

btw my forward cover is gumby/jaensch so not good anymore
- GWillows
  August 9, 2010 • 12:25 pm
  
  grundy really?
  make better use of a trade
GWillows
August 9, 2010 • 12:35 pm

got 3 trades and 270k in bank. team was completed coupleof weeks ago and have sufficient bench cover in all positions. have to use the trades somehow so might aswell upgrade underperforming guns unless injury strikes.
Backs: Malceski, Waters, Harbrow to upgrade to Lake, Goddard, Kelly
Mids: Gibbs, Mitchell, bloody little ‘jimmy bartel u rat’ to Ablett or Hayes
Fwds: Rockliff to Franklin or Daisy Thomas

into the prelims in all leagues so i dont need to make trades this week although i would like to keep pushing up my overall ranking.
cheers
CoBs
August 9, 2010 • 1:06 pm

My current team:

Backs: Goddard, Hodge, Scotland, Enright, Malceski, Waters, Hunt (Kennelly, Smith)
Mids: Swan, Gablett, Montagna, Boyd, Bartel, Harvey (McNeil, Gysberts)
Ruck: Sandi, Cox (Warnock, Lobbe)
Fwds: Goodes, Didak, Gia, ROK, Pavlich, Brown, J-Pod (Watts, Gumby)

3 trades left, 60k in the bank. Won 1 from 3 of my Qualifying finals last week, both games this week vs teams that scored 200pts less.

Thoughts on trades? Could sell a defender (prob Kennelly) to upgrade a fwd, or sell Gumby and upgrade J-Pod/Watts. Or hold off til semi finals??
- H
  August 9, 2010 • 1:28 pm
  
  Downgrade Kennelly or Gumby and upgrade Hunt or Jpod to a premium i.e N. Riewoldt, chapman, etc. or in defence a brian lake, gilbert, duffield etc.
Melmmer
August 9, 2010 • 1:56 pm

What do people think of a final trade of Grimes -> Gilbert?

I have bench cover in every position as well and I really want to win my leagues this year
- dockerone
  August 9, 2010 • 6:10 pm
  
  Good trade! Gilbert has an easy run home and got back to some scoriing form on the weekend
Reecefm
August 9, 2010 • 2:16 pm

it came down to the melbourne vs richmond game in one of my leagues, as we both had gilbee in the last match,
jack watts needed to score less then 75, for me to win at 3rd qtr he was on 41 so i thought im home then he kicks a point, and kicks and marks non stop luckily richmond got it in the last minute away from him.
he only got 68 so i won by 6 pts against the team that knocked me out alst year so i knocked him out,
2043-2037

i lost my tough league to my mate from church whose ranked in the top 2k he got 2214 this week he has a outsanding team.

i only had 2043 i was on 2002 before the game but gilbees 41 pts let me down,

my bench cover for waters was merrett i decided to not trade him this week and spoke to him at the airport and said to kick it more and he got a 85!

and my other league i just won thanks to gilbees low score 2043-2004 (the other team got like 300 in the last game lol)
- GWillows
  August 9, 2010 • 2:59 pm
  
  cool story hansel
- SloppyJoe
  August 9, 2010 • 4:01 pm
  
  Lawl, you told us your score about 3 times – it doesn’t change between leagues you know.
  
  And I guess god likes your mate from church more – you should pray harder.
  - Reecefm
    August 9, 2010 • 6:10 pm
    
    thanks williows
    
    haha yeah sorry sloppy joei know it doesnt change,
    
    and yeah i missed the first 2 weeks away from church through sickness and the game so thats probably why haha:P.
Reecefm
August 9, 2010 • 2:18 pm

i was at the brisbane vs wce match as well, watching my favourite player kick the winning goal was so awesome, but during the game the crowd was cheering for dreamteam points lol
we were like kick it yes:P lol

cox was manning up on brown at some stages,

wce managed to get 24 free kicks to bris 12 so if you had a wce player on ur dreamteam you would be gettin a decent score.

strijk and smith have been handy pick ups 70s last week 80s this week.
:P
August 9, 2010 • 3:36 pm

What would you rather

7th, 8th and 9th Defenders like this Hunt, Maguire, Ladson
AND 7th, 8th and 9th Forward like this Steve Johnson/any other forward less than 390k, Fyfe and Playfair

OR

7th, 8th and 9th Defenders like this Kelly/Any defender less than 384k, Hunt, Ladson
AND 7th, 8th and 9th Forward like this L Davis, Fyfe and Playfair

So really its
Davis (as cover for fyfe) and Kelly/Other defender 384k
OR
Magure (as cover for hunt) and Stevey J/any other forward lessthan 390k
- Hook
  August 9, 2010 • 3:46 pm
  
  Tough one
  
  Kelly is consistant but Stevie can win you a match
  
  I would probably go Stevie J and keep maguire as cover for Hunt.
  
  I’d rather have Hunt and Stevie J on the field then Kelly and fyfe/davis
  - :P
    August 9, 2010 • 3:52 pm
    
    yeah thanks looks like im leaning towards that
Hook
August 9, 2010 • 3:48 pm

I’m trying to decide between trading in Brown and boyd or Roo and Bartel
- :P
  August 9, 2010 • 4:22 pm
  
  roo and bartell
  but will bartell get rested
- mini freo
  August 9, 2010 • 4:29 pm
  
  Roo and Bartel
DT Addict
August 9, 2010 • 4:23 pm

I am in elimination finals in all my leagues next week.

Have $110k in the bank and I am going to use my last trade. Which option do you think is better:

1. Renouf -> Sandilands

2. Martin -> Bartel

Both trades will give me an extra 30 points based on averages but I am leaning towards Bartel as he has potential to score a lot more than Sandy. Just worried about him getting rested.

Thoughts?
- mini freo
  August 9, 2010 • 4:28 pm
  
  Wasn’t Jimmy rested in round 18?
  - mini freo
    August 9, 2010 • 4:50 pm
    
    o yeah and btw Jimmy
- GWillows
  August 9, 2010 • 4:53 pm
  
  jimmy easily. better potential.
  both have been rested so they should be good. doubt sandi or jimmy actually had foot injuries…
  - Kevinf21
    August 9, 2010 • 7:05 pm
    
    jimmy and ablett have had a down year
Brappinalong
August 9, 2010 • 5:23 pm

Hey guys I need abit of advice … I have next week off, 2 trades left and 107k. My teams weakest two players is pods and hall up forward. I’m keen to go pods-brown and hall-harvey. What do you think??

I’m trigger happy to make these trades asap but I know I should wait until next friday for teams to come out…or should I roll the dice and make the trades while brown’s still only 295k etc.
- mini freo
  August 9, 2010 • 5:44 pm
  
  HOLD OFF on the trades what if browny tears his hammy. The DT gods are cruel
  - Brappinalong
    August 9, 2010 • 6:03 pm
    
    Yeah cheers mate I’m going to exercise some patience and wait till next week
Malovan
August 9, 2010 • 5:47 pm

Was lovely seeing you boys again on saturday, having a few beers and watching the Goodes V Franklin battle. The food was pretty good as well.

While Saturday night’s match didn’t go according to plan for me at least DT did. ‘Team Malovan’ got through all leagues with 2106 and is coming good at the right time. Thanks to Strijk for fixing my Beau Waters problem.

See you all again next time you’re in Melb.

Nick
mini freo
August 9, 2010 • 5:57 pm

Hille escapes with a reprmaned again.
- mini freo
  August 9, 2010 • 6:05 pm
  
  reprimand*
  - Kevinf21
    August 9, 2010 • 6:56 pm
    
    dammit traded him out for jolly wen he was injured
    hopefully jolly can smash him friday nite
dockerone
August 9, 2010 • 6:15 pm

For my last 2 trades I am going to go Pods to Chappy and then need to decide will I get better value from

1. Higgins to Buddy or

2. Cooney to Hayes/Montags/Ablett

Thoughts?
- thejamster
  August 9, 2010 • 6:24 pm
  
  i know this is early but this is a possible team next year
  
  Gibbs goddard kelly grimes drummond coad rookie
  Swan a swallow boyd dswallow rookie rookie
  Petrie sandilandsr zac smith
  Cyril riewoldt Sylvia Higgins rookie didak gray
  
  good?
thejamster
August 9, 2010 • 6:19 pm

i know this is early but this is a possible team next year

Gibbs goddard kelly grimes drummond coad rookie
Swan a swallow boyd dswallow rookie rookie
Petrie sandilandsr zac smith
Cyril riewoldt Sylvia Higgins rookie didak gray

good?
- Gambitt
  August 9, 2010 • 6:34 pm
  
  u reckon theyll make gibbs a defender next yr?
  - Kevinf21
    August 9, 2010 • 6:56 pm
    
    gibbs el b cheap as chippies in ’11
- Brappinalong
  August 9, 2010 • 6:37 pm
  
  I don’t get the swallow’s in your mid??
  - thejamster
    August 9, 2010 • 8:08 pm
    
    andrew is a gun and he has a brother who apparently is better
    - daniel
      August 9, 2010 • 9:52 pm
      
      haha love your work mate
      
      and yes david swallow is a gun, actually there are a heap of rookie guns at gc who will get a game.
      
      i reckon guys that will be good options will be
      
      backs – danny stanley, coad, mark lock (will most probably be dual position i would say)
      mids – swallow (definate), toy,
      rucks – Zac smith (definate)
      forwards – magin, matera
Kevinf21
August 9, 2010 • 6:48 pm

how long till shuey’s back
would love 2 have him as cover in the prelim
http://kevinf21.webs.com/
- Kevinf21
  August 9, 2010 • 6:54 pm
  
  sory 4get the website
  - Brappinalong
    August 9, 2010 • 7:17 pm
    
    Kevin, I looked at your website…WTF is it??
    - Kevinf21
      August 9, 2010 • 10:14 pm
      
      LOL just sum random shit i put on some weird design (just look at the title lmao xD)
  - gambler
    August 9, 2010 • 9:38 pm
    
    Scarey shit. I never thought people like that played dt :S
- mini freo
  August 9, 2010 • 9:40 pm
  
  He played well in the WAFL but not sure if he’ll be back
  - Kevinf21
    August 9, 2010 • 10:16 pm
    
    well they should get some games out of him
    nothing else to gain from this year except the wooden spoon
  - Kevinf21
    August 9, 2010 • 10:18 pm
    
    well they should get some games out of him
    nothing else to gain for the wooden spooners
Kevinf21
August 9, 2010 • 6:55 pm

gona save pods for the grannie

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